Dak compares to Blake Bortles?

[DFWJC]

Dak is a better decision maker.
Come on

 

[mattjames2010]

Dak is a better decision maker.
Come on

Does he though? He had 7 games this year with multiple turnovers.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Does he though? He had 7 games this year with multiple turnovers.

I'd be interested to know how much of those were either guys giving up on their routes or the ball hitting them in their chests. Either way, we have a whole career of turnovers for Bortles........Dak has....7 games?

 

[mattjames2010]

I'd be interested to know how much of those were either guys giving up on their routes or the ball hitting them in their chests. Either way, we have a whole career of turnovers for Bortles........Dak has....7 games?

Dak hasn't had to throw the ball 600 times in a season either, now has he?

He threw 490 passes this season and had 13 INTs. Bortles thew 625 passes last season and had 16 INTs.

As of right now, we had one season where Dak had a low INT total and his second season was completely different. You can't say either way if Dak is a better decision maker, because he certainly wasn't in 2017. We'll see in 2018.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dak hasn't had to throw the ball 600 times in a season either, now has he?

He threw 490 passes this season and had 13 INTs. Bortles thew 625 passes last season and had 16 INTs.

As of right now, we had one season where Dak had a low INT total and his second season was completely different. You can't say either way if Dak is a better decision maker, because he certainly wasn't in 2017. We'll see in 2018.

Being a career 58 completion percentage type guy in todays NFL? Doesn't equate to being a very good decision maker. Anyone who watches both of these guys play knows that Bortles isn't very good. Never had been despite his draft status. If you are being realistic on Dak.....he had a very solid rookie campaign and a 2nd season where he started off solid ad in the middle got bad. Bortles has never been capable of putting together a season like Dak did his rookie year. He's just not capable.

 

[DFWJC]

I'd be interested to know how much of those were either guys giving up on their routes or the ball hitting them in their chests. Either way, we have a whole career of turnovers for Bortles........Dak has....7 games?

True, and he was including fumbles too

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

True, and he was including fumbles too

I know we are down on Dak......I'll listen to arguments comparing to some of the lesser quarterbacks.......Blake Borltes is one of the biggest busts of all time. I'm not entertaining a argument in favor of Bortles lol.

 

[mattjames2010]

Being a career 58 completion percentage type guy in todays NFL? Doesn't equate to being a very good decision maker. Anyone who watches both of these guys play knows that Bortles isn't very good. Never had been despite his draft status. If you are being realistic on Dak.....he had a very solid rookie campaign and a 2nd season where he started off solid ad in the middle got bad. Bortles has never been capable of putting together a season like Dak did his rookie year. He's just not capable.

Being inaccurate =/= bad decision maker. That just means you're inaccurate (other things could go into that)

Carson Wentz was below 60% completion for a good portion of the season and just finished with 60% completion at the end. Everyone knows he was making good decisions.LOL

Dak had the benefit of coming in behind the best o-line in the league with tons of time to scan the field and allow his receivers to get open (he wasn't throwing into tight coverage much) along with an RB that tore up the league on the ground. Can you show me when Bortles had anything like that?

 

[mattjames2010]

I know we are down on Dak......I'll listen to arguments comparing to some of the lesser quarterbacks.......Blake Borltes is one of the biggest busts of all time. I'm not entertaining a argument in favor of Bortles lol.

WHAT? No, he's not even remotely close to being one of the biggest. LOL What are you even talking about? Do you like coming off as stupid?

Bortles wasn't even drafted in the era where teams had to give big contracts to these guys.

Blake Bortles is certainly not elite, but he had a season where threw 30+ TDs and won a playoff game and has a chance to help lead his team to the championship tomorrow.

That's not bust - he's not elite - plays mediocre, but not "biggest bust of all time". The hyperbole is ridiculous. Stop posting stupid crap.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

WHAT? No, he's not even remotely close to being one of the biggest. LOL What are you even talking about? Do you like coming off as stupid?

Bortles wasn't even drafted in the era where teams had to give big contracts to these guys.

Blake Bortles is certainly not elite, but he had a season where threw 30+ TDs and won a playoff game and has a chance to help lead his team to the championship tomorrow.

That's not bust - he's not elite - plays mediocre, but not "biggest bust of all time". The hyperbole is ridiculous. Stop posting stupid crap.

So you have the 3rd overall pick in the draft and you don't expect that player to be elite? Man....you would be a great owner/GM/exec to play for. Your bar is extremely low. He's a bum. I don't care if he's had a fluke season of 30 TD's. He's not a very good quarterback. Watch him play. He's trash. I don't know if he's your cousin or friend or whatever but he's a bum.

Being inaccurate =/= bad decision maker. That just means you're inaccurate (other things could go into that)

Carson Wentz was below 60% completion for a good portion of the season and just finished with 60% completion at the end. Everyone knows he was making good decisions.LOL

Dak had the benefit of coming in behind the best o-line in the league with tons of time to scan the field and allow his receivers to get open (he wasn't throwing into tight coverage much) along with an RB that tore up the league on the ground. Can you show me when Bortles had anything like that?

This argument is so silly. When it comes to devaluing what Dak did. I expect it from idiot Eagirls fans but not someone who claims to be a Cowboy fan.

So because Dak had a good offensive line that discredits what he did? Bortles last season had Leonard Fournette and the season before that had a very good receiving core. A receiving core better than anything DAk has had. Allen Robinson and Allen Hughes dominated for Bortles in 2015.

Aikman had a great offensive line, solid defense, solid receivers...best running back of all time......but who would discredit what he did?

 

[mattjames2010]

So you have the 3rd overall pick in the draft and you don't expect that player to be elite? Man....you would be a great owner/GM/exec to play for. Your bar is extremely low. He's a bum. I don't care if he's had a fluke season of 30 TD's. He's not a very good quarterback. Watch him play. He's trash. I don't know if he's your cousin or friend or whatever but he's a bum.

You stated he was one of the biggest busts of all time. There are bigger busts that happened when teams had to give massive contracts to the first picks in the draft, and not just that, there are decades upon decades of bigger busts. Some that barely played any games, some that never sniffed the playoffs, some that never won a playoff game. The Browns ALONE probably hold about 10-15 QB busts.

And this "bum" has a chance of helping his team get to the championship while our "stud" QB started playing like a 4th round pick when he lost his RB.

 

[mattjames2010]

This argument is so silly. When it comes to devaluing what Dak did. I expect it from idiot Eagirls fans but not someone who claims to be a Cowboy fan.

So because Dak had a good offensive line that discredits what he did? Bortles last season had Leonard Fournette and the season before that had a very good receiving core. A receiving core better than anything DAk has had. Allen Robinson and Allen Hughes dominated for Bortles in 2015.

Aikman had a great offensive line, solid defense, solid receivers...best running back of all time......but who would discredit what he did?

I was pointing out Dak's flaws long before most of you ever even took time to notice them. Don't play this game with me, you should have listened to me last season instead of hopping in dogpiles.

I am saying Dak last season had most of his flaws hidden due to great O-line play along with a great ground game. He came into a situation most QBs never have in their career. Ignoring this makes you a homer, which I have stated in the past, blinds you completely and that's why you speak in hyperbolic nonsense and downplay every other player to prop up ours.

And I discredit Aikman all the time, and I consider him one of my favorite celebrities. Aikman had it great, and when things started to fall apart around him, he played like a scrub. He had 5 years in the league where he played at a good to elite level.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You stated he was one of the biggest busts of all time. There are bigger busts that happened when teams had to give massive contracts to the first picks in the draft, and not just that, there are decades upon decades of bigger busts. Some that barely played any games, some that never sniffed the playoffs, some that never won a playoff game. The Browns ALONE probably hold about 10-15 QB busts.

And this "bum" has a chance of helping his team get to the championship while our "stud" QB started playing like a 4th round pick when he lost his RB.

I said he's ONE of the biggest busts of all time which means he's ONE. Not THE biggest bust of all time. There are bigger busts....Jamarcus Russell, etc. He too is on that list. He was a 3rd overall pick. He should be a star.

And I never called Dak a "stud" so who are you quoting there?

I'll say this...this is the first time I've ever heard or seen someone defend Blake Bortles or be a Blake Bortles fan. Its mind boggling but I guess maybe you were a fan of him at UCF?

I was pointing out Dak's flaws long before most of you ever even took time to notice them. Don't play this game with me, you should have listened to me last season instead of hopping in dogpiles.

I am saying Dak last season had most of his flaws hidden due to great O-line play along with a great ground game. He came into a situation most QBs never have in their career. Ignoring this makes you a homer, which I have stated in the past, blinds you completely and that's why you speak in hyperbolic nonsense and downplay every other player to prop up ours.

And I discredit Aikman all the time, and I consider him one of my favorite celebrities. Aikman had it great, and when things started to fall apart around him, he played like a scrub. He had 5 years in the league where he played at a good to elite level.

Why on earth would I listen to you talk about how bad of a qb Dak when he's in the middle of arguably one of the best rookie campaigns ever? What sense does that make?

And if you discredit Aikman then you know what? I'm wasting my time here. You don't discredit a player because "he had it great". What great player doesn't have it great? You could probably say Barry Sanders.....and that list would start and end with him. You show me a hall of fame and I will show you his teammates who also were hall of famers.

 

[mattjames2010]

I said he's ONE of the biggest busts of all time which means he's ONE. Not THE biggest bust of all time. There are bigger busts....Jamarcus Russell, etc. He too is on that list. He was a 3rd overall pick. He should be a star.

And I never called Dak a "stud" so who are you quoting there?

I'll say this...this is the first time I've ever heard or seen someone defend Blake Bortles or be a Blake Bortles fan. Its mind boggling but I guess maybe you were a fan of him at UCF?.

And I'm saying he's NOT one of the biggest busts. I am saying you are stating that to exaggerate and help uplift your argument. It's an idiotic statement.

Even IF Bortles is a bust, he's not one of the biggest. He's right there with all of the other top 5 QB busts and there have been plenty. How about we start going through the list where teams traded up and gave up multiple picks for top 10 players? Or, as I mentioned, in the time where teams had to give massive contracts to unproven top 5 picks that didn't pan out? Those were greater busts, just in terms of the cost.

But as I stated, Bortles the bust can help lead his team to the championship tomorrow. Not many QBs ever get a chance to say that - he's actually had some success in this league.

 

[mattjames2010]

Why on earth would I listen to you talk about how bad of a qb Dak when he's in the middle of arguably one of the best rookie campaigns ever? What sense does that make?

And if you discredit Aikman then you know what? I'm wasting my time here. You don't discredit a player because "he had it great". What great player doesn't have it great? You could probably say Barry Sanders.....and that list would start and end with him. You show me a hall of fame and I will show you his teammates who also were hall of famers.

You are just admitting you weren't analyzing the game - do you think it's just random that I predicted Dak would have these struggles, especially when he doesn't have time to sit in the pocket and order a pizza, send up a prayer to his mama and, eating a few slices before needing to throw the ball?

No, I noticed the problems that should have been addressed rather than getting blinded by team success. Now going into his third season, we have to address them now before his 4th season comes around and we have to think about giving him a big contract or moving on.

And I'm not a Blake Bortles fan, I think he's mediocre to bad the majority of the time with flashes of good in spurts (Kinda like Eli Manning outside of his Super Bowl runs). I'm saying he's not one of the biggest draft busts of all time.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And I'm saying he's NOT one of the biggest busts. I am saying you are stating that to exaggerate and help uplift your argument. It's an idiotic statement.

Even IF Bortles is a bust, he's not one of the biggest. He's right there with all of the other top 5 QB busts and there have been plenty. How about we start going through the list where teams traded up and gave up multiple picks for top 10 players? Or, as I mentioned, in the time where teams had to give massive contracts to unproven top 5 picks that didn't pan out? Those were greater busts, just in terms of the cost.

But as I stated, Bortles the bust can help lead his team to the championship tomorrow. Not many QBs ever get a chance to say that - he's actually had some success in this league.

Wait....so you watched the Jags this year and think they made it to the playoffs based on.......Blake Bortles?

Even though he had a worse year than Dak.....you believe HE'S the reason why the Jags made it to the post season?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You are just admitting you weren't analyzing the game - do you think it's just random that I predicted Dak would have these struggles, especially when he doesn't have time to sit in the pocket and order a pizza, send up a prayer to his mama and, eating a few slices before needing to throw the ball?

No, I noticed the problems that should have been addressed rather than getting blinded by team success. Now going into his third season, we have to address them now before his 4th season comes around and we have to think about giving him a big contract or moving on.

And I'm not a Blake Bortles fan, I think he's mediocre to bad the majority of the time with flashes of good in spurts. I'm saying he's not one of the biggest draft busts of all time.

Once again, what sense does it make for me to overanalyze Dak in the middle of his rookie campaign and he's having one of the best ones for a rookie qb? That's your thing to pick his flaws. You can do that for everyone. I looked at tape of Dak and Wentz. I saw flaws in both. I saw things they both could get better in.

If that is the type of fan you are then fine. I'd rather enjoy the success and allow for the guy to actually fail before I deem him a failure.

You were right on Dak. Congrats.

 

[mattjames2010]

Wait....so you watched the Jags this year and think they made it to the playoffs based on.......Blake Bortles?

Even though he had a worse year than Dak.....you believe HE'S the reason why the Jags made it to the post season?

You like strawamanning.

I think he played big in certain games this year - you know, like when he faced Seattle while Dak flubbed and helped keep us out of playoffs.

I think Blake Bortles, for the last time, is just a mediocre QB and maybe even below that. But again, when you attach the "One of the biggest busts!" crap to him, I expect there to be something to back it up.

Again, this bust is a game away from taking his team to a championship. We can talk all day long about how bad he is, just like we did with Eli Manning, all of that goes out the window in the playoffs. Jags fans get to watch some playoff football while our fanbase is pointing fingers at everyone else and debating the statistics of our QB.

 

[mattjames2010]

You were right on Dak. Congrats.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You like strawamanning.

I think he played big in certain games this year - you know, like when he faced Seattle while Dak flubbed and helped keep us out of playoffs.

I think Blake Bortles, for the last time, is just a mediocre QB and maybe even below that. But again, when you attach the "One of the biggest busts!" crap to him, I expect there to be something to back it up.

Again, this bust is a game away from taking his team to a championship. We can talk all day long about how bad he is, just like we did with Eli Manning, all of that goes out the window in the playoffs. Jags fans get to watch some playoff football while our fanbase is pointing fingers at everyone else and debating the statistics of our QB.

So if you think he's a mediocre QB what is this all about? What are you even arguing? One minute you bring up the Jag's success as if that has something to do with Bortles? You know that defense is why they are where they are. But you imply that its because of him and the Cowboys missing out on the playoffs is because of Dak?

What are you even arguing? Do you even know?

And Eli actually helped his team get rings. To compare him to Blake Bortles is even more embarrassing and I don't even like Eli.