Cooper Rush is 4-3 with the same team Dak was 3-5 with

Wangchung83

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Ok, I'll play along.!!

The most important NFL game in the world is the Superbowl, correct?

So according to your logic, Trent Dilfer and Nick Foles were better quarterbacks than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly in the biggest moments when it REALLY counted because Foles and Dilfer won a Superbowl and Kelly and Marino couldn't?

Think about it... Kelly had four tries at trying to win a Superbowl and failed. But good ol' Trent Dilpher and Nick Foles won a Superbowl in ONE try.

So the way you judge wins and losses for a quarterback without factoring in ANYTHING else in a TEAM game..... Dilfer and Foles should be held in higher regards and respect than Marino and especially Jim Kelly, correct?
Why stevee comparing Dak to Superbowl anything? He sucks and hasn't made it past two playoff wins in different years. He hasn't even made it to the nfc championship yet and you're talking about suprrbowl?
 

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Why stevee comparing Dak to Superbowl anything? He sucks and hasn't made it past two playoff wins in different years. He hasn't even made it to the nfc championship yet and you're talking about suprrbowl?
Why RuPaul conveniently dodging the question?
 

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Because the NFL "talent" evaluators are enamored with strong arm quarterbacks who can throw seventy yards.
That's how ignorant they have become.
What good is throwing the ball seventy yards when you can't hit a target fifteen yards away when the pressure is on?
How often does a quarterback actually throw the ball over 40 yards?
If the NFL was enamored by quarterbacks who can only throw 70 yards, the quarterbacks like Baker Mayfield, Cousins, Russell Wilson, Brock Purdy and a few others wouldn't have starting roles.

So your argument isn't lining up what's happening in real life. Rush isn't a starting quarterback in the NFL because he's not good enough.... and that's ok!!

Backup quarterbacks make damn good salaries.
 

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I think it comes down to genetics.
Cooper's brain can process information quicker than Dak's.
Cooper throws before the receiver is open whereas Dak has to see the receiver open before letting go of the ball. By that time, the pass is late, or behind the receiver.
I think there was a stat that showed Dak threw more passes into tighter windows, Yea, because by ther time the ball arrives, so has the defender.

I think it comes down to genetics as well. Cooper Rush's brain didn't process how to go from being a low round pick coming out of college to being a perennial top 10 quarterback who had an All-Pro year and other close All-Pro seasons like Dak's brain did.

Cooper Rush wasn't intelligent enough to become a full time starter in the NFL at the most cerebral position in the league like Dak did.
 

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I think it comes down to genetics as well. Cooper Rush's brain didn't process how to go from being a low round pick coming out of college to being a perennial top 10 quarterback who had an All-Pro year and other close All-Pro seasons like Dak's brain did.

Cooper Rush wasn't intelligent enough to become a full time starter in the NFL at the most cerebral position in the league like Dak did.
:facepalm:
 

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If the NFL was enamored by quarterbacks who can only throw 70 yards, the quarterbacks like Baker Mayfield, Cousins, Russell Wilson, Brock Purdy and a few others wouldn't have starting roles.

So your argument isn't lining up what's happening in real life. Rush isn't a starting quarterback in the NFL because he's not good enough.... and that's ok!!

Backup quarterbacks make damn good salaries.
His record and his production speaks otherwise.
And he actually beats playoff caliber teams, not just cellar dwellers.
 

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His record and his production speaks otherwise.
And he actually beats playoff caliber teams, not just cellar dwellers.
Is Rush a top 10 quarterback with the potential to become an All-Pro and MVP candidate like Dak did?

And if you believe Rush is a top 10 quarterback, where in that top 10 do you place him?
 

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Is Rush a top 10 quarterback with the potential to become an All-Pro and MVP candidate like Dak did?

And if you believe Rush is a top 10 quarterback, where in that top 10 do you place him?
Do you believe the Dak you saw in October was the same Dak you saw last October? If he was, this wouldn’t be a discussion
 

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Is Rush a top 10 quarterback with the potential to become an All-Pro and MVP candidate like Dak did?

And if you believe Rush is a top 10 quarterback, where in that top 10 do you place him?
I think he's better than two-thirds of the league.
I think Dak shouldn't even be in the NFL.
 

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Do you believe the Dak you saw in October was the same Dak you saw last October? If he was, this wouldn’t be a discussion
Dak definitely wasn't the same quarterback this October. This proves what though? Our whole team wasn't the same team it was last October.

I can name a couple of quarterbacks who are better than Dak and they are playing worst this season than they played last season. So what should I take from that?
 

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I think it comes down to genetics as well. Cooper Rush's brain didn't process how to go from being a low round pick coming out of college to being a perennial top 10 quarterback who had an All-Pro year and other close All-Pro seasons like Dak's brain did.

Cooper Rush wasn't intelligent enough to become a full time starter in the NFL at the most cerebral position in the league like Dak did.
Are you implying Dak is more intelligent than Cooper Rush? Get the **** outta here!
 

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Are you implying Dak is more intelligent than Cooper Rush? Get the **** outta here!

Let's see.... Dak been in the NFL for 9 years. Rush been in the league 8 years. Dak was drafted i n the 4th round, started as a rookie, went to the playoffs his rookie season, been a top 10 player at his position his whole career, became an All-Pro and MVP candidate and has broken some team records in the process and earned a max contract.

Now in that same time frame minus a year, Rush has been on and off of practice squads, been a backup quarterback his whole career, never led a team to the playoffs, never won a playoff game, never had an All-Pro season, never placed himself in MVP considerations, never led the league in any statistical categories, and never earned a max contract.

I can't honestly say who's the most intelligent.... but from where I'm sitting it seems that Dak's intelligence AND physical talents have taken him ten times further in life than Rush's intelligence and physical talents.
 

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I think it comes down to genetics as well. Cooper Rush's brain didn't process how to go from being a low round pick coming out of college to being a perennial top 10 quarterback who had an All-Pro year and other close All-Pro seasons like Dak's brain did.

Cooper Rush wasn't intelligent enough to become a full time starter in the NFL at the most cerebral position in the league like Dak did.
If there is anything Cooper Rush has going for him its his ability to utilize his mind on the field. The guy certainly isnt getting by on his physical gifts.
 

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Let's see.... Dak been in the NFL for 9 years. Rush been in the league 8 years. Dak was drafted i n the 4th round, started as a rookie, went to the playoffs his rookie season, been a top 10 player at his position his whole career, became an All-Pro and MVP candidate and has broken some team records in the process and earned a max contract.

Now in that same time frame minus a year, Rush has been on and off of practice squads, been a backup quarterback his whole career, never led a team to the playoffs, never won a playoff game, never had an All-Pro season, never placed himself in MVP considerations, never led the league in any statistical categories, and never earned a max contract.

I can't honestly say who's the most intelligent.... but from where I'm sitting it seems that Dak's intelligence AND physical talents have taken him ten times further in life than Rush's intelligence and physical talents.
Get Cooper’s name out of your mouth. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. You’re sitting here trying to troll and pumping up your QB. Dak can throw a deeper ball but the guy has no intelligence!! He can’t see the field and processes slow!
 

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Oh, honestly, Dak hasn’t played in more than a month. And the Cowboys haters are out en masse to make it known how much they hate this franchise. The team is playing well. Why the vinegar, unless you’re a Cowboy hater?
Why is it okay to question if Martin is cooked and not to question if Dak is? Some of us think the true haters on the board are the ones who are willing to throw all other players, and former hall of fame legends under the bus to prop up their guy. I mean the likes of Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Irvin, Jimmy Johnson have been thrown under the bus. Who are the real haters on the zone?
 

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I try to be fair about your statement concerning level of competition & I could say there are truths to both sides but they post the record of our opponents and you say that's foolish. What? :huh:

It literally is the essence of the discussion.
No it’s not. It’s one of the many stats you can us to form the argument. And it’s weak. The defense was historically bad the first half of the season. Rush is playing with a good defense right now. Just too many variables have changed to say “oh he beat this team so he’s better”. It’s as weak of an argument as it gets.
 

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I feel validated for my support of Rush years ago. I was mocked here and insulted by Dak lovers and now finally justice has been served!
How in the world can you possibly feel ‘validated’? Rush and Prescott not only played with very different teams, but their wins/losses were very different as well. Rush had an RB that managed to string 3(!) 100+ yard games together, which totally changes the QB position. Dowdle couldn’t run past his shadow when Dak was playing QB, not to mention the WR/TE personnel were different.

Rush is and always will be a backup QB. You don’t know more than the coaches that watch the players EVERY DAY in practice. If they thought that Rush was even close to comparable to Dak, Dak wouldn’t have gotten the bag.

Stick to whatever job it is you do, because QB talent evaluator ain’t it.
 
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