Commanders allegedly close to complete coaching overhaul - hire Fassel *Merge*

[CalCBFan]

If these rumors are really true, I think the Commanders are going to go through a MAJOR rehaul, setting them back at least 5 years.

Everyone on this team loved gregg williams, and when he leaves, these people are going to be pissed. I will not be suprised when a lot of people are going to ask out of D.C.

Right now we have no where near the personel needed for a 3-4, but I would imagine he will start trying to bring people in.

But who knows, I think everyone in D.C. is just in absolute shock right now.

Snyder is a little young for Alzheimers, but to dismantle the 'Skins coaching staff certainly smacks of some sort of senility or dementia. They were playing fantastically at the end of the year, and I really thought they could make the SB. They had a who's-who of coaches on staff: Saunders, Bugle and Mike White too, I think. I don't get this at all.

I'm starting to wonder if Gibbs was fired or asked to retire...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

looking more and more likely, I read today in our area newspaper, which steals stuff from the Washington Post, that Jim Fassel, or my favorite term, Jim Facial, thanks BigDFan5, conducted his 3rd interview w/ the team on Monday

 

[Skinsmaniac]

With the rumor that we are going after Rex Ryan, does anyone know if we will have to compensate the Ravens? I understand that the Ravens can block a lateral move, but I thought that if we offer him the position of Assistant Head Coach - Defense (instead of just Defensive Coordinator), that the Ravens couldn't stop us. Can anyone clarify this?

 

[Cowboy06]

I hope gregg williams is candid about what he thinks of snyder when he leaves!!!

It will be funny when he lands on his feet.

good luck to fassel, something tells me he is in a no win situation.

Too bad Gregg Williams isn't a 3-4 man...

 

[5Stars]

With the rumor that we are going after Rex Ryan, does anyone know if we will have to compensate the Ravens? I understand that the Ravens can block a lateral move, but I thought that if we offer him the position of Assistant Head Coach - Defense (instead of just Defensive Coordinator), that the Ravens couldn't stop us. Can anyone clarify this?

Always! But, with Snyder he over compensates...

1 + 1 = 4

It's easy...

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Since I'm not a football guru, it would be interesting if someone would post all the teams the do run the 3/4 today...because I have a feeling that Snyder is just trying to follow the trend?

Cowboys run the 3/4 as do the Chargers...and Pats, right? Who else?

Pats
Steelers
Ravens
Browns
Chargers
Cowboys
Niners
Jets (trying to move to a 3-4)
Dolphins (trying to move to a 3-4)




YAKUZA

 

[Chocolate Lab]

With the rumor that we are going after Rex Ryan, does anyone know if we will have to compensate the Ravens? I understand that the Ravens can block a lateral move, but I thought that if we offer him the position of Assistant Head Coach - Defense (instead of just Defensive Coordinator), that the Ravens couldn't stop us. Can anyone clarify this?

Wrong -- teams don't have to let anyone go, even for a promotion, unless it's to Head (Ball) Coach.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I was also neglecting that it is very difficult to find a nose tackle who can occupy two blockers on every play. We don't have one on our roster right now.

It's not as important in the 1 gap system that Ryan and Phillips run. You still need bigger guys given the front, but Ryan has had 300 pound Kelly Gregg playing NT and Phillips got good play out of 298 pound Jay Ratliff at NT this year.

If you go to a 2 gap system, then you really need the 325 pound NT type.




YAKUZA

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Wrong -- teams don't have to let anyone go, even for a promotion, unless it's to Head (Ball) Coach.

Yes, assistant is considered an assistant...regardless of what they coach. It's only considered and upwards move when they go from assistant to head coach.




YAKUZA

 

[Duane]

Pats
Steelers
Ravens
Browns
Chargers
Cowboys
Niners
Jets (trying to move to a 3-4)
Dolphins (trying to move to a 3-4)




YAKUZA

Thought the Ravens and 49rs were back to more of a 4-3 base now.

 

[Bach]

and you wonder why you get called out about your anti-jones infatuation.

any chance you get - you take. any chance you don't get, you force.

in the end, jones has 3 rings. what does snyder have?

They are quite alike.

Just look:
* Both men were wildly successful in their business fields.
* Both are totally meddlesome, love the limelight and playing GM.
* Both hired HOF coaches, or eventual HOF coach in the last 5 years.
* Both of these coaches lasted 4 years and each made the playoffs twice with little to no success there.
* If DS hires Fassel, both will have followed up the HOF coach with an underwhelming hire of a veteran retread.

The only thing Jerry did differently was the first 5 years. Danny came into the league thinking he knew it all and wanted to play GM from day one. Jerry didn't get to that point until Jimmy and staff had already built a championship team. That's when Jerry let his ego get in the way and wanted the glory himself. Since then, he and Danny have been clones.

 

[Bach]

I know...he hates Jerry, but I bet (if he's a real Cowboy fan) that when he does talk to fans of other teams he always brings up that "yeh? Well we got 3 SuperBowls, so na na na".. stuff!! Kind of hypocritical if you ask me.

Not quite.

Most anyone with a brain know it wasn't Jerry who assembled the teams that won those SB's. His way hasn't netted us anything but 11 years without a playoff win.

I can't believe any true Cowboys fan would actually defend him.

 

[5Stars]

Pats
Steelers
Ravens
Browns
Chargers
Cowboys
Niners
Jets (trying to move to a 3-4)
Dolphins (trying to move to a 3-4)




YAKUZA

Thanks...very interesting info if you really think about it...

...9 teams play the 3/4 out of 32 teams?

 

[5Stars]

Not quite.

Most anyone with a brain know it wasn't Jerry who assembled the teams that won those SB's. His way hasn't netted us anything but 11 years without a playoff win.

I can't believe any true Cowboys fan would actually defend him.

I don't feel your pain...sorry, Bach.

And guess what? Nothing you can do about it. That's what is real!


:laugh2:

 

[Big Dakota]

Tom Cruise?

 

[Bach]

I don't feel your pain...sorry, Bach.

And guess what? Nothing you can do about it. That's what is real!


:laugh2:

wow. not many fans would think it's funny we haven't won a playoff game in 11 years.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

wow. not many fans would think it's funny we haven't won a playoff game in 11 years.

Nobody thinks it's funny.

I think we've realized that since 2002 Jerry has changed his ways and Dallas has improved greatly because of it. Of course, Dallas had a long ways to go so winning playoff games haven't happened quickly...not to mention that Dallas lost a playoff game on a dropped field goal snap (although I get the sneaky position that Zimmer's lame defense would've given up a field goal).

This is unlike Snyder who hasn't changed and still wastes cap money on mediocre and overaged FA's and gives up draft picks needlessly. And if the reports are right, the Skins will be givig up draft pick(s) to get Rex Ryan, despite having a D-Coordinator that has had a top 10 defense in three of his four years with the team.

These are the differences between Snyder and Jones that you choose to ignore. And ignoring three Super Bowls is pretty silly. Not to mention that it was Jerry who kept Jimmy around after going 1-15 in his first season (you don't see Parcells keeping Cam Cameron around) and forcing Jimmy to make Troy the starter after Jimmy gave up on him and wanted give the job to Steve Walsh.

Has Jerry made some horrendous mistakes? Sure. But outside of being a meddlesome and rich owner, Snyder just isn't comparable to Jerry.





YAKUZA

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Thanks...very interesting info if you really think about it...

...9 teams play the 3/4 out of 32 teams?

The Fins and the Jets still play 4-3, but they want to move to a 3-4. But expect the Steelers to move to a 4-3 in a couple of years. Tomlin is a 4-3/Cover 2 guy.

Then again, the Bengals appear to want to move to a 3-4 as well. Good luck with Zimmer, though.





YAKUZA

 

[Bach]

Nobody thinks it's funny.

I think we've realized that since 2002 Jerry has changed his ways and Dallas has improved greatly because of it.

Yeah, he did bring in BP and appeared to change. But now, it looks a lot more like the late 90's than it does the last several years.

These are the differences between Snyder and Jones that you choose to ignore. And ignoring three Super Bowls is pretty silly. Not to mention that it was Jerry who kept Jimmy around after going 1-15 in his first season (you don't see Parcells keeping Cam Cameron around) and forcing Jimmy to make Troy the starter after Jimmy gave up on him and wanted give the job to Steve Walsh.

Jerry hired Jimmy. He wasn't going to buy the team and hire a coach and then fire him after the first year when Jimmy totally cleaned house and was virtually starting from scratch.
Bill didn't hire Cam, so therefore he's now bringing in his own guy.

Also, I don't know where people make up these stories about Jimmy and Troy. Jimmy didn't give up on anyone. He just hedged his bets by bringing in Walsh in the supplemental draft to provide competition. Troy won out and Jimmy was still able to get a 1st and 3rd for Walsh.

And it's funny how people act like Jerry has always made the personnel decisions, yet Walsh was clearly Jimmy's decision. Hmm...how could that be? Guess what? Jimmy made most of the personnel decisions those first five years.

Has Jerry made some horrendous mistakes? Sure. But outside of being a meddlesome and rich owner, Snyder just isn't comparable to Jerry.

YAKUZA

Made some horrendous mistakes? That's an understatement. The Jerry of the last dozen years is remarkably like Snyder, not as bad, but close.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Would R Ryan implement the 3-4 in Washington?

That's what he primarily coached as the base defense in Balt, correct?

If these rumors are really true, I think the Commanders are going to go through a MAJOR rehaul, setting them back at least 5 years.

Everyone on this team loved gregg williams, and when he leaves, these people are going to be pissed. I will not be suprised when a lot of people are going to ask out of D.C.

Right now we have no where near the personel needed for a 3-4, but I would imagine he will start trying to bring people in.

But who knows, I think everyone in D.C. is just in absolute shock right now.

Ryan coaches the 4-3 in Baltimore

he has some 46 tendencies, so it wouldn't be a drastic defensive philosophy, overhaul