Cowboys Defense

[CowboyRoy]

You're the clear case of the fan who simply pays attention to "big" numbers like sacks and int's, anything else means nothing. Either this or you simply were not watching much Cowboys football in '14 when Ty Crawford was rated as a top 5 4-3 DT in the NFL by PFF (like em or not, their stats and analytics are the best and most effective in determining player value IMO) and also was one of the top 4-3 DT's in all the NFL in QB pressures. Then in the disastrous year known as 2015 aka "Matt Cassel's Cock-S*cking Season of ****e", Crawford goes out with ONE ARM for 90% of the season and gets 5 sacks... If you're gonna criticize someone, at least back it up with some real, ACTUAL facts my man, that's all most people ask for in debates like these....

Im simply a guy that deals in reality and prove it rather then hopes and whims.

How many pro bowls has Crawford made? Why dont you go look up his DT rankings by NFL standards. You will find nothing great about it. I also watch him on the field and he doesnt do a heck of a lot. He is a solid player, but a disappointment. If you are happy with his production, then by all means I dont want to spoil your happiness.

 

[CCBoy]

And your point is?

Never mind...I see that it is siesta time.

 

[CCBoy]

Im simply a guy that deals in reality and prove it rather then hopes and whims.

How many pro bowls has Crawford made? Why dont you go look up his DT rankings by NFL standards. You will find nothing great about it. I also watch him on the field and he doesnt do a heck of a lot. He is a solid player, but a disappointment. If you are happy with his production, then by all means I dont want to spoil your happiness.

There are many more and reasonable indicators than just cherry picking for an agenda...

 

[silver]

Never mind...I see that it is siesta time.

Take it easy CC. I would buy you a beer but your're 150 miles away.

 

[AshyLarry06]

Im simply a guy that deals in reality and prove it rather then hopes and whims.

How many pro bowls has Crawford made? Why dont you go look up his DT rankings by NFL standards. You will find nothing great about it. I also watch him on the field and he doesnt do a heck of a lot. He is a solid player, but a disappointment. If you are happy with his production, then by all means I dont want to spoil your happiness.

Guess we will see how it all turns out, eh? And if you're so upset with Crawford's performance, you should've been thrilled that we went out and drafted a guy in the 3rd round who's greatest asset is his explosiveness and ability to get off the ball and rush the passer.

 

[Shuff]

Lane Johnson-Eagles suspended 10 games- trade Leary or Collins for DE?

 

[CCBoy]

Take it easy CC. I would buy you a beer but your're 150 miles away.

The second round would be on me...

 

[Denim Chicken]

Lol you're kidding me, right? Ok, so i didnt check up on the exact statistical ranking, but pretty sure we were referring to the inept PASS RUSHING ability of our DTackles, and yes, i was wrong, Crawford wasn't top 5, he was top 10. Woopsie Daisy, you got me! As for hurries, the fact that the man played 4 games at DE proves my point more than your's as he clearly made more of an impact rushing the passer as the 3-TECH in this defense (which was why he eventually replaced Henry Melton as the starting 3-Tech). So yes, YA GOT ME!! I hadn't examined the PFF article itself before writing my post and instead paraphrased based on my memory and sure, I was off by a touch in the statistical department but guess what? Top 10 in pass rushing productivity for a guy in his FIRST YEAR as the starting 3-tech is pretty damned good, and as for your hurries stat, did you go down and count all the 4-3 DT's versus 3-4 NT's and 3-4 DE's in front of him on that list? Regardless, I think you just made my point even stronger without your knowing.

Where the heck are you getting top 10 from? Also, line breaks are your friend.

And yes, the hurries are counted for both DE & DT & LB position where he was raked at 100 of all defensive players. Would have been tied for 15th for if just looking at DT (though he got an advantage by paying 4 games at end).

 

[CowboyRoy]

Guess we will see how it all turns out, eh? And if you're so upset with Crawford's performance, you should've been thrilled that we went out and drafted a guy in the 3rd round who's greatest asset is his explosiveness and ability to get off the ball and rush the passer.

I actually looked up Crawford. He was the 15th ranked DT last year. Higher than I though. But still, I am not impressed with him. Now maybe if he is 100% healthy all year he could get up into the top 10? But the poor guy cant seem to stay healthy.

And its too bad about our DT prospect from the third round. Broke his foot early on. His rookie season is all but wasted.

 

[big dog cowboy]

 

[AshyLarry06]

Where the heck are you getting top 10 from? Also, line breaks are your friend.

And yes, the hurries are counted for both DE & DT & LB position where he was raked at 100 of all defensive players. Would have been tied for 15th for if just looking at DT (though he got an advantage by paying 4 games at end).

Lol, maybe you should go back and read your own fact-breaking posts a little more thoroughly but just in case you can't:

"The new plan was for Crawford to play strong side defensive end and move inside to defensive tackle on passing downs. He played mostly end for the first three games of the season but was shifted inside to a full-time DT role in Week 4 and then locked down the starting position for the rest of the season. Finishing with a +11.9 overall grade, good for 13th overall among DTs, Crawford’s +12.5 pass rushing grade was eighth-best. This gave Dallas another effective interior rusher to pair with Henry Melton."

That's where i got it from.

 

[CCBoy]

I actually looked up Crawford. He was the 15th ranked DT last year. Higher than I though. But still, I am not impressed with him. Now maybe if he is 100% healthy all year he could get up into the top 10? But the poor guy cant seem to stay healthy.

And its too bad about our DT prospect from the third round. Broke his foot early on. His rookie season is all but wasted.

He has a long way to grow, and he needs it all...be patient.

 

[CCBoy]

Lol, maybe you should go back and read your own fact-breaking posts a little more thoroughly but just in case you can't:

"The new plan was for Crawford to play strong side defensive end and move inside to defensive tackle on passing downs. He played mostly end for the first three games of the season but was shifted inside to a full-time DT role in Week 4 and then locked down the starting position for the rest of the season. Finishing with a +11.9 overall grade, good for 13th overall among DTs, Crawford’s +12.5 pass rushing grade was eighth-best. This gave Dallas another effective interior rusher to pair with Henry Melton."

That's where i got it from.

I'm just wanting him to remain healthy this season...he'll be worth the positional starts.

 

[Idgit]

The team likes Irving at DT (although he's built like a DE) and wanted to be able to play him inside as well as outside. Now, he will have to be at end most of the time... at least until Lawrence comes back.

I wonder how much attention you really pay to the team? It has been pretty well discussed since Dallas picked him up last year that they played him at DT and liked his ability to rush from inside.

You also thought he was a 5th round pick, when it has been discussed plenty (including before the 2015 draft) that he was a good prospect but because of some off the field issues, he likely wouldn't be drafted (and wasn't). Before KC even added him as an UDFA, there were a lot of guys on here that knew him and had wanted to use a late pick on him.

So, I'm not sure how much you really paid attention to... and really, that is your business. But coming in here like you know what Irving is all about and how the team wants to use him is long on opinion and low on actual understanding of the situation, it appears.

Did you even watch the video that @CATCH17 posted?

Good catch, btw. He probably confused Irving with Ryan Russel.

In any event, the plan with the DL is to build a deep rotation of guys who can all play. I'm dubious, but I do like several of these guys to be good contributors. I do wish we had that one impact rush player on the DL though. Randy Gregory developing would have been such a bluebird if it had worked out.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Lol, maybe you should go back and read your own fact-breaking posts a little more thoroughly but just in case you can't:

"The new plan was for Crawford to play strong side defensive end and move inside to defensive tackle on passing downs. He played mostly end for the first three games of the season but was shifted inside to a full-time DT role in Week 4 and then locked down the starting position for the rest of the season. Finishing with a +11.9 overall grade, good for 13th overall among DTs, Crawford’s +12.5 pass rushing grade was eighth-best. This gave Dallas another effective interior rusher to pair with Henry Melton."

That's where i got it from.

OK, so if you want to grade him by a made up statistic "pass rushing grade" he's top ten. Their overall grade for him is 13th. PFF is a joke.

 

[CCBoy]

OK, so if you want to grade him by a made up statistic "pass rushing grade" he's top ten. Their overall grade for him is 13th. PFF is a joke.

Damn...not a joke, just a different view, but of value.

 

[Jstopper]

Too funny. Now McClain is so-so. Before, he was some great linebacker when he played. And who cared if he didnt practice as long as he plays great during game time.

Now all of a sudden he wasnt that great to begin with and Durant is some kind of good solution.

But if you want to think its a great LB core or its an upgrade have at it. Im not going to try and convince you.

You changed the goalposts. I never said it was a great lb corp so nice way to deflect. You said it was 100% worse and I asked you to explain how it is worse with the same personnel plus improvements?

 

[Denim Chicken]

Damn...not a joke, just a different view, but of value.

No value in this:

5 Worst NFL Quarterback Contracts | Nate Jahnke

3. Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys
Years remaining: Four

Average remaining cap hit (per year): $23.6 million

Year he can realistically be cut: 2018

This is another case of a good-but-not-elite quarterback getting paid like an elite signal-caller. The situation is worse now that Romo is 36, coming off a season full of injury and bad play, and is under contract for another four years.

In six of the last seven games Romo has played in, he’s graded very close to average, and in his most recent game against the Panthers, he was on pace for one of the worst games in the PFF era in just 22 dropbacks. In 2015, even when Romo wasn’t under pressure, he only recorded an NFL QB rating of 93.2, his lowest in the PFF era (since 2007). Romo is one of eight quarterbacks who has a cap hit above $20 million in 2016; in order for him to live up to his contract this next season, he would need to be just as good, if not better, than he’s been in recent years. It’s unlikely that a quarterback coming off an injury-filled season at his age will produce the best season of his career. Realistically, Romo will be overpaid for the next two years, and then the Cowboys could let him go in 2018 or 2019 if his performance declines.

 

[Idgit]

No value in this:

5 Worst NFL Quarterback Contracts | Nate Jahnke

3. Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys
Years remaining: Four

Average remaining cap hit (per year): $23.6 million

Year he can realistically be cut: 2018

This is another case of a good-but-not-elite quarterback getting paid like an elite signal-caller. The situation is worse now that Romo is 36, coming off a season full of injury and bad play, and is under contract for another four years.

In six of the last seven games Romo has played in, he’s graded very close to average, and in his most recent game against the Panthers, he was on pace for one of the worst games in the PFF era in just 22 dropbacks. In 2015, even when Romo wasn’t under pressure, he only recorded an NFL QB rating of 93.2, his lowest in the PFF era (since 2007). Romo is one of eight quarterbacks who has a cap hit above $20 million in 2016; in order for him to live up to his contract this next season, he would need to be just as good, if not better, than he’s been in recent years. It’s unlikely that a quarterback coming off an injury-filled season at his age will produce the best season of his career. Realistically, Romo will be overpaid for the next two years, and then the Cowboys could let him go in 2018 or 2019 if his performance declines.

If you're in for a penny and you're PFF, I guess you're in for a pound. That's a list of pretty good QBs on the worst contract list, fwiw. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you have to pay money to good QBs in this league, and if you're grading system has had Tony Romo very close to average it's probably time to revisit the sample size or the grading system.

 

[Denim Chicken]

If you're in for a penny and you're PFF, I guess you're in for a pound. That's a list of pretty good QBs on the worst contract list, fwiw. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you have to pay money to good QBs in this league, and if you're grading system has had Tony Romo very close to average it's probably time to revisit the sample size or the grading system.

They have insulted my captain and thus are dead to me.