*CONFIRMED post #238, pg 16* Tank Johnson Would Be Available to Us In Week 9

[cleverusername]

Just to be clear, I'm not sticking to any theory. I have no theory. I'm just trying to get to the truth.

J/K I don't know - maybe you can. :laugh2:

 

[joseephuss]

is tank big enough to play nt?

He weighs like 350 lbs, but that is when he is holding all his guns and ammo. Without those he only weighs in at 250 lbs.

 

[theogt]

He absolutely was still a member of the NFLPA. Read kmd's post again as it defines those in the NFLPA.

If he retired, he wouldn't have actually been a member of the NFLPA by any of the listed ways.

There is still the subject of "under contract" as well. He is not under contract.

That issue doesn't really exist as has been explained before.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He absolutely was still a member of the NFLPA. Read kmd's post again as it defines those in the NFLPA.

There is still the subject of "under contract" as well. He is not under contract.

and again the conduct policy which is the only portion of anything that mentions under contract does not determine one way or another about this.

It says that the commisioner can only determine conduct detrimental and hand out punishments to players under contract BUT it says nothing about how those suspension are to be met or their conditions.

 

[Hostile]

Ricky Williams is actually an excellent test case. The only difference between this case and the Williams situation is that Williams of his own volition retired form the league and no longer was seeking employment due to that. As such he was no longer subject to the CBA.

Really it all comes down to Goodell anyway as he has the latitude to do what the heck he pleases.

But Fuzz, he did seek employment after "retiring," and before that was allowed, he served his owed 4 game suspension.

Ricky was technically still a Dolphin when he played in the CFL because he did so with their permission. Tank is not a Bear. Once he belongs to a team his suspension begins.

As someone else said, it is in Tank's best interest to sign for the league minimum for 1 year and get his suspension out of the way. He still owes 8 games, not 7.

 

[BigDFan5]

I have no idea whether the suspension starts in Week 1 or when he is signed with a team, but it's pretty clear that this information has nothing to do with the issue.

The information you're posting deals with who is covered by the conduct policy, not with the issue we're discussing.

The suspension is part of the conduct policy obviously the suspension can only affect someone covered by the conduct policy hence a signed player

 

[cleverusername]

He weighs like 350 lbs, but that is when he is holding all his guns and ammo. Without those he only weighs in at 250 lbs.

Funny stuff !!

:laugh2:

 

[theogt]

But Fuzz, he did seek employment after "retiring," and before that was allowed, he served his owed 4 game suspension.

Ricky was technically still a Dolphin when he played in the CFL because he did so with their permission. Tank is not a Bear. Once he belongs to a team his suspension begins.

As someone else said, it is in Tank's best interest to sign for the league minimum for 1 year and get his suspension out of the way. He still owes 8 games, not 7.

Wait. So Ricky played in the CFL because he was on suspension, but he didn't serve his suspension while in the CFL?

Honestly, I'm confused as to the whole sequence of events that happened with the Ricky situation. I've had too many beers since then.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But Fuzz, he did seek employment after "retiring," and before that was allowed, he served his owed 4 game suspension.

Ricky was technically still a Dolphin when he played in the CFL because he did so with their permission. Tank is not a Bear. Once he belongs to a team his suspension begins.

As someone else said, it is in Tank's best interest to sign for the league minimum for 1 year and get his suspension out of the way. He still owes 8 games, not 7.

All professional football players who have been previously employed by a member club of the
National Football League who are seeking employment with an NFL Club;

Whoever he played with was not a NFL club. when he seeked employemtn in the NFL again he served his supension following coming back to the Phins.

Again it really comes down to what Goodell says.

 

[theogt]

The suspension is part of the conduct policy obviously the suspension can only affect someone covered by the conduct policy hence a signed player

Yes, the suspension is part of the conduct policy and only those under contract are covered by the conduct policy. Logically, however, this does not of necessity require that he be under contract in order for the suspension to be served.

 

[sacase]

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/sports/story.html?id=b2779a82-26d0-44c0-8bd6-d98ac4637fcc

Here is an article that says he is suspended for the first 8 games this year. Not saying its 100% correct but I think it is safe to assume that no one really knows the true answer.

 

[cleverusername]

But Fuzz, he did seek employment after "retiring," and before that was allowed, he served his owed 4 game suspension.

Ricky was technically still a Dolphin when he played in the CFL because he did so with their permission. Tank is not a Bear. Once he belongs to a team his suspension begins.

As someone else said, it is in Tank's best interest to sign for the league minimum for 1 year and get his suspension out of the way. He still owes 8 games, not 7.

I would take that to mean, also, that if the team that signs him has a bye during that suspension, (as we would), that would even push it back another game?

 

[Doomsday]

Sign him to a 1 year deal, I dont see the downside. Dallas is like 10 million under the CAP this year and they wouldnt have to pay him for the games he was suspended. If after that it doesnt look like he can help the team they can always let him go.

 

[Hostile]

The suspension is part of the conduct policy obviously the suspension can only affect someone covered by the conduct policy hence a signed player

Not at all sure why that is a gray area to some.

As I have stated, is Q under contract with any NFL team? If he signs will he get to play every game or will he owe 4 games? He himself has stated he will serve a suspension first.

Is Antonio Bryant under contract with any NFL team? If he signs will he get to play every game or will he owe 2 games first?

When Ricky Williams unretired and was reinstated by the NFL he served 4 games first. If he is reinstated again he will owe 1 year this time but a team will have to sign him first.

Why is Tank different than all other evidence?

Exactly, he isn't.

 

[BigDFan5]

it was a bloody fan blog at least USA Today has a reasonable expectation to actually research their articles.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/richard_deitsch/09/05/media.circus/


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[BigDFan5]

it certainly wasnt by you. you just like making claims and not being sure about the justification for said claims.

He wasn't "making claims" he was telling you a fact, you just chose not to listen

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Not at all sure why that is a gray area to some.

As I have stated, is Q under contract with any NFL team? If he signs will he get to play every game or will he owe 4 games? He himself has stated he will serve a suspension first.

Is Antonio Bryant under contract with any NFL team? If he signs will he get to play every game or will he owe 2 games first?

When Ricky Williams unretired and was reinstated by the NFL he served 4 games first. If he is reinstated again he will owe 1 year this time but a team will have to sign him first.

Why is Tank different than all other evidence?
Exactly, he isn't.

Because he caries a bigger gun?

 

[Hostile]

Wait. So Ricky played in the CFL because he was on suspension, but he didn't serve his suspension while in the CFL?

Honestly, I'm confused as to the whole sequence of events that happened with the Ricky situation. I've had too many beers since then.

Ricky was under contract with the Dolphins, sought permission to play in the CFL and the Dolphins granted him permission.

When he returned to the NFL in 2005, he served the 4 games he owed.

He is the precedent Counselor. I'm afraid the evidence shows Tank will first have to be under contract with an NFL team. If not, why wasn't his year in the CFL part of his 4 game suspension?

You guys are grasping at straws that aren't there.

 

[joseephuss]

Not at all sure why that is a gray area to some.

As I have stated, is Q under contract with any NFL team? If he signs will he get to play every game or will he owe 4 games? He himself has stated he will serve a suspension first.

Is Antonio Bryant under contract with any NFL team? If he signs will he get to play every game or will he owe 2 games first?

When Ricky Williams unretired and was reinstated by the NFL he served 4 games first. If he is reinstated again he will owe 1 year this time but a team will have to sign him first.

Why is Tank different than all other evidence?

Exactly, he isn't.

From what I understand, Ricky Williams had fulfilled his suspension. He is still part of the Dolphins. He still has to ask for re-instatement and Goodell could tack on some more time, but he met the 1 year suspension already. I had not heard anything about his case since he failed his last test a couple of months ago. He kind of just disappeared and I may have missed if anything new happened. He won't owe any games unless Goodell added some to his suspension and I missed that.

 

[iceberg]

For someone that is so concerned with my mindgames you sure like keeping this up. maybe you should take a note form Hostile and WG and learn how to operate with class.

I have accepted for now at face value the USA Today article. i still think your pathetic to act like you actually did something when your impotent to back up your own claims.

great. think i'm pathetic. but 1) i'm not hos or wg and will act like i do - ignore is always an option. 2) you could take some lessons in class yourself, fuzzbucket and 3) the only claim i made was that you'd not want to accept whatever proof you were given. you proved me wrong for a bit but the argument continued and then you proved me right looking for more info from hos.

you're simply one of those who is flat out *never* wrong so you'll loophole people to death till in your mind your either 1) legally or 2) morally right.

nothing i could find in a link would change you, so i chose not to. i knew it was right and i knew someone would eventually play your game.