College football vs the NFL

[03EBZ06]

You do understand that if there were an 8 team playoff for example, USC would probably be in it, don't you?

But if there is only 4 team playoff, then USC would be excluded. I wouldn't mind 4-team playoff but I think 8-team playoff is bit much and would allow teams that has no business winning NC into the picture, imo.

They had some injuries earlier in the year, and are playing better now. Are you telling me you wouldn't like to see them settle it on the field, and have a chance at the title?

Sure I do, but injury or not, USC should not have lost to Stanford, period and I don't believe they deserve shot at NC with that loss, just like Michigan shouldn't have a shot at NC after their season opener debacle, even if they were 9-2 or 10-2.

 

[dbair1967]

So you don't like college football, who cares? Don't watch it. But before you go and make some claim the NFL is in the process of burying the NCAA, try coming up with some proof positive, instead of some childish make believe rhetoric.

lets compare the TV ratings for the NFL postseason to the bowl games then

also, because there are too many bowl games you end up with stadiums that dont even fill half the seats for alot of the games...each year the match ups get less and less compelling, and this years bowl schedule could easily be the worst ever

David

 

[WV Cowboy]

I've never really felt the need to choose between the NFL and College football, .. I love'em both!

And between the Mountaineers and the Cowboys this has been a really enjoyable season!

So I'm not choosing now, but for some in this thread to say that College football isn't as good a product as the NFL is confusing.

How can you say that the NFL is such a great product when 19 out of 32 teams have a losing record, and one team is 0-10.

This weekend in the NFL I saw a QB fumble in his own EZ in OT in one game, and another QB fumble the center snap on 4th down inside the one yard line with the game on the line. Are you kidding me?

These guys are supposed to be the cream of the crop, making millions of $$$, .. and you can't handle a center snap???

It frustrated me and it wasn't even my team, and I shouted at the TV, "that's why you are 2-9"!

I expect a much better product from grown men, who are the top football players in the world, who practice much more, and have better coaches, .. over 19-21 yr old kids who play because they love it, while they have to go to class and balance everything else in their college life.

Like I said, I don't feel the need to choose, but to say the NFL is a much better product is a stretch.

 

[dogunwo]

USC would beat Kansas by 30pts or more

David

negative

 

[peplaw06]

But if there is only 4 team playoff, then USC would be excluded. I wouldn't mind 4-team playoff but I think 8-team playoff is bit much and would allow teams that has no business winning NC into the picture, imo.

There are over 100 FBS teams, how can you tell for sure that the top 8 have no business winning the NC?

The NFL puts 12 teams in out of 32. And a 6 seed has won before. Did they have no business winning the Super Bowl? Sure seemed like it on the field...

I think LSU is probably the best team in the country. Right now they are #5 in the BCS.... outside the Top 4, but definitely they have "some business" in playing for the NC. They've lost two games in 3 OTs. I guarantee you they're better than West Virginia.

Sure I do, but injury or not, USC should not have lost to Stanford, period and I don't believe they deserve shot at NC with that loss, just like Michigan shouldn't have a shot at NC after their season opener debacle, even if they were 9-2 or 10-2.

When you're playing good teams week in and week out, it becomes very hard to get up for the perceived lesser teams. I'm not making excuses for USC and Michigan either.

But it's pretty much the same for every team. Ohio State lost to Illinois, LSU to Arkansas, Texas to Kansas State and A&M, OU to Colorado and TX Tech, Florida to Auburn, etc. etc.

That's why the BCS favors teams who schedule cupcakes, because when the top teams do get upset, they fall so far they lose all hope. So why not just schedule Directional Dakota U??

 

[CATCH17]

So you don't like college football, who cares? Don't watch it. But before you go and make some claim the NFL is in the process of burying the NCAA, try coming up with some proof positive, instead of some childish make believe rhetoric.

Thats the thing. I love College football. I just hate what it has become and as a fan I dont accept it just because its football.

It has way to many holes that are extremely easy to fix but there are to many money grubbers that refuse to let it happen.

I think entire product of the NFL kills College Football as of right now.

 

[CATCH17]

But if there is only 4 team playoff, then USC would be excluded. I wouldn't mind 4-team playoff but I think 8-team playoff is bit much and would allow teams that has no business winning NC into the picture, imo.


Sure I do, but injury or not, USC should not have lost to Stanford, period and I don't believe they deserve shot at NC with that loss, just like Michigan shouldn't have a shot at NC after their season opener debacle, even if they were 9-2 or 10-2.

Great post and I agree with everything you said.

I could live with an 8 team playoff but 4 team is definetely the way to go.

That way all the big shots still get all there money and all they have to do is add a game.

Who is a computer and a sports writer to tell me an undefeated Auburn isnt better than an undefeated Oklahoma? ya know?

 

[YosemiteSam]

College football sucks and here is why.

1. Competition levels suck. All the talent go to a couple of schools and then we see 70-0 blowouts. Woohoo fun! This is the first year that I can remember when so many of the top schools in the BCS actually lost games.
2. There is no playoff system to crown a true Champion every year.
3. Way to many teams to keep up with. So many times, two teams that you would like to see square off, won't EVER unless the stars (BCS) align! (Think NFL this year with Pats/Dal, Pats/Colts, Pats/Pit, and Dal/GB during the regular season)

I prefer a limited number of teams that way at least at some point all the teams can play each other. When the competition level is closer, its more fun to watch.

 

[YosemiteSam]

But if there is only 4 team playoff, then USC would be excluded. I wouldn't mind 4-team playoff but I think 8-team playoff is bit much and would allow teams that has no business winning NC into the picture, imo.

I call BS. The Giants made it into the playoffs at 8-8 and they deserved to be there because everyone else sucked. Once in the playoffs, you have to win out to win it all. Those that do not deserve; will not make it.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I think LSU is probably the best team in the country. Right now they are #5 in the BCS.... outside the Top 4, but definitely they have "some business" in playing for the NC. They've lost two games in 3 OTs. I guarantee you they're better than West Virginia.

That sounds like the chatter coming from SEC Champ Georgia before WVU beat them in the Sugar Bowl year before last.

Maybe LSU should not have lost to a 8-4 Arkansas or 7-5 Kentucky if they wanted a shot at the national title game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=3126269

 

[CATCH17]

That sounds like the chatter coming from SEC Champ Georgia before WVU beat them in the Sugar Bowl year before last.

Maybe LSU should not have lost to a 8-4 Arkansas or 7-5 Kentucky if they wanted a shot at the national title game.

You didn't get the memo? If a computer and a sports writer happen to think your not good enough then it must be true.

Why even play the game? These computers and sports writers know all!

One of my favorite arguements in college football is the "well so & so beat so & so, and so and so beat that team.

People tend to throw out the fact that some games unfold differently.

I dont think if Texas beats Iowa State 60-0 and OU beats Iowa State 23-17 that it necesarily makes Texas the better team. (just an example)

College football is stupid. I love it because its football, but I dont accept it.

 

[03EBZ06]

There are over 100 FBS teams, how can you tell for sure that the top 8 have no business winning the NC?

I call BS. The Giants made it into the playoffs at 8-8 and they deserved to be there because everyone else sucked. Once in the playoffs, you have to win out to win it all. Those that do not deserve; will not make it.

Well, with those logics, where are you going to draw the line at?

Why stop at 8-team playoff? Why not 16 team, or 24 team? There are many 9-2 through 8-3 teams who probably feels they should be in the playoffs. Regardless how many team playoff system is implemented, there is always some team who feels they deserve to be in the playoffs.

I think 4-team playoff is pretty reasonably, it really doesn't extend the season and rarely do you see more than 4 teams go undefeated. But again, when you put a limit number of teams for the playoffs, some team will get left out.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Play the bowl games, and then one more a week later.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Well, with those logics, where are you going to draw the line at?

Why stop at 8-team playoff? Why not 16 team, or 24 team? There are many 9-2 through 8-3 teams who probably feels they should be in the playoffs. Regardless how many team playoff system is implemented, there is always some team who feels they deserve to be in the playoffs.

I think 4-team playoff is pretty reasonably, it really doesn't extend the season and rarely do you see more than 4 teams go undefeated. But again, when you put a limit number of teams for the playoffs, some team will get left out.

Well, as long as there is an even amount of conferences/divisions (depending on how it's broken down), thats all that should matter. Personally, I think wildcards are crap, but they can help keep even amounts of games played between the two. In the NCAA there are 12 conferences, the champion of each conference should be in the playoffs and wildcard teams to even out the games played.

 

[CATCH17]

Well, as long as there is an even amount of conferences/divisions (depending on how it's broken down), thats all that should matter. Personally, I think wildcards are crap, but they can help keep even amounts of games played between the two. In the NCAA there are 12 conferences, the champion of each conference should be in the playoffs and wildcard teams to even out the games played.

16 team playoff would seem like a long time for college football players.

If you did that I think you would have to have every team play a 10 game schedule which wouldnt be bad considering most teams play crapola state their first 3 games anyways.

Personally I like the plus 1. I think its the easiest way to go. This year though its hard to argue not needing more than 4 teams. 8 teams maybe.

For the most part though I think it should be a plus 1.

That would leave SC and LSU out this year but thats how the cookie crumbles I guess.

 

[NickZepp]

I think 16 teams is too many for college football and there's not usually 16 teams good enough to win it all. 12 or 8 would be the limit for me.