Cutting Dez is a Huge Mistake

[KJJ]

Be that as it may, Bryant's production the past 2 seasons HAS NOT been anywhere close to the cost of the cap hit he had and is no longer worth a cap hit of 16.5 mil for 2018 and 2019 if he was still here. You need to stop seeing Bryant as the receiver he was prior to 2015 and see those numbers he has had since no long warrants the cost of keeping him.
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I don’t see Dez as the receiver he was prior to 2015 but he was still the best, most talented receiver we had. None of the free agents we signed are as good as him. Once you get past Zeke there’s really no other players on this team that excite anyone. In the past few years Jerry has gotten rid of Ware, Romo and Dez who’ve put a lot of butts in the seats, despite some disappointing seasons. If you don’t have some players on your team worth paying to see you better be winning games. The Cowboys currently have one of the weakest receiving corps in the entire league. I would rather have the Browns receivers than what we have. Cutting Dez could end up blowing up in the organizations face.

We’ve done absolutely nothing so far this offseason to make any strides on Philly. If anything we’ve taken a step back. All we’ve done is make ourselves easier to defend on offense. Load the box, stop Zeke and force Dak to win games. That’s going to be everyone’s game plan against us. Unless one of these receivers has on Miles Austin breakout year or we draft a rookie receiver who has a great first year, the 2018 season could be a long one. We better have a GREAT draft next week.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I don’t see Dez as the receiver he was prior to 2015 but he was still the best, most talented receiver we had. None of the free agents we signed are as good as him. Once you get past Zeke there’s really no other players on this team that excite anyone. In the past few years Jerry has gotten rid of Ware, Romo and Dez who’ve put a lot of butts in the seats, despite some disappointing seasons. If you don’t have some players on your team worth paying to see you better be winning games. The Cowboys currently have one of the weakest receiving corps in the entire league. I would rather have the Browns receivers than what we have. Cutting Dez could end up blowing up in the organizations face.

We’ve done absolutely nothing so far this offseason to make any strides on Philly. If anything we’ve taken a step back. All we’ve done is make ourselves easier to defend on offense. Load the box, stop Zeke and force Dak to win games. That’s going to be everyone’s game plan against us. Unless one of these receivers has on Miles Austin breakout year or we draft a rookie receiver who has a great first year, the 2018 season could be a long one. We better have a GREAT draft next week.

First off no player plays forever. The Bryant lovers keep bring up Ware and Romo who's departures were COMPLETELY different that Bryant's. Ware was released because of fear that he would miss more games than play because of injury and for his salary they decided to release him. He was not like Bryant who numbers diminished the previous seasons, Ware still played at a high level when he played. He signed with denver and did miss games every season he was there. Romo after having several injuries his last 5 years, one very serious, he was given the chance to continue his career as a backup at the same salary where his back issues may have never been tested. He was contacted by CBS about going to the booth. Romo told Jones that is what he was going to do so in early April Jones released Romo and just hours later he signed with CBS even though there were offers from 2 teams to play for them. Romo later said that for his long term health and being able to spend more time with his family he decided it was time to quit playing football and move on to the booth.

Now Bryant, the only numbers that didn't go down the past couple of seasons was his drops, which he lead the league on last season, and fumbles and temper tantrums all of which went up. He didn't have a single 100 plus yard game in all of 2017 and he's supposed to be still an elite #1 receiver - not even close. He WAS supposed to be a #1 receiver but spent a large part of last season in single coverage, elite receivers don't get single coverage and still couldn't get separation or get anything but drop numbers to go up. Having a 16.5 cap hit for a very under preforming supposed #1 receiver is a foolish business decision.
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[G2]

We’ve done absolutely nothing so far this offseason to make any strides on Philly.

Not true.

 

[KJJ]

Not true.

What have we done so far that’s made us a better team than last year? Our defense ranked higher than our offense last season and we just cut our best receiver. Do you believe Dak has reached the stage where he can make receivers better? If the two receivers we added put up the same numbers they did last season we’re in deep trouble offensively. We have to start making plays down the field. The only real chance we have to get better is the draft. We’re banking on the draft.

 

[G2]

What have we done so far that’s made us a better team than last year? Our defense ranked higher than our offense last season and we just cut our best receiver. Do you believe Dak has reached the stage where he can make receivers better? If the two receivers we added put up the same numbers they did last season we’re in deep trouble offensively. We have to start making plays down the field. The only real chance we have to get better is the draft. We’re banking on the draft.

Now you've changed your statement. First you said we've done absolutely nothing in this offseason. which isn't true.
Stop repeating the same crap about the WR's that you have a dozen times. You keep phrasing things as if they won't do better. You don't know that, you're simply using what 2 different WRs did in 2 different situations and saying it can't get better here.

 

[KJJ]

First off no player plays forever. The Bryant lovers keep bring up Ware and Romo who's departures were COMPLETELY different that Bryant's. Ware was released because of fear that he would miss more games than play because of injury and for his salary they decided to release him. He was not like Bryant who numbers diminished the previous seasons, Ware still played at a high level when he played. He signed with denver and did miss games every season he was there. Romo after having several injuries his last 5 years, one very serious, he was given the chance to continue his career as a backup at the same salary where his back issues may have never been tested. He was contacted by CBS about going to the booth. Romo told Jones that is what he was going to do so in early April Jones released Romo and just hours later he signed with CBS even though there were offers from 2 teams to play for them. Romo later said that for his long term health and being able to spend more time with his family he decided it was time to quit playing football and move on to the booth.

Now Bryant, the only numbers that didn't go down the past couple of seasons was his drops, which he lead the league on last season, and fumbles and temper tantrums all of which went up. He didn't have a single 100 plus yard game in all of 2017 and he's supposed to be still an elite #1 receiver - not even close. He WAS supposed to be a #1 receiver but spent a large part of last season in single coverage, elite receivers don't get single coverage and still couldn't get separation or get anything but drop numbers to go up. Having a 16.5 cap hit for a very under preforming supposed #1 receiver is a foolish business decision.
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Releasing Ware was a mistake and I said so the day it went down. He went on the record 17 sacks and some of those were in the playoffs that helped Denver win the Super Bowl. In 2014 we had 7 fewer sacks and a number of fewer pressures. Our lack of a pass rush got us beat in the playoffs. As for Romo he would have kept playing had the Cowboys not cut him. He said his heart was with the Cowboys. Dak has potential but he doesn’t make receivers better like Romo did and he doesn’t throw his receivers open like Romo. We can’t win with the running game every week, we have to become a better passing team. We have to get the ball down the field.

The numbers Dak and our receivers put up last season aren’t going to get it done. Dak has great potential but he’s has to take a big step forward in 2018 or a lot of fingers will be pointing at him. I don’t see where we’ve helped him out by cutting Dez and adding Hurns and Thompson. If those two receivers put up the same numbers they did last season we’ll win 8 games at best. Dez had more TDs last season than both of them combined. If we lose Zeke to an injury or another suspension this offense is dead! He’s the only player that scares anyone. We were AWFUL without him last season. Looking at this roster we look like a 500 team at best. The Cowboys are banking on a GREAT draft.

 

[KJJ]

Now you've changed your statement. First you said we've done absolutely nothing in this offseason. which isn't true.
Stop repeating the same crap about the WR's that you have a dozen times. You keep phrasing things as if they won't do better. You don't know that, you're simply using what 2 different WRs did in 2 different situations and saying it can't get better here.

I’m not changing anything you’re just looking for an argument as usual. Anything sensible is crap to you. I never said those receivers can’t get better here but they won’t unless we add some wrinkles to the offense and Dak improves. It’s going to be hard for any receiver to produce in a dink and dunk offense that features the running game. Dak isn’t going to make receivers better he wants percise routes. Dak isn’t going to throw his receivers open and he’s not going to take a lot of chances. Right now he’s a game manager without a big play threat at WR. This is an average receiving corp.

 

[G2]

Releasing Ware was a mistake and I said so the day it went down. He went on the record 17 sacks and some of those were in the playoffs that helped Denver win the Super Bowl. In 2014 we had 7 fewer sacks and a number of fewer pressures. Our lack of a pass rush got us beat in the playoffs. As for Romo he would have kept playing had the Cowboys not cut him. He said his heart was with the Cowboys. Dak has potential but he doesn’t make receivers better like Romo did and he doesn’t throw his receivers open like Romo. We can’t win with the running game every week, we have to become a better passing team. We have to get the ball down the field.

The numbers Dak and our receivers put up last season aren’t going to get it done. Dak has great potential but he’s has to take a big step forward in 2018 or a lot of fingers will be pointing at him. I don’t see where we’ve helped him out by cutting Dez and adding Hurns and Thompson. If those two receivers put up the same numbers they did last season we’ll win 8 games at best. Dez had more TDs last season than both of them combined. If we lose Zeke to an injury or another suspension this offense is dead! He’s the only player that scares anyone. We were AWFUL without him last season. Looking at this roster we look like a 500 team at best. The Cowboys are banking on a GREAT draft.

dez needs a QB at the very least like Romo. Or better in regard to the slinging jump balls. He was helped throughout his career. Dak isn't the same QB, he needs players to be at a particular spot. Addition by subtraction. Bring in players that won't rock the boat and have a common goal. We're not a system that will throw for 5,000 yards.

 

[G2]

I’m not changing anything you’re just looking for an argument as usual. Anything sensible is crap to you. I never said those receivers can’t get better here but they won’t unless we add some wrinkles to the offense and Dak improves. It’s going to be hard for any receiver to produce in a dink and dunk offense that features the running game. Dak isn’t going to make receivers better he wants percise routes. Dak isn’t going to throw his receivers open and he’s not going to take a lot of chances. Right now he’s a game manager without a big play threat at WR.

there's no argument. I'm just stating you changed your statement. It's not a big deal, you are all in on Dez and don't think Dak can "throw open" WR's. Which I disagree with and have countless times seen it happen. But whatever.
Chalk it up as agree to disagree.

 

[KJJ]

there's no argument. I'm just stating you changed your statement. It's not a big deal, you are all in on Dez and don't think Dak can "throw open" WR's. Which I disagree with and have countless times seen it happen. But whatever.
Chalk it up as agree to disagree.

I didn’t change any statement that’s your spin. If you can’t comprehend my posts or have a agenda to twist comments that’s on you.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Releasing Ware was a mistake and I said so the day it went down. He went on the record 17 sacks and some of those were in the playoffs that helped Denver win the Super Bowl. In 2014 we had 7 fewer sacks and a number of fewer pressures. Our lack of a pass rush got us beat in the playoffs. As for Romo he would have kept playing had the Cowboys not cut him. He said his heart was with the Cowboys. Dak has potential but he doesn’t make receivers better like Romo did and he doesn’t throw his receivers open like Romo. We can’t win with the running game every week, we have to become a better passing team. We have to get the ball down the field.

The numbers Dak and our receivers put up last season aren’t going to get it done. Dak has great potential but he’s has to take a big step forward in 2018 or a lot of fingers will be pointing at him. I don’t see where we’ve helped him out by cutting Dez and adding Hurns and Thompson. If those two receivers put up the same numbers they did last season we’ll win 8 games at best. Dez had more TDs last season than both of them combined. If we lose Zeke to an injury or another suspension this offense is dead! He’s the only player that scares anyone. We were AWFUL without him last season. Looking at this roster we look like a 500 team at best. The Cowboys are banking on a GREAT draft.

First I said that when Ware played he still played at a high level. It was just concerns that he wouldn't be able to play every game which he didn't in Denver. Romo, as big a fan I was/is of him many criticized him for some risky throws. Prescott has shown that he doesn't throw those as evidence the few he threw in 2016. Yes Prescott has to get back to at least 2016 form or better, but to use Prescott as the excuse for Bryant getting cut is foolish at best. His production had dropped by a lot since 2014 and he no longer was worth a 16.5 cap hit. Simple as that. A good receiver catches the ball regardless who throws it and the only numbers that went up for Bryant was drops.
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[G2]

I didn’t change any statement that’s your spin. If you can’t comprehend my posts or like twisting my comments that’s on you.

Saying "we did absolutely nothing" is NOT the same thing as saying "what have we done so far to be better than last year."

 

[Jake]

Releasing Ware was a mistake and I said so the day it went down. He went on the record 17 sacks and some of those were in the playoffs that helped Denver win the Super Bowl. In 2014 we had 7 fewer sacks and a number of fewer pressures. Our lack of a pass rush got us beat in the playoffs. As for Romo he would have kept playing had the Cowboys not cut him. He said his heart was with the Cowboys. Dak has potential but he doesn’t make receivers better like Romo did and he doesn’t throw his receivers open like Romo. We can’t win with the running game every week, we have to become a better passing team. We have to get the ball down the field.

The numbers Dak and our receivers put up last season aren’t going to get it done. Dak has great potential but he’s has to take a big step forward in 2018 or a lot of fingers will be pointing at him. I don’t see where we’ve helped him out by cutting Dez and adding Hurns and Thompson. If those two receivers put up the same numbers they did last season we’ll win 8 games at best. Dez had more TDs last season than both of them combined. If we lose Zeke to an injury or another suspension this offense is dead! He’s the only player that scares anyone. We were AWFUL without him last season. Looking at this roster we look like a 500 team at best. The Cowboys are banking on a GREAT draft.

You can't talk about Ware and Dez while ignoring the salary cap. Check that, you can but it's not a valid argument. Their releases weren't simply "we'll be better without them" and that's that. It comes down to cost vs benefit.

In a non-capped world these scenarios probably play out differently. But ignoring the implications of it and going "See? I told you!" isn't proving anything to anyone. It's more like stating the obvious.

 

[Fletch]

For the Official Record

This is a gigantic mistake...... should have learned from DWare....... could have saved almost as much with a simple restructure

He could have been traded at worst....he will sign elsewhere quickly and he will play for 5-6 more years like ABoldin

Says the dude with a Dez avatar. I doubt that... and Dez is no Anquan who ran precise routes, won a Super Bowl.

 

[G2]

The staff clearly felt they were concerned with Ware playing an entire season. It's easy to use hindsight and say it was a mistake, but he had a better defense in Denver. And we needed the change to get better.

 

[KJJ]

First I said that when Ware played he still played at a high level. It was just concerns that he wouldn't be able to play every game which he didn't in Denver. Romo, as big a fan I was/is of him many criticized him for some risky throws. Prescott has shown that he doesn't throw those as evidence the few he threw in 2016. Yes Prescott has to get back to at least 2016 form or better, but to use Prescott as the excuse for Bryant getting cut is foolish at best. His production had dropped by a lot since 2014 and he no longer was worth a 16.5 cap hit. Simple as that. A good receiver catches the ball regardless who throws it and the only numbers that went up for Bryant was drops.
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I never used Dak as an excuse for Dez getting cut but Dez’s decline in production wasn’t all on him. He and Dak don’t fit each others games. A smart team would have done some different things with Dez. We could have put him in the slot where he was very effective as a rookie. A well coached team and a solid veteran QB is going to get a lot more out of him than we did.

 

[G2]

I wonder if Dez is going to be ok being the No. 2 WR.

 

[KJJ]

Saying "we did absolutely nothing" is NOT the same thing as saying "what have we done so far to be better than last year."

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

[G2]

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

No one is making you take down your Dez fathead, don't worry little buddy!

 

[KJJ]

You can't talk about Ware and Dez while ignoring the salary cap. Check that, you can but it's not a valid argument. Their releases weren't simply "we'll be better without them" and that's that. It comes down to cost vs benefit.

In a non-capped world these scenarios probably play out differently. But ignoring the implications of it and going "See? I told you!" isn't proving anything to anyone. It's more like stating the obvious.

Dez wasn’t offered a pay cut and Ware was. Neither player would have been released had they continued to produce. Had Ware put up 19 sacks in 2013 he wouldn’t have been asked to take a pay cut and been released. Had Dez put up 1300 yards and 12 TDs last season he would still be on the team playing for his current salary.