Cowboys salary cap $$ is low because they franchised Dez

jrumann59 said:
HUH wut, signing bonus money is what does the most damage to a salary cap, its guaranteed money so no matter if what, except retirement, the player gets that money. Most contracts have relatively low bases but sogning bonus is what puts some of those contracts so high.
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so is the only team friendly contract the one that guarantees very little, and sets low base salary with enormous escalators? Sorry if I was mistaken, but I always read teams converting 'base salary into signing bonus' to minimize the hit on the salary cap
 
The Cowboys "cap hell" was the 2014 season. They had to release DeMarcus Ware ($20 million guaranteed a day later) and let Jason Hatcher (10.5 million guaranteed) walk with no compensation and having to insert inferior players at their positions. Despite these moves, the 2014 defense was better than the 2013 defense but I think there is some confusion of causation and correlation there. It working out once doesn't mean it would work out great twice if forced to do the same thing with other players.
 
iceberg said:
we've been doing that for decades it would seem and each year there are people saying we're going to have to pay for it eventually.

as far as i know we never really have been handicapped so far out of line it was hugely detrimental to the team.
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Wow. Can't believe people think this.
 
AmberBeer said:
But you mortgage the future with this philosophy, ie just kicking the can down the road. Eventually you end up in cap hell.
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That's mostly a myth. Teams work with funny money that allows them to create more space through restructures when they need it. There are times when they choose to eat dead money instead of restructuring to absorb it, but there's a lot of play in the cap. If Dallas chooses to restructure Romo to open up space this year, then when Romo's bill eventually comes due, the Cowboys will have another player's contract in place that they can restructure to absorb it, and so on ...

Now, to make it all work out, teams can't afford to constantly be missing on draft picks and lower-end guys. Eventually that will bite you because you've got too much guaranteed money to absorb. Restructuring isn't the perfect model for doing NFL business because of such things, but it's a very useful tool, which is why teams build them into contracts.
 
Nation said:
The Cowboys "cap hell" was the 2014 season. They had to release DeMarcus Ware ($20 million guaranteed a day later) and let Jason Hatcher (10.5 million guaranteed) walk with no compensation and having to insert inferior players at their positions. Despite these moves, the 2014 defense was better than the 2013 defense but I think there is some confusion of causation and correlation there. It working out once doesn't mean it would work out great twice if forced to do the same thing with other players.
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The conscious choice by Dallas was to get younger on defense by releasing these players. The Cowboys didn't have to make those moves because they could have restructured with Ware to keep him and still brought in several FAs. (They were not going to keep Hatcher at his FA price.)
 
gimmesix said:
That's mostly a myth. Teams work with funny money that allows them to create more space through restructures when they need it. There are times when they choose to eat dead money instead of restructuring to absorb it, but there's a lot of play in the cap. If Dallas chooses to restructure Romo to open up space this year, then when Romo's bill eventually comes due, the Cowboys will have another player's contract in place that they can restructure to absorb it, and so on ...

Now, to make it all work out, teams can't afford to constantly be missing on draft picks and lower-end guys. Eventually that will bite you because you've got too much guaranteed money to absorb. Restructuring isn't the perfect model for doing NFL business because of such things, but it's a very useful tool, which is why teams build them into contracts.
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Again, just unbelievable the ignorance. What if a player doesn't perform anymore? What if he gets hurt? What if he gets in trouble? And besides those questions, if you keep pushing money down the road it forces you into the situation we had last year and this year ie franchising, not being able to sign Ware, Murray, Hatcher and any other top tier FA's.
 
LatinMind said:
maybe you should read the post a little better next time
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Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to start a thread crying and ranting like a child next time.

"Dallas is now only 5.84 mil under the cap. Thanks Dez for the loyalty"

BooHoo.
 
LatinMind said:
Dallas is now only 5.84 mil under the cap. Thanks Dez for the loyalty.

So he switches agents and his new agent Condon uses the 114mil contract talks as a starting point and going up from there. Instead of working around the numbers that were being discussed and almost agreed to. thats why Jerry Jones was upset with him switching agents.
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Oh yeah. I'm sure

So you spoke to Jerry? Or just assuming?
 
Frozen700 said:
Oh yeah. I'm sure

So you spoke to Jerry? Or just assuming?
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Jerry gets upset any time a player switches agents in the middle of negotiations.

Lol, these people act like contract negotiations are just them like "how's this look?"

"looks good, where do I sign?"

It's complicated. Constant work. If you negotiated and built a contract framework with one guy and then all of a sudden had to start over, of course you'd be upset. Just more work.
 
casmith07 said:
Jerry gets upset any time a player switches agents in the middle of negotiations.

Lol, these people act like contract negotiations are just them like "how's this look?"

"looks good, where do I sign?"

It's complicated. Constant work. If you negotiated and built a contract framework with one guy and then all of a sudden had to start over, of course you'd be upset. Just more work.
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Exactly.
 
casmith07 said:
Jerry gets upset any time a player switches agents in the middle of negotiations.

Lol, these people act like contract negotiations are just them like "how's this look?"

"looks good, where do I sign?"

It's complicated. Constant work. If you negotiated and built a contract framework with one guy and then all of a sudden had to start over, of course you'd be upset. Just more work.
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THere's also an undertone of "$XM is enough. Take it and be happy"
 
LatinMind said:
Dallas is now only 5.84 mil under the cap. Thanks Dez for the loyalty.

Lol i know the hate will come for this, but this is something the team didnt need. This is something that didnt have to happen.

I know Dez needs to fight for his money, and they were doing this. But in the middle of contract talks when they were so close he got it in his head that it was a smart thing to switch agents. After he had said he would stop talking about the contract negotiations and wouldnt deal until after the season. But in the middle of the season he started opening his twitter account to mouth off about his contract. After he said he was done talking about it.

So he switches agents and his new agent Condon uses the 114mil contract talks as a starting point and going up from there. Instead of working around the numbers that were being discussed and almost agreed to. thats why Jerry Jones was upset with him switching agents.
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You don't know a deal was close.

And Dez and his people would have been fools to sign a 10byear deal for 11m average and only 20 guaranteed.
 
iceberg said:
wow.

i can't believe people have been saying we're going to mortgage our future for the last 20 years are still saying this...

your move, chief.
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Ok.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...l-is-risky-business-cowboys-may-not-do-it.ece
 
IF we could have kept Dware and Hatcher this year- that extra defensive talent just might have made the difference at getting to the SB.

So YES our cap problems have had an effect.
 
burmafrd said:
IF we could have kept Dware and Hatcher this year- that extra defensive talent just might have made the difference at getting to the SB.

So YES our cap problems have had an effect.
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both were overpays

Ware 10 sacks for 10m< Mincey 6 sacks for 1m, DLaw 500k
Hatcher 7m< Crawford 1m, Melton 2m
 
various:
Dez franchise number means nothing because they weren't gonna give him some Carr-like cap deal.
He was always going to cost them this year.
The team has bought into fiscal responsibility.

The team didn't have to let Ware go last year. It was about getting younger, not so much about money.
With the rebuilding job expected it was an easy call... knowing we went 12-4 and made the 2nd round of the playoffs you'd love to have had Ware then.
Maybe we have GB coming here. Who knows but you'd love that double digit sack presence.

Dallas has any number of moves they can make if they want to lower the cap total so right now it is literally whatever they want it to be within a range of about 50 million dollars.

We'll see if Tony really sold Jerry on going for it or not.
Jerry liked last year's young, hungry (super-cheap mostly) defense.
Time will tell but it seems likely he allows Stephen and Will to run a tight ship and grab bargains, not shiny overpriced items.
 
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