Cowboys Defense

[AshyLarry06]

That is exactly my point.

On the Crawford side, at this point the guy is a complete disappointment. He has never even had one breakout year or anything close. Now some will say its due to injuries. Maybe, maybe not. But at this point I think we have to say the guy is injury prone. From where I am standing, injury or no, the guy has been middling. The new DT from Philly, he has never been anything special. Solid run stuffer, that has been his mantra. And upgrade from last year no doubt, but a play making DT I dont see it. We are not on 2nd and 3rd string DE's.

You're the clear case of the fan who simply pays attention to "big" numbers like sacks and int's, anything else means nothing. Either this or you simply were not watching much Cowboys football in '14 when Ty Crawford was rated as a top 5 4-3 DT in the NFL by PFF (like em or not, their stats and analytics are the best and most effective in determining player value IMO) and also was one of the top 4-3 DT's in all the NFL in QB pressures. Then in the disastrous year known as 2015 aka "Matt Cassel's Cock-S*cking Season of *****", Crawford goes out with ONE ARM for 90% of the season and gets 5 sacks... If you're gonna criticize someone, at least back it up with some real, ACTUAL facts my man, that's all most people ask for in debates like these....

 

[CCBoy]

They have to find a better way to rank defenses.

I don't care if we are ranked #1 because of YPG. I'd rather have the 20th best defense and be ranked high in Takeaways and PPG.

Listen to the implication rather than the wow of a numbered placement. The game is on the field...

The thing that resonates to this fan, is the defense last season, wasn't nearly as bad when compared to the rest of the NFC East.

Then, this year the defense has improved.

 

[silver]

Abysmal

 

[CCBoy]

We need a few guys to step up and be better than we expect. Someone one.. Anyone..


We have to drastically increase our takeaways. I'm fine with our Yards & PPG but the takeaways has to rise.

The football nerd in me is kind of excited for this defensive line but the realist in me just tells me to not expect a whole lot.

This is one time, then...that the nerd wins out.

 

[CCBoy]

Abysmal

Would Roger have accepted the bench or a dismal outlook?

 

[Denim Chicken]

You're the clear case of the fan who simply pays attention to "big" numbers like sacks and int's, anything else means nothing. Either this or you simply were not watching much Cowboys football in '14 when Ty Crawford was rated as a top 5 4-3 DT in the NFL by PFF (like em or not, their stats and analytics are the best and most effective in determining player value IMO) and also was one of the top 4-3 DT's in all the NFL in QB pressures. Then in the disastrous year known as 2015 aka "Matt Cassel's Cock-S*cking Season of ****e", Crawford goes out with ONE ARM for 90% of the season and gets 5 sacks... If you're gonna criticize someone, at least back it up with some real, ACTUAL facts my man, that's all most people ask for in debates like these....

Fact check:

Cowboys football in '14 when Ty Crawford was rated as a top 5 4-3 DT in the NFL by PFF

False: He was 13th overall for DTs in 2014

Secret Superstars: Dallas Cowboys

and also was one of the top 4-3 DT's in all the NFL in QB pressures.

False: He was tied for 15th overall for DTs and 100th overall for defensive players (he was 4 games at DE) with 7 hurries.

Defensive Hurries: 2014 NFL Season

 

[silver]

Would Roger have accepted the bench or a dismal outlook?

Roger? I don't get it.

 

[CCBoy]

Roger? I don't get it.

You going to accept a failure stance with the current group?

 

[AshyLarry06]

Stop. The Broncos filled their holes in FA and won the Super Bowl.

Mario Williams contract was reasonable for a pass rusher.

MICHAEL BENNETT was coming off a 9 sack season before going to SEA.

Jabaal Sheard averaged 7 sack per season before going to NE.

Mayowa has had 2 sacks in 3 seasons. The rest are rookies.

Guys like Guys like Mayowa, Tapper, and Collins are unproven. Hope is not a plan.

You conveniently left out Chris Clemons in that little discrediting piece you spit out there. He was a relative nobody (like Mayowa) when the Seahawks turned him into one of their most lethal pass-rushers. Also, at the time, the Seahawks snagged a 9-sack guy in Bennett but had no one like Tank Lawrence or Tyrone Crawford already on the roster. They drafted Bruce Irvin who ended up being quite an asset to the defense...but wait...rookie pass rushers shouldn't be counted on right, because "Hope is not a plan"..? As for the Broncos, yes, they went out and signed a bunch of guys and made it work. Let's see where they go this year without their big FA QB Peyton Manning bc from where i stand, the Broncos look **** outta luck right now at QB, thus making this whole "Free agent signings can win you a Ring" argument It appears you are trying to make look very, VERY questionable bud...

 

[silver]

You going to accept a failure stance with the current group?

We have a worse group than we did in 2013 when we went through some 20 defensive linemen and 10 linebackers during the season. And that was with Demarcus Ware on the roster.

 

[CowboyRoy]

See, I love a good sense of humor. Well done.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So with your logic, if we had a DE, we shouldnt look to draft another one because we already have one?

Having one what? DE on the roster or a legitimate starting caliber disruptive DE on the roster?

 

[Denim Chicken]

You conveniently left out Chris Clemons in that little discrediting piece you spit out there. He was a relative nobody (like Mayowa) when the Seahawks turned him into one of their most lethal pass-rushers. Also, at the time, the Seahawks snagged a 9-sack guy in Bennett but had no one like Tank Lawrence or Tyrone Crawford already on the roster. They drafted Bruce Irvin who ended up being quite an asset to the defense...but wait...rookie pass rushers shouldn't be counted on right, because "Hope is not a plan"..? As for the Broncos, yes, they went out and signed a bunch of guys and made it work. Let's see where they go this year without their big FA QB Peyton Manning bc from where i stand, the Broncos look **** outta luck right now at QB, thus making this whole "Free agent signings can win you a Ring" argument It appears you are trying to make look very, VERY questionable bud...

I would trade winning a Super Bowl for looking like crap next year. That is a really dumb argument.

Also, Chris Clemons had 20 sacks before going to SEA.

As for Irvin, Funny you have to go back to 2012 to find an example to fit your narrative--which still doesn't work bc Seattle was 18th in sacks that year and got beat by ATL in the divisional round.

 

[CCBoy]

We have a worse group than we did in 2013 when we went through some 20 defensive linemen and 10 linebackers during the season. And that was with Demarcus Ware on the roster.

See an optometrist...

 

[silver]

See an optometrist...

Ha ha. You funny. Funny ha ha.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Why wouldn't you always be trying to upgrade your pass rush regardless of who is on your roster? You're not making sense.

The Broncos signed Ware and drafted Shane Ray even though Von Miller was on their roster.

The more the merrier.


If you think he is a jag then just say you think he is a jag but he has shown so far that he can definitely be more than that.

Im not saying dont draft another one. Each team is certainly different in their makeup. But given the huge holes in Dallas defense, if DE was already chocked with two great starters it would make little sense to use a high pick for another one. BPA thing aside.

And now we get back to the point of Jones saying that DE was our #1 priority. Its because we had a big hole there. Its not like he had to tell us that. It was obvious to everyone before he said it. So why is everyone saying it? Did Jones and all of us forget about Irvin? No chance. Its just that he is nothing more than a low pick long shot young kid that has done NOTHING to date.

 

[CCBoy]

Ha ha. You funny. Funny ha ha.

naw, I was a Veteran for 23 years...a Postal Worker for 17, my last two positions were as an Emergency Response Team member and security for a Citgo turn-around.

Humor is not over rated...

 

[CowboyRoy]

We brought back the same linebackers we had last year, exchanging a so-so McClain for Durant, have Wilson back as a 2nd year lb and have our injured lb nzeocha back. Explain to me how it is 100% worse?

Too funny. Now McClain is so-so. Before, he was some great linebacker when he played. And who cared if he didnt practice as long as he plays great during game time.

Now all of a sudden he wasnt that great to begin with and Durant is some kind of good solution.

But if you want to think its a great LB core or its an upgrade have at it. Im not going to try and convince you.

 

[silver]

naw, I was a Veteran for 23 years...a Postal Worker for 17, my last two positions were as an Emergency Response Team member and security for a Citgo turn-around.

Humor is not over rated...

And your point is?

 

[AshyLarry06]

Fact check:



False: He was 13th overall for DTs in 2014

Secret Superstars: Dallas Cowboys


False: He was tied for 15th overall for DTs and 100th overall for defensive players (he was 4 games at DE) with 7 hurries.

Defensive Hurries: 2014 NFL Season

Lol you're kidding me, right? Ok, so i didnt check up on the exact statistical ranking, but pretty sure we were referring to the inept PASS RUSHING ability of our DTackles, and yes, i was wrong, Crawford wasn't top 5, he was top 10. Woopsie Daisy, you got me! As for hurries, the fact that the man played 4 games at DE proves my point more than your's as he clearly made more of an impact rushing the passer as the 3-TECH in this defense (which was why he eventually replaced Henry Melton as the starting 3-Tech). So yes, YA GOT ME!! I hadn't examined the PFF article itself before writing my post and instead paraphrased based on my memory and sure, I was off by a touch in the statistical department but guess what? Top 10 in pass rushing productivity for a guy in his FIRST YEAR as the starting 3-tech is pretty damned good, and as for your hurries stat, did you go down and count all the 4-3 DT's versus 3-4 NT's and 3-4 DE's in front of him on that list? Regardless, I think you just made my point even stronger without your knowing.