Dak hasn't delivered. Why pay him another dime?

[Chasing6]

This was long before that he has since seen the writing on the wall. I'm sure.

Starting to wonder if this class action Sunday Ticket Lawsuit could have an effect on the Salary Cap. Seen something today that said it could reach $21B.

Maybe Owner Jerry is just waiting to see how that plays out before he makes 3 significant investments.

 

[noshame]

Starting to wonder if this class action Sunday Ticket Lawsuit could have an effect on the Salary Cap. Seen something today that said it could reach $21B.

Maybe Owner Jerry is just waiting to see how that plays out before he makes 3 significant investments.

Come on now. How long have you known Jerry Jones?
If he still believed Dak was the guy this deal would have been done long ago and Dak would be making 70m by now.
I predict CeeDee will be the next Uber rich Cowboy.
Parsons has to perform under Zim before he gets paid.

 

[Vtwin]

The same reason guys like Kirk Cousins are still getting paid.

It is not rocket science to figure out how the QB position and its contracts work. It is not very hard at all.

I think even the most diehard Dak haters would take a Cousins level contract for Dak as the next best thing to just letting him go. It's the thought of paying him at top dollar that has many gritting their teeth.

A placeholder type contract like Cousins got is exactly the type of contract Dak should be offered, if you're not ready to just cut bait.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Cousins isn't our problem; Dak is.

my response was in regards to your response to someone who asked you a simple question and listed QBs who haven't done squat and got paid.

are you lost?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. We are there with Dak. The dude is 30, his known limit has been reached.. ceiling hit and he's constantly busting his head...we know he'll never reach the real goal which is a SB. So, why pay him like a top tier playoff winning QB when he clearly isn't? Seems dumb to pay a guy like that to me.

There's no guarantee a rookie is just going to tank. (CJ Stroud anyone?) ...The team needs to do their job and scout a QB, have him on a rookie deal and build a better team with the cost savings instead of paying a hopeless case like a SB winner.. it's time to move away from the ball and chain money-pit that is Dak Prescott.

you just named 30 NFL teams. they are all insane

and you mentioned CJ Stroud. but 80% of first round QBs fail. its about probabilities. you mention stroud, but forgot to mention Young, Pickett, Wilson, Lance etc. btw., do you have a top 5 pick?
also Stroud had a great first year, and seems like people are already covering him with anointing oil.

so I have argued before, not opposed to moving on from Dak, but lets have a plan. and picking in the 20s, isn't going to get you an elite QB, which is what everyone here is asking for. because replacing a non-elite QB, with another non-elite QB isn't going to solve the cowboys problem.

 

[Vtwin]

Cousins hasn't? wow. great insight...NOT

Three months ago Cousins accepted a deal worth 180 million over four years with 100 million guaranteed. Pretty close to the deal Dak signed 4 years ago. Very comparable players with regard to age and accomplishments.

If it were your call what would you offer Dak? A top of the line current market rate deal like Lawrence got as a young, ascending player, or the deal Cousins got as the aging vet whose career is on the back nine?

 

[TheSport78]

Trevor Lawrence threw 4 interceptions in his single career playoff win...............that is not hurting the team when it mattered?

They won that game despite Lawrence, not because of him and yet they still handed him $275 million.

There is no way anybody with an IQ above kindergarten level can make an argument that Lawrence deserved to get paid and Dak doesnt.

The only argument you can make is age, what the Jaguars EXPECT Lawrence to do over the next five years. One can definitely argue that Dak has seen his best days, and you’re paying him for what he's DONE, not what you expect him to do in the future.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Why does Jethro matter so much? He does not step on the field. QB's are the most important position on the field and you want to know why he matters so much?

Does GM Jethro have a realistic replacement? No he absolutely does not.

What I don't get is why fans want to stop going 12-5 and an opportunity in the playoffs, to start going 5-12.

You are basing your whole stance on a fake made up stat? Wow...thats baffling.

 

[stiletto]

The only argument you can make is age, what the Jaguars EXPECT Lawrence to do over the next five years. One can definitely argue that Dak has seen his best days, and you’re paying him for what he's DONE, not what you expect him to do in the future.

I think comparing Dak to Lawrence is a silly comparison right now. If Dak was 6+ years younger and had only played in 2 or 3 playoff games then it would be a more realistic conversation. Dak has peaked and we are discussing a 2nd bank busting contract. We don't know if Lawrence has truly peaked yet....

 

[Bagman]

Apparently because he has leverage is what Dak fans say.

When in reality Dak has as much leverage as the town drunk that is bumming money from the rich folk.

If they want to throw him a dime or two they will, but they are not required to give him anything.

Dak has leverage in securing a big paycheck. What Dak doesn't have is leverage in securing that paycheck from DALLAS. While some team will definitely take a chance with him, his playoff resume in Dallas screams "MOVE ON" from the Cowboys FO.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Dak has leverage in securing a big paycheck. What Dak doesn't have is leverage in securing that paycheck from DALLAS. While some team will definitely take a chance with him, his playoff resume in Dallas screams "MOVE ON" from the Cowboys FO.

Exactly this.

He has no leverage over Dallas.

 

[Chasing6]

What i dont get is peopke that blame 'jethro" yet still aggresively defend dak.

Why does dak matter so much to them? If all is lost, and you love dak so much...it would make good sense to set him free.

Dak is free. He has a no trade and no tag policy on his contract. He is free to make whatever decision he thinks is best for him.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Three months ago Cousins accepted a deal worth 180 million over four years with 100 million guaranteed. Pretty close to the deal Dak signed 4 years ago. Very comparable players with regard to age and accomplishments.

If it were your call what would you offer Dak? A top of the line current market rate deal like Lawrence got as a young, ascending player, or the deal Cousins got as the aging vet whose career is on the back nine?

Cousins is older and has done less. one of the absolute most over rated QBs ever.

this is cousins last run and last chance to make money and then he is in back up role making 3-5M year until he can't walk any more.

and that was the market for Cousins.

the market for Dak is different. and the way we find out, is we let Dak walk and somebody else signing him. its not about your perception and assessment. its about NFL teams assessment and perception which are often not aligned with fans perception.


and as you have observed, every new contract goes up. Lawrence just reset the market, and the next one will reset it again. Burrow being elite got his 55M contract last year.
Hurts got a 51M average, jackson went to 52, Goff to 53, lawrence to 55 (is he as good as Burrow? nowhere close).
so the next contract is going to push it up again.

its the dang QB market.

 

[Chasing6]

Cousins is older and has done less. one of the absolute most over rated QBs ever.

this is cousins last run and last chance to make money and then he is in back up role making 3-5M year until he can't walk any more.

and that was the market for Cousins.

the market for Dak is different. and the way we find out, is we let Dak walk and somebody else signing him. its not about your perception and assessment. its about NFL teams assessment and perception which are often not aligned with fans perception.


and as you have observed, every new contract goes up. Lawrence just reset the market, and the next one will reset it again. Burrow being elite got his 55M contract last year.
Hurts got a 51M average, jackson went to 52, Goff to 53, lawrence to 55 (is he as good as Burrow? nowhere close).
so the next contract is going to push it up again.

its the dang QB market.

You guys that think QB's are overrated because they have not won a SB are clueless.

 

[fivetwos]

Exactly this.

He has no leverage over Dallas.

If the team has decided to move on, or does so between now and March, and Dak wants to remain a Cowboy no matter what, then yes, but that isn’t exactly negotiating leverage in this case…there is no negotiation because they are moving on….absent some ridiculously discounted contract, which the agent would never allow to happen. They never do. It’s always about players supposedly owing it to the next union members to keep salaries on the rise, not set some discount precedent. That happens 99% of the time in all four sports.

Conversely, if Dak decides he is done with this circus, how exactly does the team have leverage? They can’t tag him. He can walk away and there’s nothing they can do. That’s team leverage?

More simply, Dak will have at least five teams ready to pay him 55-60 per after this season, even if he misses most of it. Does Jerry have at least five QBs to replace him without being a clear downgrade? Not even close. Trey Lance is a lottery ticket who will either remain an unknown or cost quite a bit himself.

It’s a matter of whether one or the other adamantly wishes to move on or not. If Prescott is going to be here, it’s going to be very near the top rate, not at some discount based on the fact that he hasn’t been a top postseason performer.

Again, I have no agenda and don’t care if they bring him back or blow up the entire thing, but I don’t see how what I just spelled out isn’t exactly where we are at.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You guys that think QB's are overrated because they have not won a SB are clueless.

95% of QBs are over rated. according to some, the only way is to have an elite QB. if you don't have it, then go fishing again. they don't know any other way possible for a team to compete.

 

[Rockport]

What i dont get is peopke that blame 'jethro" yet still aggresively defend dak.

Why does dak matter so much to them? If all is lost, and you love dak so much...it would make good sense to set him free.

There’s a lot you don’t get.

 

[Chasing6]

95% of QBs are over rated. according to some, the only way is to have an elite QB. if you don't have it, then go fishing again. they don't know any other way possible for a team to compete.

Only way to become an elite QB is to win a SB.

Do you see the problem?

 

[CowboyFrog]

"The next one is gonna be a winner!!!" brought to you by the same guy who built this winner and the last winner and the winner before that...its not "Who will you replace him with?"...its still the problem of "Who is doing the replacing..." I get some are "Done believeing Dak's decieving stats" but do try and keep a straight face as you ask Jerry Jones to pick a winner.....

 

[DallasEast]

NO NAMECALLING!