cowboys secondary vs. Commanders wr

[redskinsforever]

It's flawed because you ASSUME Lloyd would have another big day, just because he did before. Never mind the fact that the Cowboys wuold be more familiar with him, more able to game plan, and actually have their defense together for more than two weeks.

So that what it was, they didn't have their defense together for too long?

 

[superpunk]

And you guys don't have FA in key areas? Your QB and perhaps both of your starting WR are from other teams. Every single team has Free agents, it's not just the Commanders.

Those are what are called supplemental signings. How many key players do the Skins have that they've drafted? Cooley? Samuels?Sean Taylor?

All teams have free agents. Yes. If you thought I was trying to refute that, I'd suggest some sort of reading course. The model for success is drafting well, and signing FAs to supplement your draft. It is NOT signing Free Agents to fill almost your entire team, while ignoring your teams draft.

Good teams draft well.

Bad teams draft poorly, or not at all.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Detractors always point to the 2000 free agency signings as an example, yet never realize all but one player signed at the time were for the ailing defense. The defense improved from 29th to 5th in the league, the FA signings did their jobs

I actually look at the fact that the since 1999, Super Bowl teams have an average of 16 starters on their roster that were guys they either drafted or signed as an undrafted free agent.

It appears Washington will have, at the most, 7 starters on their that were either drafted or signed as an undrafted free agent.

That's not to say Washington can't go to the Super Bowl, but they would certainly be bucking a big trend.

Rich.........

 

[SkinsFan26]

It's flawed because you ASSUME Lloyd would have another big day, just because he did before. Never mind the fact that the Cowboys wuold be more familiar with him, more able to game plan, and actually have their defense together for more than two weeks.

You're in denial man.

 

[superpunk]

It easy to use that philosophy without ever looking at the actual signings and seeing how they fit into the needs of the team. It's a cop-out.

So years of history, and examples of successful teams, is a cop out? I viewed it more as a trend. But what do I know?

Detractors always point to the 2000 free agency signings as an example, yet never realize all but one player signed at the time were for the ailing defense. The defense improved from 29th to 5th in the league, the FA signings did their jobs.

I could go back, but I'd wager existing players stepping up in Lewis' scheme had alot more to do with that jump than Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders.

Aside from the Archeluta deal, every move that has been made was for a need. Yet some how this is a mistake because the need being supplied is by a veteran and not an unproven rookie? Explain that for me.

The model for success, and continued success, is drafting well, and supplementing the draft with FAs in areas of need you can't address in the draft. No team has succeeded by ignoring the draft, and stocking their team with overhyped, overpriced free agents. The chemistry is not there, and for whatever reason, it doesn't work. Not ever.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Dallas' drafts the last few years:

Roy Williams (Top 3 safety, 2nd best SS)
Terence Newman (Top 10 corner)
Jason Witten (3rd best TE in football)
Julius Jones (Looks to have the talent to be an elite back)
Demarcus Ware (2nd in ROY voting, 2nd among rookies with 8 sacks)
Marcus Spears (In what little time he had, looks like a future star in the 3-4)

Commanders' drafts the last few years:
Sean Taylor (About to go to jail)
Carlos Rogers (aka Toast)
???????

 

[Chocolate Lab]

A mod should perform a random act of kindness and ban Skinsfan26 to save himself from posting more embarrassing stupidity... I'm sure his family would appreciate it.

Besides, he's straight trolling with no intention of debating football intelligently... Or is it that he's unable to do so?

 

[alpha]

I wonder if Skins fans realize our 'Boys finished the '05 season ranked #2 in completion percentage allowed. And that's while playing coverage liabilities like Davis/Pile at FS and Fujita at SOLB.

I also wonder if they are aware that Henry was playing hurt when Lloyd had that career day against him.

I'm sure they understand they've been collecting WRs that have so far proven to be little more than #3 receivers to fill their #2 position. That is one rediculously large bonus, and far too much value in terms of draft picks, for a coupla guys who've never cracked 50 recs. For those kinds of prices it would've been nice if they'd at least been able to land the physical, possession receiver that would have better complimented their undersized burner already on the roster.

If we upgrade FS and/or SOLB and/or are healthy when we meet next, I can't wait to see who's # gets called to go across the middle. I'm sure Roy will be lickin' his chops at the prospect of leveling one of those smurfs.

 

[superpunk]

You're in denial man.

If you say so. I guess it's better to be in denial than to just be plain wrong, but maybe Skins fans view things differently.

 

[cleverusername]

You're in denial man.

You're in denial man. and your in the wrong forum just trying to piss people off. look at the scoeboard from the last 10 years, or last 30 for that matter.... now shush!!!

 

[superpunk]

Dallas' drafts the last few years:

Roy Williams (Top 3 safety, 2nd best SS)
Terence Newman (Top 10 corner)
Jason Witten (3rd best TE in football)
Julius Jones (Looks to have the talent to be an elite back)
Demarcus Ware (2nd in ROY voting, 2nd among rookies with 8 sacks)
Marcus Spears (In what little time he had, looks like a future star in the 3-4)

Commanders' drafts the last few years:
Sean Taylor (About to go to jail)
Carlos Rogers (aka Toast)
???????

Don't leave Cooley out. He's good.

 

[Gamebreaker]

Maybe. Did the 49ers win that game?

Will the Cowboys have the same day offensively they had against the 49ers? After all, you signed Andre Carter.

Any more severely flawed logic you'd like to share?

Speaking of severly flawed logic. Carter will be playing DE for us, not LB, as he did for the Niners last season. He's a much better player when he's playing his natural position, and not one he's never had to play before in his career. Furthermore, would it matter where he played when we got 7 sacks in one game WITHOUT him. Man, this is fun.

 

[Renesis]

I think we have the edge, partly talent, partly the rules that don't let a defensive player breathe hard next to a WR.

How well can your LB's cover(not trying to incite anything, just honestly curious)? You can't forget about Cooley, and to a lesser extent Portis(although Betts is probably more of a threat) out of the backfield.

My concern is the QB position. Brunell was fairly solid last year, but when you're that old, "next year" is a long time as compared to a 27 yr old. Campbell is a wild card. I don't know whats going on there, and can do no more than hope it pans out.

I honestly have no clue how we are going to do next year. I would like to think that we will at minimum improve, but half the fun of being a fan is watching it all play out I suppose.

 

[Taylor_Can_Hit21]

Dallas' drafts the last few years:

Roy Williams (Top 3 safety, 2nd best SS) Hell no! Reed and Polamalu are both better than him...both play SS.
Terence Newman (Top 10 corner) Check
Jason Witten (3rd best TE in football) Top 5
Julius Jones (Looks to have the talent of an average back)
Demarcus Ware (2nd in ROY voting, 2nd among rookies with 8 sacks) should be good
Marcus Spears (In what little time he had, looks like a future star in the 3-4) DT in a 4-3 D sounds good for him.

Commanders' drafts the last few years:
Sean Taylor (no evidence)
Carlos Rogers (aka not toast )
Chris Cooley
Jason Campbell

Thats a bit better.

 

[superpunk]

Speaking of severly flawed logic. Carter will be playing DE for us, not LB, as he did for the Niners last season. He's a much better player when he's playing his natural position, and not one he's never had to play before in his career. Furthermore, would it matter where he played when we got 7 sacks in one game WITHOUT him. Man, this is fun.

7 sacks? Oh, you mean when we were sporting El Toreador Tucker and Pettiti at tackle. It's not like that will be different at all next year.

You're right, slaying trolls is fun.

 

[superpunk]

Thats a bit better.

Yeah, count Campbell. What exactly has he contributed so far?

 

[zrinkill]

ahhh his newest alter ego ......

 

[SkinsFan26]

Dallas' drafts the last few years:

Roy Williams (Top 3 safety, 2nd best SS)
Terence Newman (Top 10 corner)
Jason Witten (3rd best TE in football)
Julius Jones (Looks to have the talent to be an elite back)
Demarcus Ware (2nd in ROY voting, 2nd among rookies with 8 sacks)
Marcus Spears (In what little time he had, looks like a future star in the 3-4)

Commanders' drafts the last few years:
Sean Taylor (About to go to jail)
Carlos Rogers (aka Toast)
???????

2005 (with all players above)

Reg Season
Commanders 2
Cowboys 0

Playoffs
Commanders 1
Cowboys 0

2006 offseason
Commanders 4 good acquisitions
Cowboys maybe 1 (Ayodele)

Commanders moving forward! Cowboys stading still at best.

 

[riggo]

this topic is ridiculous. the skins beat the boys by a combined score of what? 47-20 last year?

the skins did this with ONE WR. they've just added 2 more starters at WR.

this is not tough.

i forgot to mention- 6 passing TD's vs that scary dallas secondary....with ONE WR.

 

[Taylor_Can_Hit21]

Yeah, count Campbell. What exactly has he contributed so far?

Why would you not count him, he was a first round pick and you cant lable him as a "nobody" yet. And on that list, Spears does not deserve to be there.