Dak is still my guy; stop blaming everything on him

[PAPPYDOG]

This isn't fair because McNabb had to play the Super Bowl run mostly without T.O. and the version of T.O. that came back for the Super Bowl was simply not as good as the one who had played the regular season because of the injury. The same thing happened to him and Romo in '07. T.O.'s bum wheel probably cost the Cowboys a Super Bowl trip that year.

But to your point about Dak maybe never getting it done. You may be right.. but I think Dak has two advantages over McNabb.. 1) He's a more consistently accurate passer and 2) He's mentally tougher. At least I think he is but I do wish he would quit sitting on the sideline all cool and calm while the team is crapping the bed.

Sure he is.................

 

[Captain-Crash]

Sure he is.................

he's thinking, "well, I choked again, but hey, I'm making millions, who cares"

 

[Beast_from_East]

Man, 26 pages of back and forth over Dak.

Look, Dak is not the worst QB in the league and he is not the best QB in the league either. As with most things in life, the truth lies in the middle.

Dak is a good, not great, QB. If you surround him with enough talent, he can win you a lot of games.

The problem is that Dak is wanting to be paid like he is Mahomes when he actually is Kirk Cousins.

That is the issue here. See, you can think Dak is a good QB and at the same time think $60 million is too much to pay him, these are not mutually exclusive positions. They can both be true at the same time. I would imagine that if Dak would accept $45 a year like Cousins just signed for, the vast majority of this board would not have a problem resigning him.

 

[RoboQB]

Man, 26 pages of back and forth over Dak.

Look, Dak is not the worst QB in the league and he is not the best QB in the league either. As with most things in life, the truth lies in the middle.

Dak is a good, not great, QB. If you surround him with enough talent, he can win you a lot of games.

The problem is that Dak is wanting to be paid like he is Mahomes when he actually is Kirk Cousins.

That is the issue here. See, you can think Dak is a good QB and at the same time think $60 million is too much to pay him, these are not mutually exclusive positions. They can both be true at the same time. I would imagine that if Dak would accept $45 a year like Cousins just signed for, the vast majority of this board would not have a problem resigning him.

Sure, he can win a lot of games. Just not in the playoffs.
And that's a problem. At some point, a change must be made. So many teams have made moves to change in half the time (or less).

The Chiefs were good with Alex Smith. They spent a 1st on Mahomes with no idea they'd become a dynasty.
The Rams went to a SB and lost. They traded their QB and draft picks for Matt Stafford and win a SB.
The 49ers have made QB moves as far back as Montana/Young.
Point being, it's time for a change.

 

[Sarge]

he's thinking, "well, I choked again, but hey, I'm making millions, who cares"

Lol, that is EXACTLY what I was thinking when I first saw that.

 

[zeke21]

Man, 26 pages of back and forth over Dak.

Look, Dak is not the worst QB in the league and he is not the best QB in the league either. As with most things in life, the truth lies in the middle.

Dak is a good, not great, QB. If you surround him with enough talent, he can win you a lot of games.

The problem is that Dak is wanting to be paid like he is Mahomes when he actually is Kirk Cousins.

That is the issue here. See, you can think Dak is a good QB and at the same time think $60 million is too much to pay him, these are not mutually exclusive positions. They can both be true at the same time. I would imagine that if Dak would accept $45 a year like Cousins just signed for, the vast majority of this board would not have a problem resigning him.

Very good post. Dak is a solid bus driver. If his cap hit was lower then it would help but for me.. I would still be looking to move him on. I think the days of nursing a bus driver are over.. we have to go hunting for the next mahomes rather than sit here debating over Alex Smith.

Dak is Kirk Cousins.. and I think Falcons overpaid for Cousins however they are in a different boat to us. I think it is a good comparison and fair. I'd like Dak better at 45 but I'd like Purdy (or the next guy like him) on a rookie deal even more..!

 

[Hadenough]

SFs defense is really good, and their coaching staff is a big part of it.
They figured Dak out earlier than any other and set the standard in the league now on how to game plan vs Dak.

Remember when people thought Dak was better than Goff? Yeah they were wrong

The disrespect Philly fans have for McNabb has always a been weird. The guy made a SB with Todd Stinkston and James Trash….unbelievable but your fanbase has never been the brightest….

Didn't he have T. Owens?

 

[Motorola]

Funny how these multiple thread pages go.

There will be five pages of arguments debunking one thing, the next five debunking another....and then in the same thread on like page 15 it starts back with arguments using points that have been debunked already in the first 10 pages of the same thread.

Just a trashy cycle.

This will always happen when the CZ topic involves \ is about Prescott.

 

[nate dizzle]

he's thinking, "well, I choked again, but hey, I'm making millions, who cares"

Perfect.

 

[Pola_pe_a]

This isn't fair because McNabb had to play the Super Bowl run mostly without T.O. and the version of T.O. that came back for the Super Bowl was simply not as good as the one who had played the regular season because of the injury. The same thing happened to him and Romo in '07. T.O.'s bum wheel probably cost the Cowboys a Super Bowl trip that year.

But to your point about Dak maybe never getting it done. You may be right.. but I think Dak has two advantages over McNabb.. 1) He's a more consistently accurate passer and 2) He's mentally tougher. At least I think he is but I do wish he would quit sitting on the sideline all cool and calm while the team is crapping the bed.

Agreed Dak is more accurate. McNabbs was always good for 2-3 worm-burners per game. That’s said Dak seems to crumble in the playoffs more than McNabb. I saw a stat on Dak in the first halves of playoff games and his numbers were really bad. It’s odd because he really is a good QB he just can’t get out of his own way in the playoffs.

 

[Hadenough]

he's thinking, "well, I choked again, but hey, I'm making millions, who cares"

Exactly! Greedy SOB

 

[Brax]

he's thinking, "well, I choked again, but hey, I'm making millions, who cares"

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...end-day-2-dak-prescott-cowboys-remain-frauds/

 

[RonnieT24]

I think your mentally tougher argument strains credulity...because Dak's choked in the playoffs three years in a row. That doesn't show mental toughness. He WAS mentally tougher until his ankle injury. Now? He's a basket case in most big games.

So beating the Eagles to claim the division was a "small game?" Damn near beating them AND the refs at Philly earlier in the year? The playoff game at Tampa last season was a "small game?" I know I know, we won so it couldn't have been. Same with beating Detroit to lay claim to the 2 seed. Tiny game right? Can we dispense with this "big game" nonsense once and for all. You guys classify any game we lose a "big game" and any game we win as "didn't really matter" or "the other team wasn't trying." Get the hell outta here with that nonsense. Dak has played extremely well in some big games but you people keep parroting this same tired trope about how "he never shows up in big games." It's hardly worth arguing at this point. So I won't.

 

[blueblood70]

So beating the Eagles to claim the division was a "small game?" Damn near beating them AND the refs at Philly earlier in the year? The playoff game at Tampa last season was a "small game?" I know I know, we won so it couldn't have been. Same with beating Detroit to lay claim to the 2 seed. Tiny game right? Can we dispense with this "big game" nonsense once and for all. You guys classify any game we lose a "big game" and any game we win as "didn't really matter" or "the other team wasn't trying." Get the hell outta here with that nonsense. Dak has played extremely well in some big games but you people keep parroting this same tired trope about how "he never shows up in big games." It's hardly worth arguing at this point. So I won't.

 

[Quickdraw]

Sure he is.................

I saw that look during the game and it was only the 1st quarter. A deer in headlights is what that is. What's he thinking about? It looks like he's thinking that a 12-5 season record, even though they're getting blown out against a #7 seed in the first round of the playoffs, that yea, he can still get $60 million from Jerry. No problem.

 

[shabazz]

So beating the Eagles to claim the division was a "small game?" Damn near beating them AND the refs at Philly earlier in the year? The playoff game at Tampa last season was a "small game?" I know I know, we won so it couldn't have been. Same with beating Detroit to lay claim to the 2 seed. Tiny game right? Can we dispense with this "big game" nonsense once and for all. You guys classify any game we lose a "big game" and any game we win as "didn't really matter" or "the other team wasn't trying." Get the hell outta here with that nonsense. Dak has played extremely well in some big games but you people keep parroting this same tired trope about how "he never shows up in big games." It's hardly worth arguing at this point. So I won't.

Ronnie.......don't let that blood pressure get too high now. Lol

 

[Brax]

So beating the Eagles to claim the division was a "small game?" Damn near beating them AND the refs at Philly earlier in the year? The playoff game at Tampa last season was a "small game?" I know I know, we won so it couldn't have been. Same with beating Detroit to lay claim to the 2 seed. Tiny game right? Can we dispense with this "big game" nonsense once and for all. You guys classify any game we lose a "big game" and any game we win as "didn't really matter" or "the other team wasn't trying." Get the hell outta here with that nonsense. Dak has played extremely well in some big games but you people keep parroting this same tired trope about how "he never shows up in big games." It's hardly worth arguing at this point. So I won't.

Big game Dakchoka appears unfortunately it’s what he is, you just can’t spin it no more, when you have to call a game against a 8-9 playoff team that limped into the playoffs a big game you know you’re struggling. GB 46-16 with 6 minutes left then the magic of garbage time happens and here you are defending the QB that wasn’t. Come on Ron you have to know what Dak is at this point and there’s nothing good about him going forward

 

[bottleKids]

So beating the Eagles to claim the division was a "small game?" Damn near beating them AND the refs at Philly earlier in the year? The playoff game at Tampa last season was a "small game?" I know I know, we won so it couldn't have been. Same with beating Detroit to lay claim to the 2 seed. Tiny game right? Can we dispense with this "big game" nonsense once and for all. You guys classify any game we lose a "big game" and any game we win as "didn't really matter" or "the other team wasn't trying." Get the hell outta here with that nonsense. Dak has played extremely well in some big games but you people keep parroting this same tired trope about how "he never shows up in big games." It's hardly worth arguing at this point. So I won't.

And you are back ... same ole Ronnie "refs out to get us".

 

[shabazz]

Sure he is.................

I can't come up with a great caption for this behavior.

The head bobbing motions, eyes wide off staring, and the mouth shrug is perplexing .

 

[coult44]

You’re

Let's observe what occurred in 2022 vs San Fran.

Yes, Dak threw a costly 2nd interception and that sucked (and I was even about to give up on him at that moment) but then so did Mahomes in the Super Bowl. And got stopped on 4th and inches from his own 10.

On those 2 drives almost looking surely like SF could've blew the game open....KC defense allows 0 points.

Cowboys defense played well overall vs SF but Mahomes and Dak had basically the same game against SF outside of the final OT drive. It was against the same team too. This should tell you everyone struggles against SAN Francisco at this critical moment of the season.

The issue was more on SFs only TD drive, things fell apart on that drive. Defense overall played well, but we had ultimate selfish me-me Diggs letting that INT fall right thru his breadbasket - and his nonchalant, non self chastising attitude afterwards like he doesnt care as long as hes paid. He could've knocked the Kittle catch loose, but he didn't even try. Why not get a McDuffie or Snead who are cheaper, better coached, and make critical plays at critical times? If you let SF have 2 extra opportunities, you get exactly what you deserved.

Fastforward 2023. Vs Green Bay at 14-0 fine. But the 3rd TD should've been stopped. Gilmore looked like he didn't know who he was supposed to cover on that 3rd TD given up. That should've been 3 instead of 7...you don't give up plays that easily. Bland gave up some dumb routes. Bell hasnt looked the same since the Buffalo game, like the wind got knocked out of his sails. Clark is just an average LB and you can't roll into the playoffs with such paltry linebackers. I get it Overshown and Vander Esch were injured, but where was the healthy Parsons? A step short and a 2nd late. Would anyone still take Parsons over Chris Jones? Everytime I open a Parsons thread here before January, people say Parsons is better. You watched the 2 Super Bowls vs San Fran and the Championship game against the Bengals.....and you'd still take Parsons??? Lol.

The defense did not improve in the 2nd half. So yes, I blame very little of Green Bay on Dak. The defense was never gonna stop sucking in order for an comeback to materialize.

In '22 you can blame a lot of it on Dak and I agree he needed one more drive and that didnt happen, but overall hes still a Top 3 QB in the league. I'm taking him over everyone except Mahomes and Burrow. Lots of sites have him in the Top 3. Certainly Top 5 based on last year. Why should I not believe what I see? Why should I not trust official publications? Why should I listen to loudmouth fans instead

You’re being sarcastic right?