cowboys secondary vs. Commanders wr

[SkinsFan26]

We are good until the last two min of the game......then Moss breaks loose

Except when it's 28-0 at halftime, right?

 

[superpunk]

In the past, that maybe true, but things are changing. You're gonna start seeing more and more teams win with FA teams, mark my words.

So what you're saying is, you agree this has never worked. But, you're convinced it will now, merely because of blind faith?

That's called homerism, and you seem to have it in spades.

You would think if the league was trending that way, the really successful teams would be operating that way. But, they're not.

 

[SkinsFan26]

Moss never caught a pass against Newman last year and Newman rarely gets help from FS.

Where Moss got his receptions was against Aaron Glenn. And on all three times it was without safety help. The Skins barely threw Newman's way last season. When they did it was either incomplete or they had the one INT by Newman.

Rich.............

Let's say for your sake that Newman shuts down Santana

Will Lloyd have a career game like last year against the Boys?

And so on...

 

[SkinsFan26]

If Dallas gets a true ball-hawking free safety we'd have the best secondary in football. Hands down.

After the Commanders right?

 

[Tio]

Except when it's 28-0 at halftime, right?

Both skins games are blocked out of my memory...

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not the Commanders have an advantage.

The illegal contact rules give the Commanders that advantage.
Whether slight or huge, it is still an advantage.

Case closed.

 

[Gamebreaker]

you "embarassed" us one year after 8 years of dominating you ....... now who is wishful thinking kid?

You do realize things change...coaches change, rosters change, and that what happened before Joe Gibbs became coach isn't in any shape or way relevant to the here and now?

Again, nothing you've said proves we can't sweep you again next season. Are you going to provide anything interesting to this conversation or just keep putting in laughing smilies that don't reflect your current mood at all? :

 

[superpunk]

Let's say for your sake that Newman shuts down Santana

Will Lloyd have a career game like last year against the Boys?

And so on...

Maybe. Did the 49ers win that game?

Will the Cowboys have the same day offensively they had against the 49ers? After all, you signed Andre Carter.

Any more severely flawed logic you'd like to share?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Can you go into a general NFL message board and say that without getting laughed at? So I guess it was your coaches' idea to keep Newman no where near Santana, right? Or how about Nov. 15, 2004 when he totaled 134 yards and 3 touchdowns on your defense, where was Newman then? If Newman was really a Top 5 corner in this league, who could cover 'anybody', why didn't he?

He did.

Like most CB's in the game, he has a side of the field that he plays and whatever WR lines up his way, he has to play. Almost every defense in the league is that way. Otherwise it forces the defense to have to play man to man the entire time.

If there's anybody being laughed at, it's you.

Rich........

 

[SkinsFan26]

Dr. Z, sports illustrated's NFL analyst, well respected for his player evaluations, ranked Terrence Newman as his #1 corner last year. He allowed no TDs, he allowed 2 catches for 20-somethin yards per game. he was not on Moss, because our corners early in the season played sides of the field, not specific players on the other team.

If you want to troll on another team's board, you really should educate yourself about that team - at least a little bit. Otherwise, you'll continue to look a fool.

There is not a single respectable analyst at SI. Come on man?

Newman is top 10, nothing more. The number 1 player at any position is in the pro bowl. Was Newman in Hawaii?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Newman = Moss

When Newman was on MOss last year, Moss had 1 catch in two games. Now, when Glenn and RW covered him, thats a different story

Henry > Llyod

When healthy, Henry is a top 10 corner. Llyod is a career #2 WR at best.

Glenn = Randle El

Both are small, both are quick, both are a few steps below great players

I'd say its a push

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You do realize things change...coaches change, rosters change, and that what happened before Joe Gibbs became coach isn't in any shape or way relevant to the here and now?

Yes, and go look up Gibbs' career record versus Parcells.

If anything, you could chalk up those two wins as an aberration.

Rich.........

 

[Gamebreaker]

I hope your still posting here after the Boy's beat the skins for the second game this year!

Too bad for you that won't be happening. Now how many sacks will we get on Drew "Statue of Liberty" Bledsoe this time?

 

[Chuck 54]

I'll be honest....your receivers will be very effective against any secondary, including ours....It's unlikely that there will be many plays when Moss, Lloyd, Randal El, and Cooley are all covered....that's a joke.

However, the bottom line is that the QB still has to get the ball to them while they're open, and the OL has to give him time.

Success isn't a give just because you have a very good set of weapons...but it doesn't hurt.

 

[superpunk]

There is not a single respectable analyst at SI. Come on man?

Obviously not. I expected nothing less. I present a credible source, and you dismiss it, because it is DEVASTATING to your argument. Never mind the stats, the fact that he allowed no TDs and 20 yards per game.

Newman is top 10, nothing more. The number 1 player at any position is in the pro bowl. Was Newman in Hawaii?

I see, put all your stock in the pro-bowl. Newsflash, fella. Larry Allen went to the pro-bowl last year. In no way, shape, or form was he the best OG in the NFC last year. You're really gonna need to bone up on your football knowledge if you want to effectively troll here.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

There is not a single respectable analyst at SI. Come on man?

Newman is top 10, nothing more. The number 1 player at any position is in the pro bowl. Was Newman in Hawaii?

Larry Allen made it to Hawaii. La'Roi Glover made it to Hawaii. Do I think they were truly Pro Bowl players?

Guess again.

Rich.......

 

[SkinsFan26]

Maybe. Did the 49ers win that game?

Will the Cowboys have the same day offensively they had against the 49ers? After all, you signed Andre Carter.

Any more severely flawed logic you'd like to share?

My point was that Lloyd blew up the Cowboys without any help at the other WR spot in San Fran. That is with the 49ers offense, an atrocious line, and a horrible QB!

Now, put Lloyd in a Commanders uniform and have Santana, Antwaan, and Cooley playing beside him. The same Santana and Cooley that burnt the Boys last year without any help at the WR position.

Someone is going to break loose.

I don't see how this logic is flawed.

 

[redskinsforever]

So what you're saying is, you agree this has never worked. But, you're convinced it will now, merely because of blind faith?

That's called homerism, and you seem to have it in spades.

You would think if the league was trending that way, the really successful teams would be operating that way. But, they're not.

And you guys don't have FA in key areas? Your QB and perhaps both of your starting WR are from other teams. Every single team has Free agents, it's not just the Commanders.

 

[superpunk]

My point was that Lloyd blew up the Cowboys without any help at the other WR spot in San Fran. That is with the 49ers offense, an atrocious line, and a horrible QB!

Now, put Lloyd in a Commanders uniform and have Santana, Antwaan, and Cooley playing beside him. The same Santana and Cooley that burnt the Boys last year without any help at the WR position.

Someone is going to break loose.

I don't see how this logic is flawed.

It's flawed because you ASSUME Lloyd would have another big day, just because he did before. Never mind the fact that the Cowboys wuold be more familiar with him, more able to game plan, and actually have their defense together for more than two weeks.

 

[Gamebreaker]

You get better by drafting well and signing Free agents to supplement your good drafts. NOT by ignoring the draft, trading picks away, letting your draftees leave, and signing other teams overpriced free agents. Go ahead, look for one example of a team that has had success that way. They don't exist. So go ahead and win the March super bowl every year. The rest of the team's in the league are going with the route that is actually proven to work, while the Skins continue their exciting excercise in futility.

It easy to use that philosophy without ever looking at the actual signings and seeing how they fit into the needs of the team. It's a cop-out.

Detractors always point to the 2000 free agency signings as an example, yet never realize all but one player signed at the time were for the ailing defense. The defense improved from 29th to 5th in the league, the FA signings did their jobs.

Aside from the Archeluta deal, every move that has been made was for a need. Yet some how this is a mistake because the need being supplied is by a veteran and not an unproven rookie? Explain that for me.