Dak is 9th-best QB in NFL per coaches, scouts and execs

[Nav22]

8/32 = 0.25

Someone's not good at math.

1-8 would be your top 25%.

9-24 would be the middle 50%.

25-32 would be the bottom 25%.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Who knows, try traveling to that alernate universe where Dak is a top 7 QB and you can find out. Dak has a lot to prove to me after that 49ers game. I was never his biggest fan nor his biggest hater. I've always been in the meh category with him. I figured he was in the top half of the league but after that 49ers game (the worst preformance I've maybe every seen out of a starting QB in a divisional football game) he has a lot to prove to me. Rightfully so. Cry about it or do whatever you need to make yourself feel better about him but he was horrible. Single handedly cost us a chance at the NFC Championship. I still believe he can play the QB position of a SB champion. He won't be the reason we win but he could be the QB of the team that ends up winning.

what!? I asked a simple question, it just came across as highly convenient that its top 4 and top 4 and rankings had him at 9. I am not the biggest fan nor a hater. I think just like most, that he can be good enough and needs a supporting case (including better coaches). and btw, I disagree with the worst performance ever. because then you have to put grapolo in there with his 131 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int performance in divisional round and 77 yard performance in the NFCCG. they won both games because they ran the heck out of the ball. or the tannehill performance in divisional round against ravens, with 83 passing yards, but defense giving up 12 points.

did he single handedly cost the game? no. others contributed, but sounds like you are trying to come across as some one objective.

btw, he didn't single handedly cost the game. there were plenty of contributors. he didn't single handedly win the game. but then again he is not elite. that alone give your mindset away.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The Dak Stats are built on years of a mostly very weak NFC East or in losses when the opposing defenses feel sorry for DAK and let him get some stats like the last Denver game where the score was 30-0 at the start of the 4th Q.
Shame the Superbowl isn't based on stats as Dak would have at least 2 rings by now.
He is guaranteed a statue and green jacket in the GTHOF........GARBAGE TIME HALL OF FAME.

how old are you again? 6? or 7? get over Romo. he is not coming back. he was put to pasture because he was a big choker.

this alone gives you away:

defenses feel sorry for DAK and let him get some stats"

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What are you talking about?

I said I agreed with the opinion that NFL execs opinions carry a lot of weight....and generally agreed with their overall article.. with the only caveat being that instead of numerical ranks, they should use Tiers instead (like Draft boards use). I was simply asking that one particular person if HE thought their opinion carried weight. He said it did for him....and I agreed with him.

I'll look forward to your reply.

I do agree with having tiered, as absolute rankings are somewhat meaningless and only can be proven if players swap places.

but the tiers need to be tighter. probably Elite tier, with 2,3 at most. and then next tier as tier 2 and probably 5-7 players (almost interchangeable). and then tier 3 with about 5-7 players and so on.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I’m saying the math of scouts, executive, coaches, and GMs puts him at the top of the average range - 9th is the 72nd percentile in the league - but nice try.

you say average range is the middle 50%, meaning the 9-24 range, but who says that's the average range? that's choosing what the average range is. this is rankings, not absolute data points. one could easily say the average range is the middle 20%. its opinion based, not mathematical reasoning. this is not summing up 32 numbers and then coming up with an average and variance. your math in this case is total made up stuff that doesn't apply as factual, but your opinion. one could easily say the 16th and 17th rank players are average, then you are either above or below average. and yes, he is considered in the top 72nd percentile. who says, that's average? oh yeah, you who decided that average means the middle 50%. one could say he is in the top 3rd of the league and is considered above average. as they say there is lies, there is damn lies and then there is statistics.

 

[Kevinicus]

as opposed to you and other Bash Dak folks who jump on the bandwagon of a joe Shmoe on a radio show saying Dak has zero chance of winning and then there is 832 pages and 45 threads about it. yeah, lets all agree to that and talk about it, but hey this NFL executives, GM, Coaches poll is just Mythical. lets just all agree to Williams preferring Romo over Dak, but nah, this is just mythical. its meaningless drivel. its "who cares". right?

I mean, Williams is on video saying exactly that. He's just one guy with an opinion though. Just because he has that opinion doesn't make it a fact.

This random nameless "poll" is ridiculous. It takes some real low critical thinking ability to give it any credence.

Those videos you whine about aren't evidence of anything either, but at least they offer actual arguments behind their opinions and aren't just useless polls of nobody knows who (not to mention details of how the "poll" was taken).

 

[Kevinicus]

No, I don't. I want to hear from YOU, a complete NOBODY with ZERO NFL experience!!

I'll ask again: what do these NFL nerds know???


Why should we worry about what NFL coaches, scouts, execs and players think when we can ask a TOTAL ZERO like YOU instead???

I'd much rather ask a chubby dork who couldn't catch a football or get an NFL job if his life depended on it!!!

See that? Now you don't feel like a know-nothing dolt who would be laughed out of a room with NFL personnel. You're welcome!

Who are these "NFL Nerds?" Name them.

How was the poll taken?

This is laughably absurd. Like kindergarten level thinking.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

I do agree with having tiered, as absolute rankings are somewhat meaningless and only can be proven if players swap places.

but the tiers need to be tighter. probably Elite tier, with 2,3 at most. and then next tier as tier 2 and probably 5-7 players (almost interchangeable). and then tier 3 with about 5-7 players and so on.

So wait....you're just going to gloss over the fact that you put all those words in my mouth that I didn't say, and put the complete opposite of my opinion back on me that I didn't value the NFL Execs opinions, and just change the topuc as if you hadnt said any of those false things about me?

The cool thing would be to just acknowledge you misread my post

 

[Yobwocs]

Putting Herbert in the Top 5 screams bias. There are way more Herbert fans than Chargers fans in America. That's why they put him in the Top 5 despite having nothing but 1 huge playoff choke job to his resume. The reason they do is because nobody cares about the Chargers. They can always scapegoat the Chargers and say "Herbert is the one good thing about a garbage team." Jackson and Burrow also belong in this category..... more fans of the QB in America than the teams.

Unfortunately Dak doesn't get this benefit of the doubt. There are way more Cowboys fans than Dak fans in America. Same goes for Rodgers and Hurts. If the team does bad..... the QBs will be lambasted because the Jets and Eagles and Cowboys love the team more than the QB.

Ultimately it just depends on what you love more. The QB or the team. The team you play for matters a lot in these rankings.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Putting Herbert in the Top 5 screams bias. There are way more Herbert fans than Chargers fans in America. That's why they put him in the Top 5 despite having nothing but 1 huge playoff choke job to his resume. The reason they do is because nobody cares about the Chargers. They can always scapegoat the Chargers and say "Herbert is the one good thing about a garbage team." Jackson and Burrow also belong in this category..... more fans of the QB in America than the teams.

Unfortunately Dak doesn't get this benefit of the doubt. There are way more Cowboys fans than Dak fans in America. Same goes for Rodgers and Hurts. If the team does bad..... the QBs will be lambasted because the Jets and Eagles and Cowboys love the team more than the QB.

Ultimately it just depends on what you love more. The QB or the team. The team you play for matters a lot in these rankings.

Acho trolling said fans with his actual performance is hilarious.

 

[kskboys]

And yet another clusterfudge of a Dak thread takes over the boards.

 

[kskboys]

Putting Herbert in the Top 5 screams bias. There are way more Herbert fans than Chargers fans in America. That's why they put him in the Top 5 despite having nothing but 1 huge playoff choke job to his resume. The reason they do is because nobody cares about the Chargers. They can always scapegoat the Chargers and say "Herbert is the one good thing about a garbage team." Jackson and Burrow also belong in this category..... more fans of the QB in America than the teams.

Unfortunately Dak doesn't get this benefit of the doubt. There are way more Cowboys fans than Dak fans in America. Same goes for Rodgers and Hurts. If the team does bad..... the QBs will be lambasted because the Jets and Eagles and Cowboys love the team more than the QB.

Ultimately it just depends on what you love more. The QB or the team. The team you play for matters a lot in these rankings.

That and Herbert is very good.

 

[kskboys]

I think Hurts is getting too much credit too soon. He has had one year playing with a bunch of all-stars. He did some good things but not enough experience under his belt.

I am not a Lamar Jackson fan. He is a RB taking snaps, not a QB. As a passer he is pretty mediocre. But even so, that means Dak is in the 6-10 range, which is about right. But the top 5 are way ahead of the next 5.

Like, not even close.

First of all, Mahomes and Burrows are on a completely different plane.

Then you have stalwarts Josh Allen and Herbert.

And then you have a ton of question marks. Huge dropoff after those 4. Watson, Barbie, lots of questions. And that's not even mentioning Goff, who easily played at a top 5 level last year.

 

[Yobwocs]

That and Herbert is very good.

Yet Dak has 2 less TDs than him despite playing in 5 less games.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

I'm happy with this. It's been 7 long years trying to convince homers like you that he is not a top 5 QB. Now the goal posts are slowly moving back and you guys are not only accepting him at "#9" you are thrilled about it. Lol.

He's more like 12-13 but I'll let you have your little win.

And just think, he was given a top 3 QB salary... Classic Cowboys, overpaying for underachieving talent.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Sure but Carr is lightyears better than any other VFA QB in the last decade. That he was available is remarkable but to my mind that only underscores how damn scarce the supply is.

Idk that Brady guy was pretty good

Fair point though, carr is probably a top 3-5 qb to hit free agency from recent years. Still you have a cousins, Newton, Jimmy g, etc in addition to carr that seems to hit the market every year plus the guys available via trade (Wilson, goff, Rogers, stafford, etc) there seems to be viable qb options year after year. Now whether they are worth the price point is up for debate, but that’s the dak hater debate as well….at least the logical date hate debate, I won’t go as far as to say the guy isn’t a top 1/3rd of the league qb.

 

[GMO415]

Jaylon had one good year. I just don't get this.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Idk that Brady guy was pretty good

Fair point though, carr is probably a top 3-5 qb to hit free agency from recent years. Still you have a cousins, Newton, Jimmy g, etc in addition to carr that seems to hit the market every year plus the guys available via trade (Wilson, goff, Rogers, stafford, etc) there seems to be viable qb options year after year. Now whether they are worth the price point is up for debate, but that’s the dak hater debate as well….at least the logical date hate debate, I won’t go as far as to say the guy isn’t a top 1/3rd of the league qb.

You basically have 35+ year old QBs on their last legs, backups who succeeded in limited action, and failed starters. All the QBs 30 and younger in that top third do not see VFA and are not available for trade for less than a Hershel Walker trade value in return. That was what I was getting at.

Then there is the whole bird in hand thing.

 

[CATCH17]

That's cool and all, I have zero objection to the rankings and would say this looks pretty accurate to me, but I don't think this is the flex on the anti Dak crowd that you believe it to be. This has NFL coaches & execs putting Dak closer to Carrs & Cousins than it does the Burrows and Mahomes.

Yeah I’m not understanding the flex lol.


Dak is whatever as a player. Just like Cousins.

 

[pansophy]

Someone's not good at math.

1-8 would be your top 25%.

9-24 would be the middle 50%.

25-32 would be the bottom 25%.

You can keep trying but as I said in the beginning ”average” can be defined as 25%-75%. 74-26 = 48, so that’s not the middle 50%. But even using your cutoff Dak is still at the top of the average range, which was my point. So nfl people ranking him 9th is not refuting guys claiming he is average but affirming that.