Cowboys looking at teams for RB trade?

[BlindFaith]

I want the Minnesota RB.

Jerick McKinnon.

Me too. But they won't let him go.

 

[BlindFaith]

Browns:
Crowell
West
Added Duke Johnson

Seattle
Turbin
Michael
Have beast mode

Miami:
Miller
They got Ajayi and have some solid depth

Davis isn't going anywhere. Forte is slow now.

I'd be in serious discussions dangling Leary or draft pick for either Miller, Michael or Crowell.

Miller would be an immediate starter and our "bell cow". Same for Crowell. Michael may be a year away yet from being the man, but he as loads of skill and potential.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Browns:
Crowell
West
Added Duke Johnson

Seattle
Turbin
Michael
Have beast mode

Miami:
Miller
They got Ajayi and have some solid depth

Davis isn't going anywhere. Forte is slow now.

I'd be in serious discussions dangling Leary or draft pick for either Miller, Michael or Crowell.

Miller would be an immediate starter and our "bell cow". Same for Crowell. Michael may be a year away yet from being the man, but he as loads of skill and potential.

How many years does Michael have left on his contract

 

[DFWJC]

I like the player okay, but Forte made zero sense to me.

We either want to go younger or cheaper...and maybe both.

Why let Murray walk only to go pay an older back about the same money, plus give up picks in a trade?

Just would not at all make sense.

 

[BlindFaith]

How many years does Michael have left on his contract

Signed through 2016.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/christine-michael/

 

[windward]

Way too costly salary wise.

Especially for a guy that showed signs of decline last year.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

The Fish of death. N b 4 incoming Forte trade.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The Fish of death. N b 4 incoming Forte trade.

Of course.

It would be stoopid if they were.

 

[AzorAhai]

Browns:
Crowell
West
Added Duke Johnson

Seattle
Turbin
Michael
Have beast mode

Miami:
Miller
They got Ajayi and have some solid depth

Davis isn't going anywhere. Forte is slow now.

I'd be in serious discussions dangling Leary or draft pick for either Miller, Michael or Crowell.

Miller would be an immediate starter and our "bell cow". Same for Crowell. Michael may be a year away yet from being the man, but he as loads of skill and potential.

I'm not interested in strengthening an in conference contender for a RB thats unknown if he will be a significant upgrade. I'm simply not trading with Seattle unless it's a clear win for us in the trade or its a draft pick. I wouldn't even consider trading Leary to Seattle for Michael. Trade with Miami or Cleveland and you don't have to worry about them until the SB if both teams happen to make it. If Miller is truly being dangled, I doubt they get a better player than Leary and frankly I'd rather have him anyways.

 

[BlindFaith]

I'm not interested in strengthening an in conference contender for a RB thats unknown if he will be a significant upgrade. I'm simply not trading with Seattle unless it's a clear win for us in the trade or its a draft pick. I wouldn't even consider trading Leary to Seattle for Michael. Trade with Miami or Cleveland and you don't have to worry about them until the SB if both teams happen to make it. If Miller is truly being dangled, I doubt they get a better player than Leary and frankly I'd rather have him anyways.

Really? So Leary would put Seattle at such a advantage over us that you wouldn't trade him? A back up guard for perhaps our starting RB? smh

And we face Miami this year during the season. What if Leary paves the way for a win against us and that loss is what keeps us out of the playoffs? I guess we shouldn't trade with anyone because how do we know who we will face in the playoffs.

 

[darthseinfeld]

A guy like Miller or Christine could go off for 1,500 yards behind our OL.

Would be a tough sell to the other teams fanbase if that happens

 

[BlindFaith]

A guy like Miller or Christine could go off for 1,500 yards behind our OL.

Would be a tough sell to the other teams fanbase if that happens

So if we got either of those guys and they rush for 1500 yards, would you complain if Leary ended up in the pro bowl?

You think the other teams fanbase would care then?

 

[Corso]

That's it: Someone get Pete Hunter off the couch. That guy's a gamer!

 

[AzorAhai]

Really? So Leary would put Seattle at such a advantage over us that you wouldn't trade him? A back up guard for perhaps our starting RB? smh

And we face Miami this year during the season. What if Leary paves the way for a win against us and that loss is what keeps us out of the playoffs? I guess we shouldn't trade with anyone because how do we know who we will face in the playoffs.

Leary is a starting caliber OG and a damn good one. To set there and pretend like he's a scrub now because we got Collins is ridiculous. They would be trading for a starting OG, not some backup. We would be trading for a RB who is purely a projection on what he will be here. He's not some proven starting RB. You are strengthening one of the top 2 contenders in the NFC who you play this year. They're very likely to be in the playoffs, so no I'm not trading a proven starter for an unproven RB from Seattle.

 

[darthseinfeld]

So if we got either of those guys and they rush for 1500 yards, would you complain if Leary ended up in the pro bowl?

You think the other teams fanbase would care then?

No because we would likely have two pro bowl level OGs. Seattle fans might complain because of how much they are paying Lynch and Miami fans might complain because they dont have a HB capable of that

 

[BlindFaith]

Leary is a starting caliber OG and a damn good one. To set there and pretend like he's a scrub now because we got Collins is ridiculous. They would be trading for a starting OG, not some backup. We would be trading for a RB who is purely a projection on what he will be here. He's not some proven starting RB. You are strengthening one of the top 2 contenders in the NFC who you play this year. They're very likely to be in the playoffs, so no I'm not trading a proven starter for an unproven RB from Seattle.

I'm not implying that Leary is a scrub. He's a very good player. Starting caliber. But he will be our backup.

And the rub here is to be able to evaluate players. If you think Michael is all that and a bag of chips, I'd easily trade Leary to Seattle for him.

4.43 40
1.49 10 yard
43 inch vert
6.69 3 cone
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664173/christine-michael

He's a bit of a knucklehead, but has elite level measurables. Was hurt in college but still put up good numbers. I'd make a trade for him.

 

[AzorAhai]

I'm not implying that Leary is a scrub. He's a very good player. Starting caliber. But he will be our backup.

And the rub here is to be able to evaluate players. If you think Michael is all that and a bag of chips, I'd easily trade Leary to Seattle for him.

4.43 40
1.49 10 yard
43 inch vert
6.69 3 cone
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664173/christine-michael

He's a bit of a knucklehead, but has elite level measurables. Was hurt in college but still put up good numbers. I'd make a trade for him.

He's still an unproven player. If I'm trading Leary for someone its going to be for a proven starter at RB. At minimum someone who has enough carries to project what he could do if given a starters role or 250+ carries. To be honest, Randle has done more at this point in their careers than Michaels. If I can get him for a 4th-5th rd pick I pull the trigger based on potential, but I definitely don't trade Leary for him. They say potential will get you fired for a good reason.

Michaels Career Stats
Att 52
YPC 4.9
TDs 0
YDs 254

Randle Career Stats
Att 105
YPC 4.8
TDs 5
YDs 507

Lamar Miller Career Stats
Att 444
YPC 4.6
TDs 11
YDs 2058

Lamar Miller only has 1 year left on his deal, but at least Leary is out of the conference for 2 years and you get a proven, starting RB. I'm not in favor of trading Leary in general, but Miller is the only realistically available RB I would trade him for thats been listed. The others I'd only offer a draft pick in the 4th-5th rd range. I know people want another RB in here badly, but I'd just as soon give Randle a shot as bring in another unproven player who also doesn't know the system. Either get a clear upgrade or sit tight is what I would do.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have watched Martin and yes, I realize he isn't the phenom he was in his rookie year. So what would you expect to fetch in trade for a backup guard?

We all have a habit of overvaluing our own talent but Leary is not going to fetch a bounty.

Change the trading stakes for a RB and I lose interest. If it goes towards high draft choices and the like, I am out.

That applies to most of the players that might be available.

I don't see a basis for an evaluation from you not that I am surprised, jaded romantic as you are.

Leary is a solid starter with upside with half of his rookie cost control left. The knee mitigates that as does the position but I think the best way to value something is to look at the market. What other OL non-LT types are on the market? What past trades have been made?

I cannot think of any quality OL on the market or on the trade block.

This past draft, the Broncos and Lions swapped picks valued at a high fourth rounder plus another 4th rounder and next years 5th for Manny Ramirez. Logan Mankin has better talent but is old and had a horrible contract when he was traded recently. He returned a 4th and a journeyman TE from TB.

Given that you could provide easy basis for asking for a 3rd. Not saying you will get it but empirical examples will justify the request.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Try harder bro.

DM29 never made anyone miss. Ever. He never extended any runs. McFadden can do that for you. More speed, more elusiveness. The oline is going to open holes. I'm confident he's good enough to see the hole and hit it and then make a guy miss to extend the run. We're not asking backs to do anything herculean.

Why would he sign for zero guaranteed money? Because this is an ideal situation for a RB with something to prove. He's got the leagues best oline, and a qb. 2 things he's never had.

McFadden can pass protect for romo better than murray I would argue. He can catch and run as good as murray. And certainly is a more explosive runner than murray. I think he will be fine.

You are basing your argument solely on belief, because there is no statistical evidence that would lead anybody to believe that McFadden and Randle are going to replace a RB with almost 2300 yards from scrimmage.................NONE.

If the team actually believed that, why did they offer Murray $6 million a season before he walked out the door? Why would the team do that if they could get the same production from two backs making peanuts in comparison? This is where your argument breaks down because it is not logical to assume the team would pay $6 million to one player if they believed a combination of two players could do the same job for a fraction of the cost.

So please answer that question, why would the team offer Murray $6 million a season if McFadden and Randle could replace him at a fraction of cost?

 

[BlindFaith]

He's still an unproven player. If I'm trading Leary for someone its going to be for a proven starter at RB. At minimum someone who has enough carries to project what he could do if given a starters role or 250+ carries. To be honest, Randle has done more at this point in their careers than Michaels. If I can get him for a 4th-5th rd pick I pull the trigger based on potential, but I definitely don't trade Leary for him. They say potential will get you fired for a good reason.

Michaels Career Stats
Att 52
YPC 4.9
TDs 0
YDs 254

Randle Career Stats
Att 105
YPC 4.8
TDs 5
YDs 507

Lamar Miller Career Stats
Att 444
YPC 4.6
TDs 11
YDs 2058

Lamar Miller only has 1 year left on his deal, but at least Leary is out of the conference for 2 years and you get a proven, starting RB. I'm not in favor of trading Leary in general, but Miller is the only realistically available RB I would trade him for thats been listed. The others I'd only offer a draft pick in the 4th-5th rd range. I know people want another RB in here badly, but I'd just as soon give Randle a shot as bring in another unproven player who also doesn't know the system. Either get a clear upgrade or sit tight is what I would do.

Ok. You wouldn't do the trade. No problem. I would.

And if you think that Randle is even in the same ball park as Miller and Michael, then it's clear why you wouldn't do the trade. And for the record, I don't think Randle is in the same ballpark.