Confused with Jerry jones' Actions

[Dough Boy]

Jerry Jones loves to give people the appearance that he is solely in charge.

That is the Problem that Jimmy had with him because he is an ego maniac and wanted the credit as well.

The Coaching staff makes these decisions ...... and Jerry is in the meetings and mouths off the next time he gets in front of the camera to make it appear that he is involved.

FYI, I don't think Jerry is or wants to be the loan voice in the room. I do think he takes feedback from the staff both coaching and scouting. I do not think this is a one man show. But I do think he has input into all personel decisions.

 

[Dough Boy]

I agree Jerry has veto power however Jerry has said many times he does not call the plays he is not the HC. Just as he is not a scout he listens to what the scouts have to say and if a final call needs to be made because there is no consensus he will make it. I’m sure Jerry listens and talks with the coaches and much of what he talks about is from the input they give

See above in thread. I agree with you on this.

 

[JBond]

Jerry Jones loves to give people the appearance that he is solely in charge.

That is the Problem that Jimmy had with him because he is an ego maniac and wanted the credit as well.

The Coaching staff makes these decisions ...... and Jerry is in the meetings and mouths off the next time he gets in front of the camera to make it appear that he is involved.

yup.... It is what it is. For a few more years at least. How old is JJ?

 

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[Doomsday101]

See above in thread. I agree with you on this.

Well having power and using it are 2 different things. Every single GM in the league has veto power but that does not mean they are calling the shots in terms of players on game day.

Coaches do not hire GM's , GM's hire coaches.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Exactly... Ogletree didn't play more because Jerry talked about him; Jerry talked about him because he heard Garrett and the other coaches praising him.

Ding ding.

Then Jerry says it to the media so it looks like he knows what he's talking about.

 

[Dough Boy]

Well having power and using it are 2 different things. Every single GM in the league has veto power but that does not mean they are calling the shots in terms of players on game day.

Coaches do not hire GM's , GM's hire coaches.

I see that point and raise this point; most teams don't hire the O Coord before the Head Coach is in place either. Its a diff ship we have in Dallas.

 

[Dough Boy]

Ding ding.

Then Jerry says it to the media so it looks like he knows what he's talking about.

If you think Jerry Jones has to sit in a meeting room to learn what’s going on, I think you are mistaken. Jerry Jones is the face and voice of this franchise. Jerry knows what is going on because he is in on the decision up front. He is not a coincidental by-stander.

If you think decisions are made about the Boys at any level without Jerry's input, I would disagree with that notion.

Again, just my opinion.

 

[Hostile]

No, I don't see the 7th angel appearing, but lets be honest... Jerry does have a heavy hand. Do I think he makes personel decisions in a vacum - no. Do I think any decision gets made without his input - no. Do I think he has veto power over any decision - yes (he has admitted to as much). I'm of the opinion (rightly or wrongly) that if Jerry wanted Barber to go to the closing role, Barber would be closing.

FYI, I'm no Jerry basher. I've accepted who he is. You spend the kind of money he does every year, you earn that right in my book.

I will be honest with you, this is 100% the fairest critique of Jerry that I have seen when criticism of personnel decisions is mentioned.

Point blank, 98% of the criticism is rooted in a Salem Witch Hunt. People have no idea what the responsibilities of a GM are nor how much control Jerry exerts in his office.

He has said every personnel decision that has been made in his time as Owner/GM gets his stamp of approval. That does not mean he vetoes his coaches or scouts. That is where the Jerry blame game loses me.

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These are the jobs of a GM. The idea that he is a puppet master sitting in his leather chair playing a fiddle while Dallas burns is ludicrous and it always has been. Is he a great GM? No. Is he a good GM? I think so. I lie the roster, we're not in cap hell, the scouts are doing a great job and the NFL isn't all over us with infractions and sanctions. My only complaint is I am not a Wade Phillips fan.

Thank you for what I perceive to be one of the only fair assessments of Jerry Jones from the standpoint of criticism.

 

[Dough Boy]

I will be honest with you, this is 100% the fairest critique of Jerry that I have seen when criticism of personnel decisions is mentioned.

Point blank, 98% of the criticism is rooted in a Salem Witch Hunt. People have no idea what the responsibilities of a GM are nor how much control Jerry exerts in his office.

He has said every personnel decision that has been made in his time as Owner/GM gets his stamp of approval. That does not mean he vetoes his coaches or scouts. That is where the Jerry blame game loses me.

Roster
Coaching staff
Scouting
Salary Cap
Contact with NFL Offices

These are the jobs of a GM. The idea that he is a puppet master sitting in his leather chair playing a fiddle while Dallas burns is ludicrous and it always has been. Is he a great GM? No. Is he a good GM? I think so. I lie the roster, we're not in cap hell, the scouts are doing a great job and the NFL isn't all over us with infractions and sanctions. My only complaint is I am not a Wade Phillips fan.

Thank you for what I perceive to be one of the only fair assessments of Jerry Jones from the standpoint of criticism.

I honestly think Jerry is a good GM. Look at the talent. He rarely misses in the 1st two rounds. He is stealar in the late rounds if you are to admit late round picks have a less than 5% chance to make the final roster. He is very good of late on undrafted free agents. Dallas's top two offensive weapons were not even drafted. Look at the late draft picks and undrafted guys that make an impact on the team: Ratlif, Alan Ball, Scandrich (sp) Hurd, Crayton, Austin, Romo, Deon and Beuler.

That's an impressive list. As a GM he gets picked on for the Roy trade, but the last two weeks, its not looking so bad. As much as he gets ragged about Roy, he doesn't get enough credit for Ratlif, Ball, Crayton etc. That knife has to cut both ways.

And I'm no Wade fan. He has to get more out of the talent he has. I'm old school. I'm ok with pushing the players. I'm ok with not being the players friend. I think Wade is doing less with more. The talent is good enough here to win it all. The focus on the other hand is lacking. That spill he did two years ago about winning a playoff game because we had the bye was embarrassing. That is loser talk or moral victory, but it is not the talk of a winner.

 

[craig71]

I see that point and raise this point; most teams don't hire the O Coord before the Head Coach is in place either. Its a diff ship we have in Dallas.

I think the Garrett hiring was expedited because of Miami.Didn't Miami put some restrictions on Dallas with the amount of time they had to make a decision on Garrett?


Craig

 

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He already admitted he was just here to yank chains and get reactions.

BTW, that caption... Conflict emerging between Jerry and Wade... When was that fantasy?

 

[Doomsday101]

I see that point and raise this point; most teams don't hire the O Coord before the Head Coach is in place either. Its a diff ship we have in Dallas.

Only reason that happened was because of the time limit Miami placed on Dallas to hire Garrett or he was going to be off limits to us. Wade was also being interviewed at that time I have no doubt that Jerry talked about Garrett to Wade.

 

[Dough Boy]

I think the Garrett hiring was expedited because of Miami.Didn't Miami put some restrictions on Dallas with the amount of time they had to make a decision on Garrett?


Craig

Yes, Miami did put a time limit on the process. That does not mean that you should hire the O -Coord before the HC. Just means you need to get the HC in place ahead of schedule. From day one, Wade had no say over his OC. Even the least logical person would see that it opens the door for problems donwn the road.

 

[Hostile]

I honestly think Jerry is a good GM. Look at the talent. He rarely misses in the 1st two rounds. He is stealar in the late rounds if you are to admit late round picks have a less than 5% chance to make the final roster. He is very good of late on undrafted free agents. Dallas's top two offensive weapons were not even drafted. Look at the late draft picks and undrafted guys that make an impact on the team: Ratlif, Alan Ball, Scandrich (sp) Hurd, Crayton, Austin, Romo, Deon and Beuler.

That's an impressive list. As a GM he gets picked on for the Roy trade, but the last two weeks, its not looking so bad. As much as he gets ragged about Roy, he doesn't get enough credit for Ratlif, Ball, Crayton etc. That knife has to cut both ways.

And I'm no Wade fan. He has to get more out of the talent he has. I'm old school. I'm ok with pushing the players. I'm ok with not being the players friend. I think Wade is doing less with more. The talent is good enough here to win it all. The focus on the other hand is lacking. That spill he did two years ago about winning a playoff game because we had the bye was embarrassing. That is loser talk or moral victory, but it is not the talk of a winner.

I can't argue with a single word man.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes, Miami did put a time limit on the process. That does not mean that you should hire the O -Coord before the HC. Just means you need to get the HC in place ahead of schedule. From day one, Wade had no say over his OC. Even the least logical person would see that it opens the door for problems donwn the road.

Who says other than people here that Wade has no say over the OC? Wade is involved with what we will be doing on the offense as well as the defense and special teams which players will be part of the 45 man game day roster, should we punt or go for it he is the HC plain and simple the only ones who have disputed that are people outside of the organization those within have never said Wade has no say.

 

[Dough Boy]

Only reason that happened was because of the time limit Miami placed on Dallas to hire Garrett or he was going to be off limits to us. Wade was also being interviewed at that time I have no doubt that Jerry talked about Garrett to Wade.

See above. But now you are speculating. You have no way to confirm that Jerry talked to Wade about that. More importantly, what did the team think about that. Did they think Wade had full control. Did Jerry talk to the entire team and tell them. Neither of us know, so I just stick to the facts. Jerry the GM hired the O-Coord before a HC was put in place. In my mind, thats the cart before the horse.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Wade can veto a play Garret calls?

 

[Doomsday101]

See above. But now you are speculating. You have no way to confirm that Jerry talked to Wade about that. More importantly, what did the team think about that. Did they think Wade had full control. Did Jerry talk to the entire team and tell them. Neither of us know, so I just stick to the facts. Jerry the GM hired the O-Coord before a HC was put in place. In my mind, thats the cart before the horse.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Wade can veto a play Garret calls?

Jerry said he talked with Wade about Jason Garrett. Do I think Wade can over ride Garrett on a play call? Yes I think Wade can and does at points in the game say we need to run to keep the clock going but play by play no Wade is not going to call the offense no more than Andy Reid calls the defense but yes as HC he does have a say in what we are doing and what he wants to see in a given situation

 

[JBond]

See above. But now you are speculating. You have no way to confirm that Jerry talked to Wade about that. More importantly, what did the team think about that. Did they think Wade had full control. Did Jerry talk to the entire team and tell them. Neither of us know, so I just stick to the facts. Jerry the GM hired the O-Coord before a HC was put in place. In my mind, thats the cart before the horse.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Wade can veto a play Garret calls?

Jerry does it from his suite all the time. He has a little tiny lapel mike so the TV cameras don't pick it up.

 

[Dough Boy]

I can't argue with a single word man.

You and I are on the same page bro. I'm no Jerry basher. I'm no Jerry apologist either. I'm just a simple guy that loves the Dallas Cowboys. In my mind, Jerry is a great owner and a good GM. He just needs a HC that deserves to the walk sidelines in the shadow of Landry.