Cowboys interest in Eric Weddle *Signs With Ravens*

rocyaice said:
Im not convinced that Weddle is even a improvement over Weddle at this point. Not the Weddle I saw last year anyway.
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I will accept that he was injured and not done with.

His brains are just as important at this point.

I don't hate Church or Wilcox but they got big raises they didn't earn.
 
McLovin said:
Sadly the Raiders are amassing a nice team. Young good QB, Stud WR, PassRusher (Mack). They went from 3-13 to 7-9. Granted it is all perspective, but the Raiders wont be the default punchline for lung
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No I understand that. They are having a solid offseason. If they don't make the post season next year they failed. I like their team.

But in reality, if the Cowboys are a train wreck then how are they not? They missed out on the playoffs just like we did. We have a stud young offensive line, stud receiver, young core. Solid quarterback. We are a train wreck but they aren't?
 
gmoney112 said:
Haha, yeah. I really don't understand the Church obsession. It's funny. No idea why we show nepotism toward our own guys like that.

You could cut Church and use that same cash to get a vet like Reggie Nelson at FS on a 1 year deal who had as many picks as our entire defense combined last year, put Byron at SS. That way you aren't tied to him in case they feel Ramsey is the best guy on the board.

I like Weddle too but I don't know how many years I want to be tied to him. Regardless, we could upgrade at 4.25 mill if we really wanted too.
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There's no obsession on Church. He's a solid strong safety. Not great but solid. The problem in the secondary is Wilcox. Why Church is part of to but Wilcox is the one that's a liability.
 
gmoney112 said:
Haha, yeah. I really don't understand the Church obsession. It's funny. No idea why we show nepotism toward our own guys like that.

You could cut Church and use that same cash to get a vet like Reggie Nelson at FS on a 1 year deal who had as many picks as our entire defense combined last year, put Byron at SS. That way you aren't tied to him in case they feel Ramsey is the best guy on the board.

I like Weddle too but I don't know how many years I want to be tied to him. Regardless, we could upgrade at 4.25 mill if we really wanted too.
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He is coming off a 5/40m deal, so I would look to go 3/15m 6m guaranteed
 
rocyaice said:
There's no obsession on Church. He's a solid strong safety. Not great but solid. The problem in the secondary is Wilcox. Why Church is part of to but Wilcox is the one that's a liability.
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They're both liabilities in the passing game. Yeah, Wilcox is a disaster but honestly, neither would be starting on a good defense. And I doubt there is a team in the league not in Oakland or Jax that would pay Church over 4 million.
 
rocyaice said:
No I understand that. They are having a solid offseason. If they don't make the post season next year they failed. I like their team.

But in reality, if the Cowboys are a train wreck then how are they not? They missed out on the playoffs just like we did. We have a stud young offensive line, stud receiver, young core. Solid quarterback. We are a train wreck but they aren't?
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To me it is trajectory. Right now Oakland believes they are set for the nest 10 years at most important position in the NFL. We may be set for 2-3, but age and injury concerns are more of a factor. The Cowboys had an odd year, granted, but Oakland is starting to manage a team more similar to successful teams (i.e. not Al Davis sole decisions). Dallas is an outlier that cant be disputed, people can argue the degree it impacts them.
 
Weddle would be a hired gun but he'd be an upgrade compared to what has been back there. I have no problem with one or two of those on the roster. Pretty much all teams do it and it has been a spot of issue with this team for years.
 
stiletto said:
Weddle would be a hired gun but he'd be an upgrade compared to what has been back there. I have no problem with one or two of those on the roster. Pretty much all teams do it and it has been a spot of issue with this team for years.
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All teams do it, especially competitive ones. But for some reason, we don't sign a single player over 30 and we don't "overpay" for players in their prime in FA. That leaves us with talent acquisition only consisting of draftees, complete risks, or underperforming players.

That's how you end up with Hayden, Wilcox, and Church all playing the majority of snaps for years.
 
rocyaice said:
Yeah but we aren't struggling for money now are we? I didn't think we were really looking hard for a backup aside from Matt Moore.
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well cowboys are behaving like money is big issue.
 
gmoney112 said:
They're both liabilities in the passing game. Yeah, Wilcox is a disaster but honestly, neither would be starting on a good defense. And I doubt there is a team in the league not in Oakland or Jax that would pay Church over 4 million.
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Ehh I Don't know.....the safety play as a whole around the NFL is about on par with what you get from Church. That's not a credit to Church but more so about how the safety position is. Any upgrade you get will be minimum at best since most teams are willing to pay whatever it takes to keep their great safeties.

And Church signed a 4 year 8 million dollar deal. That's rather fair and GREAT for a starter in this league. There are backups in this league getting paid more.

Wood said:
well cowboys are behaving like money is big issue.
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It seems more like they just want to pay a certain price for subpar talent in free agency. I can't fault them for that. Like at some point you have to ask yourself why are these players available. Why did their previous teams not want them. And how much do I want to pay for talent that a previous team didn't want?

McLovin said:
To me it is trajectory. Right now Oakland believes they are set for the nest 10 years at most important position in the NFL. We may be set for 2-3, but age and injury concerns are more of a factor. The Cowboys had an odd year, granted, but Oakland is starting to manage a team more similar to successful teams (i.e. not Al Davis sole decisions). Dallas is an outlier that cant be disputed, people can argue the degree it impacts them.
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I get your point but I don't see much of a difference between the Raiders or the Cowboys. We can talk about 10 years from now but with a healthy Romo you guys feel better about the Raiders next season than you do us? We are a season removed from winning 12 games. Raiders are probably a decade away from it.

bkight13 said:
Wilcox got an extra 1m and Church an extra 1.5m thru some performance escalator this off-season
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Ehhh....I mean those aren't really raises though. I thought may be some years got added to their deals or they signed a extension.
 
rocyaice said:
How so?
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You want last year or last 20? They have been to more playoffs and championships than we have in that span. Last year Oakland started to head up. Good nucleus on offense . A super stud defensive player. And now they are adding key pieces at the right spots. They were close to playoffs last year at 7-9. And will take the next step this year.

We on the other hand are stuck in a fast closing window.
 
rocyaice said:
No I understand that. They are having a solid offseason. If they don't make the post season next year they failed. I like their team.

But in reality, if the Cowboys are a train wreck then how are they not? They missed out on the playoffs just like we did. We have a stud young offensive line, stud receiver, young core. Solid quarterback. We are a train wreck but they aren't?
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No they are not anymore. We are a train wreck like Cleveland, Detroit, and San Fran.
 
coult44 said:
You want last year or last 20? They have been to more playoffs and championships than we have in that span. Last year Oakland started to head up. Good nucleus on offense . A super stud defensive player. And now they are adding key pieces at the right spots. They were close to playoffs last year at 7-9. And will take the next step this year.

We on the other hand are stuck in a fast closing window.
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No need to go last 20. How about the last 10 years or so? Something far more recent than 20 years ago. How is 7-9 close to the playoffs lol? You'd rather be the Raiders right now is what you're saying? Are you serious? If you say its because of what they CAN become fair enough. But you can't sit here with a legit argument for how the Raiders that were ran even WORSE than were in the 2000's as not a train wreck lol. They were the definition of a train wreck. They have one good year and now they are back on top. Or not even one good year. One semi-bad year. But our 12 win year means nothing lol.
 
jnday said:
The problem I see with Weddle is his age and declining production. Other than that, he would have been a great signing five years ago .
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In keeping with most of our other signings, I don't think it would be an extremely long term deal.
 
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