CowboysFanTalk: If Dak walks, what's the plan?

[FanofJerry]

Purdy is a complete anomaly…they are arguably the luckiest franchise in Sports for a 7th rounder being a pro bowl caliber player but they also have one of the best offensive minds in football and a much talented roster.

If we want to take the rookie QB contract approach that’s fine…but it doesn’t change how incredibly difficult it is to hit on the position.

Which is why its weird that so many posts on here are talking about using a 1st round pick every other year until your find your QB and then use 2nd or 3rd round picks in between.

Cool...stats show you have a slightly better chance of landing a guy with a First round pick...but I would rather do what Cowboys have been doing. Not wasting high picks on crap shoot position....but use it on almost sure fire defenders or WR's. The chance of a 1st round defender or WR not panning out is far lower than a QB.

Why waste up to 4 years of 1st or 2nd round picks looking for a qb when you could have possibly 3 really solid starters. The analytics guys are stuck on this one....and I think the Cowboys approach has been correct on QB's...and I dont care about NFCC or Super Bowls...its a team game...not just a QB.

Id just keep looking in rounds 3 and later for a QB...use 1st and 2nd round picks on players with a higher probability of panning out as a starter.

 

[cnuball21]

Which is why its weird that so many posts on here are talking about using a 1st round pick every other year until your find your QB and then use 2nd or 3rd round picks in between.

Cool...stats show you have a slightly better chance of landing a guy with a First round pick...but I would rather do what Cowboys have been doing. Not wasting high picks on crap shoot position....but use it on almost sure fire defenders or WR's. The chance of a 1st round defender or WR not panning out is far lower than a QB.

Why waste up to 4 years of 1st or 2nd round picks looking for a qb when you could have possibly 3 really solid starters. The analytics guys are stuck on this one....and I think the Cowboys approach has been correct on QB's...and I dont care about NFCC or Super Bowls...its a team game...not just a QB.

Id just keep looking in rounds 3 and later for a QB...use 1st and 2nd round picks on players with a higher probability of panning out as a starter.

Well I don’t think any team has the luxury of using a 1st on a QB multiple times over the course of a decade. You have to allow for development and you’re liking using 1st to move up to get your guy.

Completely unrealistic.

 

[FanofJerry]

Well I don’t think any team has the luxury of using a 1st on a QB multiple times over the course of a decade. You have to allow for development and you’re liking using 1st to move up to get your guy.

Completely unrealistic.

I have seen the same post around here a few times...

"Use a 1st every 3 years on a QB, and use a 2nd during the in between years until you find your QB"

A first or second every year on a QB is stupid, imo.

I think the NFL has it wrong when looking at QB's. I think coaches can ruin a player...because they are paid to teach and they have to bring something to the table to feel like they are doing their job. Sometimes...a player just doesnt need to be messed with. How many coaches in older years would tell Mahomes not to sidearm...yet Mahomes makes killer plays with that throw? The coach would take away a playmaking tool from the QB because he thinks he is the coach and is superior to the player.

You have to find guys with a feel for the game...not measurements. QB's who can read a field and play make...not players that fit a desired mold like "pocket passer". There are certain traits that help a qb and fit NFL systems...but I think teams need to look for for guys that have active eyes downfield. Maybe take a player that can read multiple check downs but doesnt have josh allen arm...instead of taking the 6'5 guy with measurements and arm.

He may not pan out, he went #1 overall....but it was obvious to a casual that USC guy has something different than most QB's when you watch him....his eyes are constantly looking downfield for a play even when he is being hurried....eyes downfield. He also has great pocket awareness while his eyes are downfield. Very Mahomes-ish. I would look for guys like this over measurements or arm. Obviously you would have to watch game tape and verify that the QB makes good decisions too.

 

[cnuball21]

I have seen the same post around here a few times...

"Use a 1st every 3 years on a QB, and use a 2nd during the in between years until you find your QB"

A first or second every year on a QB is stupid, imo.

I think the NFL has it wrong when looking at QB's. I think coaches can ruin a player...because they are paid to teach and they have to bring something to the table to feel like they are doing their job. Sometimes...a player just doesnt need to be messed with. How many coaches in older years would tell Mahomes not to sidearm...yet Mahomes makes killer plays with that throw? The coach would take away a playmaking tool from the QB because he thinks he is the coach and is superior to the player.

You have to find guys with a feel for the game...not measurements. QB's who can read a field and play make...not players that fit a desired mold like "pocket passer". There are certain traits that help a qb and fit NFL systems...but I think teams need to look for for guys that have active eyes downfield. Maybe take a player that can read multiple check downs but doesnt have josh allen arm...instead of taking the 6'5 guy with measurements and arm.

He may not pan out, he went #1 overall....but it was obvious to a casual that USC guy has something different than most QB's when you watch him....his eyes are constantly looking downfield for a play even when he is being hurried....eyes downfield. He also has great pocket awareness while his eyes are downfield. Very Mahomes-ish. I would look for guys like this over measurements or arm. Obviously you would have to watch game tape and verify that the QB makes good decisions too.

Yea, that’s a wild take that is completely unrealistic IMO.

I think you either have a franchise QB that you have to pay and do everything you can loading up the roster with talent to go all in…knowing you’ll be in cap hell towards the end of that contract.

Or you try to build around a rookie QB.

This team has shown they are completely inept at building a championship roster while the QB is getting paid so I’m open to trying option 2. I just think fans needs to be realistic with their expectations as history shows it how hard it is to get league average QB play let alone Dak level.

 

[FanofJerry]

Yea, that’s a wild take that is completely unrealistic IMO.

I think you either have a franchise QB that you have to pay and do everything you can loading up the roster with talent to go all in…knowing you’ll be in cap hell towards the end of that contract.

Or you try to build around a rookie QB.

This team has shown they are completely inept at building a championship roster while the QB is getting paid so I’m open to trying option 2. I just think fans needs to be realistic with their expectations as history shows it how hard it is to get league average QB play let alone Dak level.

You think Dallas didnt have talent this past year? I think they did...and Dak was getting paid.

I think Will McClay and scouting department does a good job of providing talent.

Other than a few questionable contracts...what is Dallas doing wrong while a QB is getting paid? Not active in Free Agency? Genuinely curious. I think injuries hurt Dallas this year...that they had Championship talent with a QB getting paid. Diggs, Van Der Esche and Overshown injuries paralyzed their plans on defense.

 

[cnuball21]

You think Dallas didnt have talent this past year? I think they did...and Dak was getting paid.

I think Will McClay and scouting department does a good job of providing talent.

Other than a few questionable contracts...what is Dallas doing wrong while a QB is getting paid? Not active in Free Agency? Genuinely curious. I think injuries hurt Dallas this year...that they had Championship talent with a QB getting paid. Diggs, Van Der Esche and Overshown injuries paralyzed their plans on defense.

In comparison to the championship caliber teams in the NFL? No, not at all.

- Not enough weapons in O
- Ineffcient run game
- Below average front 7

 

[Hawkeye0202]

You do the math, pay Dak $65M or Trey Lance as you suggest $38M. That's substantial savings and I doubt will be much of a drop in performance. Let Dak walk and stop paying his extortion money.

Joe, listen to me (lol) ...there is no way on God's green earth ANY team will pay Trey Lance $38M next season.

 

[diamonddelts]

You think Dallas didnt have talent this past year? I think they did...and Dak was getting paid.

I think Will McClay and scouting department does a good job of providing talent.

Other than a few questionable contracts...what is Dallas doing wrong while a QB is getting paid? Not active in Free Agency? Genuinely curious. I think injuries hurt Dallas this year...that they had Championship talent with a QB getting paid. Diggs, Van Der Esche and Overshown injuries paralyzed their plans on defense.

Championship talent? Lmao. Um, no.

 

[FanofJerry]

Championship talent? Lmao. Um, no.

Only one team a year does.

Dallas had enough talent with a high paid QB.

Dallas can put talent on the field through the draft.

Running back situation and run blocking was an issue. That matters in post-season. But I dont think Dallas was lacking tons of talent...to the point of suggesting their talent was laughable. But try and mind control me.

 

[cnuball21]

Only one team a year does.

Dallas had enough talent with a high paid QB.

Dallas can put talent on the field through the draft.

Running back situation and run blocking was an issue. That matters in post-season. But I dont think Dallas was lacking tons of talent...to the point of suggesting their talent was laughable. But try and mind control me.

We really did not…good enough to win double digit games and go to the playoffs? Sure. Good enough to be a legit contender?

Look at the high end NFL teams and what they have:

- 2/3 High end weapons (we have 1)
- Efficient running game come playoffs (we do not)
- A defense capable of being competitive against playoff teams (we got throttled against high end Os all season)

Our team is fun and we’ve got some great players at a few skill positions but it is NOT a championship contending roster.

 

[FanofJerry]

We really did not…good enough to win double digit games and go to the playoffs? Sure. Good enough to be a legit contender?

Look at the high end NFL teams and what they have:

- 2/3 High end weapons (we have 1)
- Efficient running game come playoffs (we do not)
- A defense capable of being competitive against playoff teams (we got throttled against high end Os all season)

Our team is fun and we’ve got some great players at a few skill positions but it is NOT a championship contending roster.

i dont think our talent is as bad as suggested here.

I think Dallas has been all in on the passing game since the league officiates in favor of offense. if that means Dallas has slacked at run game...it is what it is. I think Dallas could build a strong run game if it wanted to...this draft seems to suggest they can get maulers if they want to.

Running back and blocking scheme seemed lacking. We were undersized at linebacker due to injuries. Our D-Tackle situation seems to be an issue every year.

We can agree to disagree about the talent. I think Dallas can get the players you wish for if you provided a list. I think they have their own plan. So be it that they havent won it all with their plan...it isnt easy.

My opinion is that we can put talent on the field which is why we always have lots of pro bowlers usually.

 

[JoeKing]

Joe, listen to me (lol) ...there is no way on God's green earth ANY team will pay Trey Lance $38M next season.

Except the one owned by Jerry Jones.

 

[cnuball21]

i dont think our talent is as bad as suggested here.

I think Dallas has been all in on the passing game since the league officiates in favor of offense. if that means Dallas has slacked at run game...it is what it is. I think Dallas could build a strong run game if it wanted to...this draft seems to suggest they can get maulers if they want to.

Running back and blocking scheme seemed lacking. We were undersized at linebacker due to injuries. Our D-Tackle situation seems to be an issue every year.

We can agree to disagree about the talent. I think Dallas can get the players you wish for if you provided a list. I think they have their own plan. So be it that they havent won it all with their plan...it isnt easy.

My opinion is that we can put talent on the field which is why we always have lots of pro bowlers usually.

Thats fine if you disagree…and we can even kick run game to the side.

Teams like KC, Bal, SF, Philly etc all have better weapons than we do and have defenses that have showed up in the playoffs before when the Os needed them.

 

[john van brocklin]

Plan? What's a plan? The Dallas Cowboys know not of this word...

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[FanofJerry]

Thats fine if you disagree…and we can even kick run game to the side.

Teams like KC, Bal, SF, Philly etc all have better weapons than we do and have defenses that have showed up in the playoffs before when the Os needed them.

SF doesn't have a higher paid Qb. Kc seems to be able to maneuver easier due to the 10 year qb contract.

So dallas is one of better teams with high paid Qb.

Baltimore supposedly drafts well like dallas

 

[Bing]

My plan? Well I'm not sure what anyone else's plan is but the minute Dallas rids themselves of Dak I'm having a party

 

[cnuball21]

SF doesn't have a higher paid Qb. Kc seems to be able to maneuver easier due to the 10 year qb contract.

So dallas is one of better teams with high paid Qb.

Baltimore supposedly drafts well like dallas

Im talking about rosters with enough talent to make a legit run.

QB price tag aside, those rosters I mentioned are much better positioned to win a championship. We are not.

And this isn’t a “bc we pay Dak so much thing.” That’s a false narrative.

 

[Mikexike]

SF doesn't have a higher paid Qb. Kc seems to be able to maneuver easier due to the 10 year qb contract.

So dallas is one of better teams with high paid Qb.

Baltimore supposedly drafts well like dallas

I don't believe the talent the cowboys have is a problem, Its more of a coaching problem... Bal is kind of in the same boat as us. How do you not run the ball in the playoffs when you have the best run game.

 

[FanofJerry]

I don't believe the talent the cowboys have is a problem, Its more of a coaching problem... Bal is kind of in the same boat as us. How do you not run the ball in the playoffs when you have the best run game.

Ive been saying we have a coaching problem. But the narrative is to blame one guy on a team because of some secondary, market supply/demand issue...its lazy.

Our coaching is not preparing us for playoff success...not because of lack of talent or because of some high paid player.

Our main problem is we flop in the playoffs...as a whole team. Not because of Dak, his pay and lack of players because of his play. We have talent.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You think Dallas didnt have talent this past year? I think they did...and Dak was getting paid.

I think Will McClay and scouting department does a good job of providing talent.

Other than a few questionable contracts...what is Dallas doing wrong while a QB is getting paid? Not active in Free Agency? Genuinely curious. I think injuries hurt Dallas this year...that they had Championship talent with a QB getting paid. Diggs, Van Der Esche and Overshown injuries paralyzed their plans on defense.

LBs were talented? that's news to me? our safties talented? our DTs? wow, thanks for clarifying that for me.