Crayton on 103.3 sounding off on previous coaches

[Hostile]

This season there are 7 teams with new Head Coaches.

Cowboys
Cardinals
Falcons
Raiders
Chargers
Steelers
Dolphins

I hope I am not forgetting a team.

I do not see where players from any of those other teams are squawking about the previous coaching regimes with the sole exception of word of friction between Cowher and Roethlisberger.

Maybe, just maybe that ought to sink in a little bit?

 

[Doomsday101]

I really don't care if the players like the coach or not. Tom Landry was not loved by all players some had real issues with him. What I care about is the players producing. Crayton did not seem to like the way things were done but yet was able to go out and do his job that is what he is here to do and what he did. As for Phillips I'm glad the players seem to like him and his style but in the end it comes down to the players going out and producing and getting the job done.

 

[iceberg]

You've also had a bunch of players saying they missed his style of coaching. Romo and Ferguson jumps to mind immediately. They were more diplomatic in it, in the fact they said they can still flourish in this new system and style, but what did you expect them to say, oh yeah, we're REALLY screwed now.

Also, you don't have guys that DID perform well (besides Crayton) coming out and saying, damn Parcells! I mean, Newman didn't mind, Ware didn't seem to mind, Witten or Glenn. TO seemed to mind, but TO is TO and will say anything to keep the mic in front of his face.

Anyways, the real test would be when the first loss comes, then we'll see how effective Phillips is.

yea, you *will* have the diplomatic ones out there who can and will phrase it better. kinda how it works.

53 players.
10% will do this
20% will do this
40% will do this
20% will do this
10% will do this

it all breaks down nice and easy to a graph i'm sure. but instead of just realizing people are different so they can and will act differently, we have to get all upset at the % who does it the way we don't like vs. just accepting that's the way it works. *no one* is really right or wrong in this but people get so bull headed that *their* way isn't getting enough props or *their guy* is under attack it doles out some silly arguments.

i'm glad people flourished under BP - i never said it wouldn't happen. i did say some will, some won't and for some it just doesn't matter now does it?

 

[Zaxor]

Of course you're right. What could any of these guys possibly know? They only have synapses that fire, were all fairly successful college students and team leaders, good character guys of whom many were team captains. Not to mention the fact they are actually involved in these practices, training regimens, and all the other team functions. There is no possible, plausible way for them to have a point. The owner neither.

Fools, the lot of them.

Thanks for being the voice of reason.

:laugh1: Hos thanks for making my day my friend

 

[iceberg]

This season there are 7 teams with new Head Coaches.

Cowboys
Cardinals
Falcons
Raiders
Chargers
Steelers
Dolphins

I hope I am not forgetting a team.

I do not see where players from any of those other teams are squawking about the previous coaching regimes with the sole exception of word of friction between Cowher and Roethlisberger.

Maybe, just maybe that ought to sink in a little bit?

to the ardent bp supporter, it won't sink in anywhere. it will hit a lead shield and the lack of comprehension in how things can and will work under extreme conditions will come out.

parcells for all his good and bad points, *is* an extreme condition by his nature. with him gone now i don't hate him, don't care much about him, and have no real personal vendetta against him.

i did say that parcells would eventually leave and never win a playoff game and people thought i was nuts and "noted" it - but i never saw those people come back. : )

he's gone and it's over. for all the whiners the players are doing i wish the fans would quit whining about their whining, but hey, that's what we do these days.

 

[AbeBeta]

Of course you're right. What could any of these guys possibly know? They only have synapses that fire, were all fairly successful college students and team leaders, good character guys of whom many were team captains. Not to mention the fact they are actually involved in these practices, training regimens, and all the other team functions. There is no possible, plausible way for them to have a point. The owner neither.

Fools, the lot of them.

Thanks for being the voice of reason.

Most couples are very happy on their honeymoon.

Does that mean they stay happy?

 

[Royal Laegotti]

that playcalling was sometimes more not to lose than to win (and he said it cost them some games)

Well that's interesting, because I heard Tony Sparano on GAC or was it Jen Jen, the other day, anyway Sparano said that he called every play last year. Sparano is now the Asst. HC of the Cowboys, so Crayton probably isn't making friends with him now with these comments. Hope that doesn't cause any problems between Sparano and Crayton.

It's really just better to keep your mouth shut Crayton, I like you, but just don't make controversial answers to the media's questions, that goes for the whole team.

 

[firehawk350]

i'm glad people flourished under BP - i never said it wouldn't happen. i did say some will, some won't and for some it just doesn't matter now does it?

In the same vein, can't we tell something about those players that didn't? I mean, if they wilt under harsh criticism, do they have the mental make-up to play such a competitive and rough sport at it's highest level? Maybe they got by on pure physical talents and could dominate at lower levels but now, they just don't seem to be able to handle the pressure so well.

 

[Hostile]

:laugh1: Hos thanks for making my day my friend

My pleasure.

 

[Jarv]

I really don't care if the players like the coach or not. Tom Landry was not loved by all players some had real issues with him. What I care about is the players producing. Crayton did not seem to like the way things were done but yet was able to go out and do his job that is what he is here to do and what he did. As for Phillips I'm glad the players seem to like him and his style but in the end it comes down to the players going out and producing and getting the job done.

Tom Landry was 10 times the coach that BP was/is.

Tom was inovative on both sides (Flex D and shotgun, etc.) of the ball and flexible in coaching his player like Roger and Tony D. BP is vanilla and can be out schemed, like having Ware is pass coverage due to OC's scheming formations to make him drop in coverage.

 

[Vintage]

What happened to "let your game do the talking?"

Oh wait.

Our team couldn't let their game do the talking.

(Zing! I wonder how many other shots I can take)

 

[AbeBeta]

and attend meetings.
and talk to the coaching staff
and talk to former players for these coaches
and work out under the new coaches
and get to know them as people

when we have a management change at work (yearly it seems) we can figure out what's coming by the past history of who's coming our way now. you know who cares and you know who doesn't. we can figure out in a few days what life is gonna be like under the changes, it doesn't take a quarterly report and financial results for the year to let us know what's going on or what we thought of previous management.

some people just get too defensive of pet people.

Tell me, when you have management changes at work, do the folks on the way out seem to take a ton of blame - often to the point where everyone is using them to cover even for their own shortcomings. I sure know that is my work experience.

 

[Hostile]

Most couples are very happy on their honeymoon.

Does that mean they stay happy?

I have no idea what point you want to make with this.

Bad analogy.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I heard it too ChocolateLab.

What got my ears perked was when he said that the offense had some reins put on it and it actually cost them some games.

That is the same offense that averaged 27 points a game and was ranked 5th overall.

Be interesting to see how they will fare in 2007 with the reins off.

IF that indeed was the case, then I say "Getcha Popcorn Ready..." :laugh2:

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Well that's interesting, because I heard Tony Sparano on GAC or was it Jen Jen, the other day, anyway Sparano said that he called every play last year. Sparano is now the Asst. HC of the Cowboys, so Crayton probably isn't making friends with him now with these comments. Hope that doesn't cause any problems between Sparano and Crayton.

Game planning and play calling are two very different things. Sparano still had to stay within the overall plan Parcells wanted.

I'm not saying he's totally right, because we did score a lot of points last year. I'm sure offensive players want to be full-throttle all the time.

To me there is a line between whining and blaming everything on someone else, and being candid. Should the players just always say, "No comment"?

 

[Hostile]

In the same vein, can't we tell something about those players that didn't? I mean, if they wilt under harsh criticism, do they have the mental make-up to play such a competitive and rough sport at it's highest level? Maybe they got by on pure physical talents and could dominate at lower levels but now, they just don't seem to be able to handle the pressure so well.

Wishful thinking is good, but if I were you I wouldn't get my hopes too high.

 

[AbeBeta]

I have no idea what point you want to make with this.

Bad analogy.

The analogy is that the players haven't experienced enough with Phillips to make a reasonable comparison - you think they do. I don't. Players loved BP when he got here too.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Game planning and play calling are two very different things. Sparano still had to stay within the overall plan Parcells wanted.

I'm not saying he's totally right, because we did score a lot of points last year. I'm sure offensive players want to be full-throttle all the time.

To me there is a line between whining and blaming everything on someone else, and being candid. Should the players just always say, "No comment"?

There are ways to BS your way around a question without being controversial. Heck politicians make millions by doing this.

Honestly though, I guess I'd have to hear the interview and hear what questions they asked him.

Just hope Crayton isn't urinating in his own cereal!

 

[iceberg]

In the same vein, can't we tell something about those players that didn't? I mean, if they wilt under harsh criticism, do they have the mental make-up to play such a competitive and rough sport at it's highest level? Maybe they got by on pure physical talents and could dominate at lower levels but now, they just don't seem to be able to handle the pressure so well.

different people react differently to different people. who thrived under parcells may sink under phillips. it also goes the other way around.

the biggest mistake is when people tend to think someone will act the same regardless of the environment they're in.

 

[Hostile]

The analogy is that the players haven't experienced enough with Phillips to make a reasonable comparison - you think they do. I don't. Players loved BP when he got here too.

Okay, so here's a marriage thought to follow along.

You're happy on your honeymoon after you've exchanged vows to each other.

The other person (Parcells) did not live up to his vows. The players have no right to be unhappy now that the marriage is over?

If the vows are kept, then players should be happy. That's how marriage works.

Dude? Are you kidding me?

If it was 1 player I could shrug it off. Especially if it was just TO, who is notorius for opening his festering gob. It isn't just one player and it is high character guys plus the owner. Open your eyes.

Something has to have been a bit off for this many players to speak their minds. Maybe it's not all on Parcells or Haley. I seriously doubt it is. But to just off handedly say it is "unintelligent" to give this any credence is absurd.