Dak or Romo?

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AmericanCowboy said:
Love both, Romo was a wizard back there...but its Dak. Dak is just as accurate, and as he develops he is in control of the game just like Romo was at the end of his career. He is also much more durable.

Romo was insanely smart, and Dak is reaching that level.
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Very honest assessment.
 
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during his time Romo had flozell adams, Tyron Smith, Gurode, Free, Davis, Colombo, Fred and Martin. there was a short period (2009-2011) that we had average OL and our records suffered as a result, but most of his career he had a good OL. he played with Tyron since 2012, Fredrick starting in 2013, marting in 2014, 2015....... Free was the RT most of Romo's time in Dallas, who is similar to Steele. so this notion of Romo didn't have OL is totally false.
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Flozelle was penalty prone. Davis and Free were both overrated. People on this forum were ragging on Free all the time. Colombo was a castoff. Tyron came in 2012, Fred came in 2013 and Martin came in 2014, Romo’s last full year of starting. All with less than three years under their belt. He got injured in 2015 because his offensive line was never together that year.

Now name all the turnstiles he had an offensive line and the horrible defenses he played with. Dak has had much better and consistently more talent every year and far better coaching across the board. Garrett can’t even get a college job, and probably not even high school one at a competing state program in Texas. That’s a severe handicap right there.
 
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jwitten82 said:
According to @erod , stats are for nerds and don't go into what makes a player great.
So Mahomes, Brady, P. Manning, etc. aren't HOFers because they have championships or because they consistently put up some of the best seasons when it comes to Qbs. It's because well they just looked good throwing a football I guess, because there's no other way to evaluate them.
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Checkmate, little guy.
 

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Flozelle was penalty prone. Davis and Free were both overrated. People on this forum were ragging on Free all the time. Colombo was a castoff. Tyron came in 2012, Fred came in 2013 and Martin came in 2014, Romo’s last full year of starting. All with less than three years under their belt. He got injured in 2015 because his offensive line was never together that year.

Now name all the turnstiles he had an offensive line and the horrible defenses he played with. Dak has had much better and consistently more talent every year and far better coaching across the board. Garrett can’t even get a college job, and probably not even high school one at a competing state program in Texas. That’s a severe handicap right there.
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so for the purpose of the argument, lets just dismiss everyone. ...
people were ragging on Free, but when he left people realized how valuable he was. solid, consistent. good. not Great. similar to Steele (but steele sucks this year. like really suck)

Flozell was good. he is no tyron smith. Flozell was a 5 time probowler. colombo was solid player as well. not Tyron, but not too many can compete with future HOFer.
and thus Romo didn't have trash for OL. its totally false assumption on many. Romo getting and being injured his last two years, is irrelevant. the OL was in place.

and I never denied that there wasn't a period we didn't have a good OL. its just that Romo had quite a few years with good OL. it wasn't trash!!! and people are making excuses for 12,13,14, 15....4 years.

now, coaching is a different thing. Garrett was also with Dak for 5 years. perhaps the worst part being he got mentored under garrett, linehan and then Moore a rookie OC, where Romo got mentored by Peyton his first year and then Parcells.
 
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so for the purpose of the argument, lets just dismiss everyone. ...
people were ragging on Free, but when he left people realized how valuable he was. solid, consistent. good. not Great. similar to Steele (but steele sucks this year. like really suck)

Flozell was good. he is no tyron smith. Flozell was a 5 time probowler. colombo was solid player as well. not Tyron, but not too many can compete with future HOFer.
and thus Romo didn't have trash for OL. its totally false assumption on many. Romo getting and being injured his last two years, is irrelevant. the OL was in place.

and I never denied that there wasn't a period we didn't have a good OL. its just that Romo had quite a few years with good OL. it wasn't trash!!! and people are making excuses for 12,13,14, 15....4 years.

now, coaching is a different thing. Garrett was also with Dak for 5 years. perhaps the worst part being he got mentored under garrett, linehan and then Moore a rookie OC, where Romo got mentored by Peyton his first year and then Parcells.
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It’s a given that romo for most of early years didn’t have a good oline at all, as I stated in my comments his last couple years he finally had a decent oline. We can argue certain oline in the middle of those years “may” have been decent or whatever, but there was a very considerable difference in protection from pre2012-13 than post.
I guess this conversation apparently got a little carried away with the whole Cole vs Pepsi err I mean Romo vs Dak. For me and despite my opinion that Romo was better, I actually see a whole lot of similarities eternally the two. They both command there position, they both scramble and run the ball when they need to, they both are better passers on the run, they both are better designed for the west coast style offense (and this is where Dak is gonna have an advantage seeing that is the style we are finally starting to run), both struggled with deep ball.

I do think up to this point (seeing that Dak and Romo have about same amount of years as starter) that Romo was a better qb based on his qualities, but Dak is getting better and has time and a team around him to help him do that.
Not sure what all the animosity is toward Dak, that is not me, but I remember Romo got that as well. Dak can prove everyone wrong and he has the team and the talent to do so.

Do I think he will? It has been nearly 30 years so I gave up on thinking ahead about this team’s possibilities along time ago and I am better for it, so when and if it happens then I will answer that. I just try enjoy the game week by week.
 

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Funny thing is, I said before the season Dak and Romo are pretty much the same, and if Dak doesn't get this team to the NFC championship game then I don't want Dallas to extend him. It's the Romo supporters in this thread that are delusional to act like Romo was so far ahead of Dak, when they both have two wildcard wins, and their TD and int are pretty close
 
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Romo was a lot better at avoiding sacks. Aside from that I don't see them being all that dissimilar. So far anyway.
 

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It’s a given that romo for most of early years didn’t have a good oline at all, as I stated in my comments his last couple years he finally had a decent oline. We can argue certain oline in the middle of those years “may” have been decent or whatever, but there was a very considerable difference in protection from pre2012-13 than post.
I guess this conversation apparently got a little carried away with the whole Cole vs Pepsi err I mean Romo vs Dak. For me and despite my opinion that Romo was better, I actually see a whole lot of similarities eternally the two. They both command there position, they both scramble and run the ball when they need to, they both are better passers on the run, they both are better designed for the west coast style offense (and this is where Dak is gonna have an advantage seeing that is the style we are finally starting to run), both struggled with deep ball.

I do think up to this point (seeing that Dak and Romo have about same amount of years as starter) that Romo was a better qb based on his qualities, but Dak is getting better and has time and a team around him to help him do that.
Not sure what all the animosity is toward Dak, that is not me, but I remember Romo got that as well. Dak can prove everyone wrong and he has the team and the talent to do so.

Do I think he will? It has been nearly 30 years so I gave up on thinking ahead about this team’s possibilities along time ago and I am better for it, so when and if it happens then I will answer that. I just try enjoy the game week by week.
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that's the wrong premise IMHO. he didn't have the OL that he had towards the end of his career, but he did have a good OL in early years. the middle years sucked. I mean that was awful and Jerry learned his lesson, thus having drafted Tyron and Martin high in first rounds, which they had never done before.

IMO, they are different style QBs, but both good. Romo didn't come through. Dak hasn't. hopefully that will change this year.
 
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jwitten82 said:
Lol I'm still waiting for all the ones saying "it isn't close" to use some type of evidence to back up their claims
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Haha notice none of them do they can’t bring up record or completion percentage of playoff success lol…all they can at is it’s not close that says it all lol.
 
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jwitten82 said:
Funny thing is, I said before the season Dak and Romo are pretty much the same, and if Dak doesn't get this team to the NFC championship game then I don't want Dallas to extend him. It's the Romo supporters in this thread that are delusional to act like Romo was so far ahead of Dak, when they both have two wildcard wins, and their TD and int are pretty close
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They act like Romo was Brady….
 
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BrassCowboy said:
It’s a given that romo for most of early years didn’t have a good oline at all, as I stated in my comments his last couple years he finally had a decent oline. We can argue certain oline in the middle of those years “may” have been decent or whatever, but there was a very considerable difference in protection from pre2012-13 than post.
I guess this conversation apparently got a little carried away with the whole Cole vs Pepsi err I mean Romo vs Dak. For me and despite my opinion that Romo was better, I actually see a whole lot of similarities eternally the two. They both command there position, they both scramble and run the ball when they need to, they both are better passers on the run, they both are better designed for the west coast style offense (and this is where Dak is gonna have an advantage seeing that is the style we are finally starting to run), both struggled with deep ball.

I do think up to this point (seeing that Dak and Romo have about same amount of years as starter) that Romo was a better qb based on his qualities, but Dak is getting better and has time and a team around him to help him do that.
Not sure what all the animosity is toward Dak, that is not me, but I remember Romo got that as well. Dak can prove everyone wrong and he has the team and the talent to do so.

Do I think he will? It has been nearly 30 years so I gave up on thinking ahead about this team’s possibilities along time ago and I am better for it, so when and if it happens then I will answer that. I just try enjoy the game week by week.
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Romo had 3 All Pros on his offensive line how is it a given he didn’t have a good line early in his career?
 
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