CW: Through Week 3, Cowboys WRs rank among worst in separation

[Wangchung83]

Hello, this article was written recently, not days ago as you falsely stated. It's full of factual statistics. If you can't refute the statistics, keep your personal bias out of this thread. Thanks.

I was referring to a thread here that already got debunked by false understanding of stats.

 

[Vtwin]

So answer the question. What do you use to determine if a player is open or not?

Also, you don't understand the metric, because it includes every route not just whether or not they are targeted. An average of 1.9 means a ton of 0

Wrong again.

From the link in the OP

"Average Separation (SEP)The distance (in yards) measured between a WR/TE and the nearest defender at the time of catch or incompletion."

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Wrong again.

From the link in the OP

"Average Separation (SEP)The distance (in yards) measured between a WR/TE and the nearest defender at the time of catch or incompletion."

It doesn't mean they are targeted

From the NGS site:​

What is Next Generation Stats?​

NFL player tracking, also known as Next Gen Stats, is the capture of real time location data, speed and acceleration for every player, every play on every inch of the field. Sensors throughout the stadium track tags placed on players' shoulder pads, charting individual movements within inches.​

Good try, good hustle, good effort.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I didn’t say that you’re the one that doesn’t understand the metric in the op. But keep posting it’s funny how you still don’t understand the metric used. Maybe you should just stop and look at the metrics for all receivers during the game and then you will see the Cowboys are in the NFL average as a group, the also are in the top for pass protection time it’s up to the QB to find the best option. There I helped you out and with a little work and understanding what the metrics really mean will help you post factually not based on what you think it means

Not reading this.

You have no credibility because your entire belief system is "My eye test is right and the numbers are wrong."

 

[Typhus]

COWBOYSWIRE: A receiver’s ability to separate is a rather important skillset to have in football. Separation opens passing windows, making completions easier and increasing yards after the catch. For very obvious reasons, separation is a quarterback’s best friend at any level in football and the NFL is no exception.

Amidst the Cowboys’ recent two-game losing streak, separation numbers have been a topic of conversation. Passing game numbers are abnormally low this season and to many it’s because Dak Prescott isn’t seeing open WRs running downfield.

Fans don’t need the All-22 game film to see some of the evidence of these claims. Brandon Cooks, one of the fastest WRs on the team, has had trouble gaining separation at multiple levels of the field all season. It partially explains his low target rate (five targets per game) and his modest completion percentage when targeted (53 percent). He isn’t getting open and when he is, windows are dangerously tight.

Advanced stats back up the claims. According to Next Gen Stats CeeDee Lamb is second to last in the NFL in average yards of separation at 1.9 yards, Brandin Cooks’ 2.6 yards ranks him 88th and Jalen Tolbert’s 2.7 ranks him 84th.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving#average-separation

The All-22 doesn’t absolve blame but rather points it in the right direction. For instance, many of the routes themselves lack decent jukes or even wiggle. Cooks specifically can be seen running vanilla routes without any fake stabs or misleading turns attached. Tolbert has looked uninterested in creating any deception with his routes as well. He’s graded as one of the worst WRs in separation score. All this considered, it’s no wonder coverage is tight for the Cowboys at the target and/or catch point.

Secondly, the play design and timing doesn’t seem to be doing the WRs any favors. Alternating WR break points through Prescott’s progressions should be in the play design. Instead, multiple players are breaking open simultaneously, so if Prescott isn’t watching that specific player at the time of the break, he’s missed his window of opportunity.



Finally, McCarthy can do things the old-fashioned way and create separation through bunch formations and rub routes. McCarthy frequently did this in Green Bay making things exceedingly difficult for opponents to defend. Motion at the snap can help a WR get off the line and dictate the leverage of the coverage.

Pass protection is an issue for the Cowboys, which is likely why players aren’t spending much time shaking and baking defensive backs every snap, but there has to be a happy medium where pass protectors hang on a micro-second longer and route-runners give their routes just a touch more deception. The rest is really on Prescott with his progressions and the coaching staff for building workable plays.

The issue isn’t separation catastrophic, but it’s real and something that should be addressed. Luckily, it’s also fixable.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2024/09/25/cowboys-separation-issues-ceedee-lamb-2024/

There are a lot of factors that can go into this discussion as to why, but I will definitely begin the conversation first with play design.
It's as simple as cooking, first check all your ingredients that you have on hand first, then you can start to cook something.
This coaching staff is about as creative and tasty as a bologna sandwich.
I will start there first, I don't feel like typing any further about the player issues.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

You ask a lot of questions, so why don't you tell us your answer.

I use NGS the stat referenced. It's as reliable as any other.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Why is this guy @zrinkill still around? Why is he allowed to still post? If I said the nasty things he said, I would immediately be suspended for at least a week.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Out comes the insults.

Bf means best friend.

 

[5Stars]

Bf means best friend.

Yeah, but I know what you are trying to insinuate. People are not stupid you know.

 

[Brax]

You ask a lot of questions, so why don't you tell us your answer.

It’s difficult to hold a conversation with someone who doesn’t understand the metric which he states in his post and just doesn’t want to say he’s wrong. He has metrics confused and just thinks he knows. Maybe he will relook at it and understand hopefully

 

[America's Cowboy]

No this is what you are doing. This was presented earlier this week in Dan’s defense which is exactly why you’re reposting a new thread on the same topic. This stat doesn’t include all the times dark chose to go to a different receiver when one was clearly open. It only includes routes where an attempt was made. I could turn this back around and say dark seems to be targeting receivers that aren’t open and missing others that were open. This also doesn’t show how many times dak targets less than 10 yards of air. He is a dink and dunk an and there isn’t a lot of separation in the dunk and dunk passes. Fact is your wb still sucks.
Here’s a good one ask has less air yards differential proving his dunk and dunk as he’s close to bottom of the league

This thread has nothing to do with Dak. It is about our receivers.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yeah, but I know what you are trying to insinuate. People are not stupid you know.

Why don't you enlighten us since you pretend to know everything?

 

[5Stars]

Why is this guy @zrinkill still around? Why is he allowed to still post? If I said the nasty things he said, I would immediately be suspended for at least a week.

Go ask the mods, not any of us. Besides, is he hurting your feelings? This is an open forum as long as we follow the rules and if the mods think he outsteps the rules, they will take care of it. Grow a pair.

 

[5Stars]

Why don't you enlighten us since you pretend to know everything?

Gaslight someone else.

 

[Typhus]

Not reading this.

You have no credibility because your entire belief system is "My eye test is right and the numbers are wrong."

Everyone can see it, and those that can't need to get their eyes checked, and maybe some mental evaluations as well.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Go ask the mods, not any of us. Besides, is he hurting your feelings? This is an open forum as long as we follow the rules and if the mods think he outsteps the rules, they will take care of it. Grow a pair.

What is it with you Dak critics always making it sexual with your attacks? Is your mind always so nasty or can you keep it civil?

 

[Wangchung83]

Yeah, the Next Gen Stats folks have an agenda to cover for Dak!



We all can clearly see who has an agenda.

why can't you find Daks QB stats for the first three quarters? That would be interesting and would confirm what we all have witnessed for the past eight years. He dinks and dunks his way around, getting sacked, getting caught from behind, and throwing into double coverage constantly with multiple three and outs. He sucks for three quarters then has a amazing fourth quarter that boosts his stats back up to average in prevent defense/soft coverage. The dak homers are a minority and have only grown less over time as more and more see what has been known to rest of us before his first contract extension. Keep dreaming, keep presenting false narrative and one day you may just be right, obviously not in this obviously. Every squirrel eventually finds a nut

 

[America's Cowboy]

Gaslight someone else.

Get out of this thread then. You have done nothing but insult and personal attack.

 

[Typhus]

Gaslight someone else.

Every time I hear the gaslight, I remember Roxanne for some strange reason...lol
You don't have to put on the red light
Those days are over
You don't have to sell your body to the night.

 

[America's Cowboy]

why can't you find Daks QB stats for the first three quarters? That would be interesting and would confirm what we all have witnessed for the past eight years. He dinks and dunks his way around, getting sacked, getting caught from behind, and throwing into double coverage constantly with multiple three and outs. He sucks for three quarters then has a amazing fourth quarter that boosts his stats back up to average in prevent defense/soft coverage. The dak homers are a minority and have only grown less over time as more and more see what has been known to rest of us before his first contract extension. Keep dreaming, keep presenting false narrative and one day you may just be right, obviously not in this obviously. Every squirrel eventually finds a nut

Why don't you act like a grown up and simply go follow another team? Dak isn't going anywhere. This is Jerry's company and he's made it clear he wants Dak to continue to lead it for another 5 seasons.