Colin Cowherd: Comparing Purdy's situation to Dak

[CWR]

ok, now you are arguing another topic.....I could do the exact same thing for the other teams and who they have to sign.
point was clear, we are not unique and no worse than anybody else.

and the argument is that Dak's contract is stopping us from being able to sign anybody else to make this team better (I mean wouldn't a DT be a nice addition or a nice saftey).
now his ability/inability another argument, but the contract is not the issue here.

and in regards to demands....he could have demanded 80M, doesn't mean jerry has to pay. its a negotiation. you ask high, they go low and if you can't meet in the middle you leave.
Jerry screwed himself, yet again for the 3rd time in Dak negotiations, with leaving himself ZERO qbs under contract for 2025, dragged it to the last hour, literally and then signed. He had all off season to make a decision and move forward, yet he didn't. I don't blame Dak, or his agent. if it was me, I would ask for as much as I could get. because 5M is not the difference between this team being successful or total failure. the GM is.

Yup, Philly has 350 million in void year money spent, yet they remain active in FA and rather than sitting idle last off season they made the team better. The results between approaches speak for themselves.

Jerry is cheap and afraid to risk going "all in" at the costs of a full rebuild down the road.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Just stop! We've seen Dak for many years and he just isn't that good against good teams. He's good front runner against bad teams but a little sticky coverage and he won't release the ball into tight windows over the middle. He holds the ball too long. Lacks arm strength and accuracy. Dak has shown nothing to lead me or many other people to believe he can get the job done.

well, is that your eye test? because facts and stats say otherwise.

not saying he is great. not at all. but you just described 29 other QBs. ok, maybe 28.

I think Dak does need help around him, like I said so do 29 other QBs. but most of what you said is just plain exageration.

and I don't think its just Dak. I think this team generally speaking. the culture of the team. just can't get it done. its more than Dak. you put Mahomes on this team and there are no superbowls. perhaps him willing his way to a championship game, but no superbowls.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

.....exactly. Then if/when you pay your QB you have to sacrifice other areas. You cant apportion the blame on the JAG, when the QB is failing (as he did this year.

Rookie Deals, not necessarily in yr1.

lesser QBs like goff, Hurts, love, etc.

none of them are elite. they all have strong organizations and strong teams around them. I posted that in fact philly, detroit have more allocated to their top 6 players, yet they are competitive and haven't sacrificied in the wrong areas.

you can not tell me 5-8M is the difference between a 14-2 team and the 7-9 cowboys.....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Whilst Dak is taking 17%+ of the CAP and playing the position the does, then he takes the corresponding responsibility. The biggest differences with Mahomes, is that as well as the Defense Dak also needs: protection of the O-Line, running game and receiving corp.

As for 'manipulating the Cap', of course we do.....how do you think we paid for that 2023 roster, we put it on the credit card?

and what we did in cap management is no different than 31 other teams. so we are not asking for credit card or magic. manage the cap. Philly has allocated 193M average to its top 6 players. they are 13-3. detroid has allocated 170M and they are 14-2....they gave out large contracts and managed the cap. yet cowboys are handicapped!!! why? because they are lying to everyone about their cap issues. they are not speaking to those who understand the cap, but average, fringe fans who are there for the experience and fun of it. not the die hard fans and not the NFL personnel who can see this BS from a mile away.

and what's the cap hit for Hurts? for Goff? for Love? for Herbert!?

come on now, this cap situation is not unique to cowboys.... how is SD able to build a top defense and hand out a 55M contract to herbert? how is philly have the 3rd best defense and hurts has a 52M contract, how did the packers build the 6th best defense and hand out a 55M to love. how is they are also able to protect those guys and you can't tell me their like Jackson able to just run anytime, anywhere. how is they are able to build an OL that makes them top 10s in rushing in the league!!! yet because of 5M a year cowboys are paralized to do anything!?

come on people. the cap is not the issue. is he worth it or not is another issue. the fact we don't spend in FA has nothing to do with Dak or CD contract. its a choice by joneses. they use it as an excuse, continuously harp on it and those who are biased fall for it head first.

btw, I am not defending dak. I am just saying, the cap is not the issue we are not a good team. the issues are deeper and go all the way tot he top.

 

[CWR]

and what we did in cap management is no different than 31 other teams. so we are not asking for credit card or magic. manage the cap. Philly has allocated 193M average to its top 6 players. they are 13-3. detroid has allocated 170M and they are 14-2....they gave out large contracts and managed the cap. yet cowboys are handicapped!!! why? because they are lying to everyone about their cap issues. they are not speaking to those who understand the cap, but average, fringe fans who are there for the experience and fun of it. not the die hard fans and not the NFL personnel who can see this BS from a mile away.

and what's the cap hit for Hurts? for Goff? for Love? for Herbert!?

come on now, this cap situation is not unique to cowboys.... how is SD able to build a top defense and hand out a 55M contract to herbert? how is philly have the 3rd best defense and hurts has a 52M contract, how did the packers build the 6th best defense and hand out a 55M to love. how is they are also able to protect those guys and you can't tell me their like Jackson able to just run anytime, anywhere. how is they are able to build an OL that makes them top 10s in rushing in the league!!! yet because of 5M a year cowboys are paralized to do anything!?

come on people. the cap is not the issue. is he worth it or not is another issue. the fact we don't spend in FA has nothing to do with Dak or CD contract. its a choice by joneses. they use it as an excuse, continuously harp on it and those who are biased fall for it head first.

btw, I am not defending dak. I am just saying, the cap is not the issue we are not a good team. the issues are deeper and go all the way tot he top.

I'm so sick of them using cap as an excuse. They think we're dumb.

 

[Hadenough]

well, is that your eye test? because facts and stats say otherwise.

not saying he is great. not at all. but you just described 29 other QBs. ok, maybe 28.

I think Dak does need help around him, like I said so do 29 other QBs. but most of what you said is just plain exageration.

and I don't think its just Dak. I think this team generally speaking. the culture of the team. just can't get it done. its more than Dak. you put Mahomes on this team and there are no superbowls. perhaps him willing his way to a championship game, but no superbowls.

The problem is your talking about Dak the QB that throttles the Giants and Commanders. I'm talking about Dak the QB that struggles bad against GB, SF, Buffalo, KC, Denver, AZ, Rams, Saints, Ravens. He is a tale of two QBs. As far as could Mahomes lead this team to a SB. The chances are really good. Put Dak on KC and it's just like when they had Alex Smith. One and done.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The problem is your talking about Dak the QB that throttles the Giants and Commanders. I'm talking about Dak the QB that struggles bad against GB, SF, Buffalo, KC, Denver, AZ, Rams, Saints, Ravens. He is a tale of two QBs. As far as could Mahomes lead this team to a SB. The chances are really good. Put Dak on KC and it's just like when they had Alex Smith. One and done.

so now the argument has shifted.

the original argument was about contracts. my point is the contract is not paralyzing dallas in making moves to make this team better as Joneses are claiming. that argument is moot.

now, can he lead the team, can he beat better teams, etc. whole other arguments that have been hashed, rehased and triple rehashed. I am not going to get into that....

 

[CowboyoWales]

lesser QBs like goff, Hurts, love, etc.

none of them are elite. they all have strong organizations and strong teams around them. I posted that in fact philly, detroit have more allocated to their top 6 players, yet they are competitive and haven't sacrificied in the wrong areas.

you can not tell me 5-8M is the difference between a 14-2 team and the 7-9 cowboy

....like on a QB that needs everything.

Havent those three all achieved more than Dak (and 2023, we had a better roster that thd three of them). The difference with Goff, Hurts, Love, is that whilst all have weaknesses, they also have a USP around which the OC can plan....with Dak he needs EVERYTHING to enhance his game (especially, but not exclusively a lead).

it's not Dak we hate, its just he's just never doing it with a high CAP%, eg 2024. 2023 was his opportunity. Jerry paid him expecting an improvement....Jerry's a fool

 

[CowboyoWales]

The problem is your talking about Dak the QB that throttles the Giants and Commanders. I'm talking about Dak the QB that struggles bad against GB, SF, Buffalo, KC, Denver, AZ, Rams, Saints, Ravens. He is a tale of two QBs. As far as could Mahomes lead this team to a SB. The chances are really good. Put Dak on KC and it's just like when they had Alex Smith. One and done.

Yep, it's not just the Defense that Mahomes has, it's that ability to never know when he's beaten.
Teams look to the stars in times of pressure.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I disagree! As far as teammates go I think giving Dak that massive contract has torn up the locker room. Every player on the team sees Dak choking and not one of these guys goes over to him on the sidelines. Coaches don't even go over with a tablet because they know when he gets the deer in the headlights look he's done.

Trust me them guys don’t care lol. They get their *** beat in an and celebrate in the club afterwards. You’re projecting your own feelings on them.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We gotta stop comparing Dak to QBs who actually play in championship games and super bowls.

What championship game Romo play in?

 

[5Stars]

What championship game Romo play in?

Romo - deflection. Caution, the rabbit hole, gaslight expert is on the loose.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

....like on a QB that needs everything.

Havent those three all achieved more than Dak (and 2023, we had a better roster that thd three of them). The difference with Goff, Hurts, Love, is that whilst all have weaknesses, they also have a USP around which the OC can plan....with Dak he needs EVERYTHING to enhance his game (especially, but not exclusively a lead).

it's not Dak we hate, its just he's just never doing it with a high CAP%, eg 2024. 2023 was his opportunity. Jerry paid him expecting an improvement....Jerry's a fool

the fact is they have had some resources available to them.. one can argue if Philly has had a better roster than the cowboys. certainly better OL and running game.
go ahead and make the argument Dak is not as good as them, but again, the point of the post was about Cap and becoming paralyzed because of a single contract which is only about 5M above those you mentioned. everyone says the contract for CD and Dak have paralyzed the cowboys.
its far from the truth. its a lie peddled by joneses.

now, there are another 183,243 threads for the argument you have done above. no need to hash, rehash, double rehash, triple rehash....and on and on and on.
unfortunately Dak is here for another 3 years. will joneses do anything to improve the roster? or are you just going to complain incessently to try and prove a point, which I am not sure what it is and why. what is to accomplish.

again, the cap% is not an issue that jerry and stephen make it to be. imagine having Barkley or Henry on this team.
imagine if the idiot GM didn't think we can replace two veterans on the OL with two rookies and have continuity.
imagine him refusing to just sign a decent DT or a real saftey.

Jerry is not a fool. he is a lying GM, whose only interest is to make more profits. he is accomplishing exactly what he wants.

 

[FanofJerry]

the fact is they have had some resources available to them.. one can argue if Philly has had a better roster than the cowboys. certainly better OL and running game.
go ahead and make the argument Dak is not as good as them, but again, the point of the post was about Cap and becoming paralyzed because of a single contract which is only about 5M above those you mentioned. everyone says the contract for CD and Dak have paralyzed the cowboys.
its far from the truth. its a lie peddled by joneses.

now, there are another 183,243 threads for the argument you have done above. no need to hash, rehash, double rehash, triple rehash....and on and on and on.
unfortunately Dak is here for another 3 years. will joneses do anything to improve the roster? or are you just going to complain incessently to try and prove a point, which I am not sure what it is and why. what is to accomplish.

again, the cap% is not an issue that jerry and stephen make it to be. imagine having Barkley or Henry on this team.
imagine if the idiot GM didn't think we can replace two veterans on the OL with two rookies and have continuity.
imagine him refusing to just sign a decent DT or a real saftey.

Jerry is not a fool. he is a lying GM, whose only interest is to make more profits. he is accomplishing exactly what he wants.

Football is over.

Money ruined it.

The highlighted sentence only means more Capitalists will see what Jerry is doing, coral an investment group, scoop up a ball club and put MINIMAL investment into the asset.

Its downhill from here. Team will be bought and the clubs brain-trust will be run as cheaply as possible.

There will be nay-sayers that rush in to attack my position, but if the League has no rules preventing what Jerry is doing...numbers people will see owning a ball club as a casino...easy money.

The product as a hole should diminish

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Football is over.

Money ruined it.

The highlighted sentence only means more Capitalists will see what Jerry is doing, coral an investment group, scoop up a ball club and put MINIMAL investment into the asset.

Its downhill from here. Team will be bought and the clubs brain-trust will be run as cheaply as possible.

There will be nay-sayers that rush in to attack my position, but if the League has no rules preventing what Jerry is doing...numbers people will see owning a ball club as a casino...easy money.

The product as a hole should diminish

well, its about the owner and his goals.

what is jerry doing? he had 3 12-5 seasons. yes he lost in the playoffs, but three years in the playoffs. he will point to injuries this year as the cause. likely excuse.
he is spending above league cap floor requirements. there is no rule that says you have to layout a lot of cash.

he is expanding the pie for the league, which everyone benefits.

football is not over. football for cowboys and potential of championship doesn't exist until Jerry & Stephen jones are gone or sell the team.

football still is king of sports popularity. newer fans, casual fans. fringe fans see it as great entertainment.

 

[FanofJerry]

well, its about the owner and his goals.

what is jerry doing? he had 3 12-5 seasons. yes he lost in the playoffs, but three years in the playoffs. he will point to injuries this year as the cause. likely excuse.
he is spending above league cap floor requirements. there is no rule that says you have to layout a lot of cash.

he is expanding the pie for the league, which everyone benefits.

football is not over. football for cowboys and potential of championship doesn't exist until Jerry & Stephen jones are gone or sell the team.

football still is king of sports popularity. newer fans, casual fans. fringe fans see it as great entertainment.

I cant prove anything, Im just joining in the conversation about Jerry and his ways, that has been critiqued over and over and over on this board...

Many posts that suggest Jerry is using "hang around the rim" as a way to make steady money. That Jerry will not do full tanks because of money. Basically Jerry wants stability for money reasons. He wont cut a stable QB to go hunt for Brady, because that could be 3 or 4 years of massive hits to his bottomline.

Yes...hanging around the rim means you are capable of putting out a product that keeps fans interested every year, some years better than others obviously.
I feel like I am getting long-winded trying to explain...I think the best way to describe it is that Jerry wants to win his way which many posts suggest is very counter to the way other clubs are managing football operations. Jerry is trying to MAKE MONEY AND WIN, other clubs are more football focused.

Jerry has made everyone money, no doubt. I just dont see how a casino-like asset wouldnt be hawked by numbers people that want to do exactly what Jerry is doing. I dont know how the League screens investor groups looking to purchase and what the barriers of entry are.

Jerry is not forced to spend on robust coaching/scouting staffs...and numbers people see that has a way to cut costs from bottom line....which, i assume would diminish the product a bit.

 

[CowboyoWales]

the fact is they have had some resources available to them.. one can argue if Philly has had a better roster than the cowboys. certainly better OL and running game.
go ahead and make the argument Dak is not as good as them, but again, the point of the post was about Cap and becoming paralyzed because of a single contract which is only about 5M above those you mentioned. everyone says the contract for CD and Dak have paralyzed the cowboys.
its far from the truth. its a lie peddled by joneses.

now, there are another 183,243 threads for the argument you have done above. no need to hash, rehash, double rehash, triple rehash....and on and on and on.
unfortunately Dak is here for another 3 years.

No, Dak is probably as good/better than Goff,Love,Hurts.....but as I stated previously, you can plan around their weaknesses. As a whole Dak is average (or +) across the board, but with that panic button when chasing a lead he needs EVERYTHING to go his way.
Yep, he's here for 3 (though an argument could be made gor 2 with a post June cut)....but the question is, if we/ he couldn't manage it in 2023, how do we build a comparative roster (with less Cap%) in the next two years. From where we are now, and presumably Dak's mobility (and 2024 form) will require even more protection, there's an argument to say we won't get to any Championship game any time soon, so don't throw CAP away on a forlorn hope .... THAT'S TANTAMOUNT TO SUPPORTING JERRY's RELEVANCY STRATEGY. Use 2025 to see what we have (and that includes Dak).

 

[Johannes44]

Dak is probably as good/better than Goff,Love,Hurts

Where exactly is the proof of this?

 

[CowboyoWales]

Where exactly is the proof of this?

It's all subjective. Similar to the Dak v Romo argument at the end of day it's pretty irrelevant 'who's best' it's whether the coaching staff and FO can build around the QB's strengths/weaknesses.
As for the OP, I'm firmly in the camp that if you don't have a QB that stands out and can carry a team you're better off with a lesser or rookie QB whom you can support with a better roster. The difference between Dak (now) and Purdy, is that Dak has 4 years (+ the 40m deferment) and that he's not (unless there's a miracle) get another extension..... whereas Purdy will at least conceivably have another contract into which the 9ers can deferment this contract.

It's the CAP% argument for the SB competing QB's....I think Mahomes, last year, was the only QB with a CAP hit over 15% to win a SB. Only him, Brady and Manning got over 11% (I think).

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I cant prove anything, Im just joining in the conversation about Jerry and his ways, that has been critiqued over and over and over on this board...

Many posts that suggest Jerry is using "hang around the rim" as a way to make steady money. That Jerry will not do full tanks because of money. Basically Jerry wants stability for money reasons. He wont cut a stable QB to go hunt for Brady, because that could be 3 or 4 years of massive hits to his bottomline.

Yes...hanging around the rim means you are capable of putting out a product that keeps fans interested every year, some years better than others obviously.
I feel like I am getting long-winded trying to explain...I think the best way to describe it is that Jerry wants to win his way which many posts suggest is very counter to the way other clubs are managing football operations. Jerry is trying to MAKE MONEY AND WIN, other clubs are more football focused.

Jerry has made everyone money, no doubt. I just dont see how a casino-like asset wouldnt be hawked by numbers people that want to do exactly what Jerry is doing. I dont know how the League screens investor groups looking to purchase and what the barriers of entry are.

Jerry is not forced to spend on robust coaching/scouting staffs...and numbers people see that has a way to cut costs from bottom line....which, i assume would diminish the product a bit.

pretty much summarizes Jerry and Dallas cowboys. awsome job