Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr and it’s not even close

[jday]

While I stick up for Dak, it's a poorly thought out article. The first video showing the bootlegs didn't even show actual bootlegs for Carr as it was all shotgun stuff.

You could make a Benny Hill highlight of bad passes from any QB in the league if you have enough time on your hands. And many of those passes were around the goal line where the general idea is to throw it away if you don't have anybody open.

But, Dak's KPI's were far better than Carr's and from a passing game perspective the Raiders personnel is similar to the Cowboys' personnel.

I’m very optimistic about Dak, but I understand some of the reservations against him. His QBR for a rookie was the highest for a rookie QB ever. In general you would tend to think that it would regress more towards the mean next season. But, the alternative is it not regressing and then you could argue that he’s a future HoF’er and a future all-time great QB because that’s what all-time great athletes tend to do in any sport…put up great numbers and never regress towards the mean.

So if he regresses towards the mean, then you have to wonder by how much? And how that reflects against Carr’s projected improvement.

I think most rational people without the Cowboys bias aside (positive or negative) or the negative image of Dak being a 4th round pick would imagine nothing worse than a small regression which would still make him an excellent QB.

What I don't get is the Carson Wentz love. He showed that he's a mobile QB for a big guy that has a strong arm, but has to rely on an elongated throwing motion to do so and had a pretty miserable rookie year. It's a very optimistic view to think that his potential can eventually override his negatives and ridiculous to call him better than Dak at this point.





YR

"Poorly thought out" might be a bit strong, but your overall point wasn't lost on me; I agree with pretty much everything you said. It's a bit premature to say one way or another if Dak is better than any QB at this point in his career...but all he lacks in this debate is time of service. My best guess is he will both throw more touchdowns and more interceptions as he enjoys a little more freedom in this offense. So I guess it depends on how you define "regression" and where your bias is because dependent on your viewpoint, that result could yield both assertions: he improved on his rookie season vs he regressed from his rookie season.

 

[erod]

Dude, quit while you're behind.

It's an absurd argument. But we have an absurd fan base. The most unknowledgeable of any fan base in any sport.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

While I stick up for Dak, it's a poorly thought out article. The first video showing the bootlegs didn't even show actual bootlegs for Carr as it was all shotgun stuff.

You could make a Benny Hill highlight of bad passes from any QB in the league if you have enough time on your hands. And many of those passes were around the goal line where the general idea is to throw it away if you don't have anybody open.

But, Dak's KPI's were far better than Carr's and from a passing game perspective the Raiders personnel is similar to the Cowboys' personnel.

I’m very optimistic about Dak, but I understand some of the reservations against him. His QBR for a rookie was the highest for a rookie QB ever. In general you would tend to think that it would regress more towards the mean next season. But, the alternative is it not regressing and then you could argue that he’s a future HoF’er and a future all-time great QB because that’s what all-time great athletes tend to do in any sport…put up great numbers and never regress towards the mean.

So if he regresses towards the mean, then you have to wonder by how much? And how that reflects against Carr’s projected improvement.

I think most rational people without the Cowboys bias aside (positive or negative) or the negative image of Dak being a 4th round pick would imagine nothing worse than a small regression which would still make him an excellent QB.

What I don't get is the Carson Wentz love. He showed that he's a mobile QB for a big guy that has a strong arm, but has to rely on an elongated throwing motion to do so and had a pretty miserable rookie year. It's a very optimistic view to think that his potential can eventually override his negatives and ridiculous to call him better than Dak at this point.





YR

Just because I'd be curious of another fan's opinion, what are a QB's KPIs in your estimation?

 

[Chuck 54]

Outside of Tom Brady, who has proven he can win with less offensive talent and destroy when he has great talent, it's silly to compare Most QBs who play with vastly different weapons, different defenses, and in different systems with different coaches. Take our own QB examples.

Troy Aikman sucked under Shula, flourished under Turner, and then sucked again after Irvin's injury when his own skills were still strong. Romo never really won squat his entire career, despite playing with HOF receivers; did the OL and defense affect his ability to win?

Bret Farve had a HOF career in the west coast offense with a coach and receivers that allowed him to ad lib. He was a great talent, but he was traded out of Atlanta. How would he have done in our structured, timing based offense?

Comparing Dak and Carr at this point in their careers is futile.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

It's an absurd argument. But we have an absurd fan base. The most unknowledgeable of any fan base in any sport.

Says the dude known for rambling, incoherent dissertations that all went a different direction until you were scorned.

 

[erod]

Says the dude known for rambling, incoherent dissertations that all went a different direction until you were scorned.

Life's kicking your ***, eh? What in the world are you talking about?

Sheesh, dude. LOL

 

[JoeKing]

I like Dak but I'm not going say he's by far better than Carr. It's okay if they are both very good QBs.

 

[pete026]

It's an absurd argument. But we have an absurd fan base. The most unknowledgeable of any fan base in any sport.

Said the Cowboys fan.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Life's kicking your ***, eh? What in the world are you talking about?

Sheesh, dude. LOL

I'm talking about you not putting forth anything to support your ridiculous claims and blaming it on others combined with your turn from indecipherable superfan to indecipherable and boring troll. You have yet to provide a single piece of evidence yet condescend to people who are actually doing so. Check your embarrassing performance in this thread for further reference. You claim it's others inability to understand, while they provide facts, yet have nothing to show you're own understanding. Pretty easy to discern why tbh.

 

[Scotman]

I love Dak, too. There's only a few two QBs I'd trade him for. Rodgers and Carr. That's it.

I wouldn't, because I'm an unapologetic homer. But I can respect this.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Just because I'd be curious of another fan's opinion, what are a QB's KPIs in your estimation?

QBR
DVOA
AYPA
% of turnovers/drop back

Just to name a few.








YR

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm not exactly sure how you define "Traditional Scrambler" but I think the best way to clarify your point is through comparison. Dak is not a scrambler in the Michael Vick/Tim Tebow sense; Dak is a quarterback before he is a runner always...and has been since about halfway through his college career. Dak is more of a scrambler in the Steve Young sense.

If you mean Steve Young in his early days, I disagree. If you mean Steve Young in his later days when he learned to hang in the pocket and run as a last resort, I agree.

What makes Dak dangerous is that he will go through his reads and then run if necessary, or the play will be read option, and Dak will read the play accordingly and take off if necessary.

The problem RGIII had was that he was a one-read throw quarterback, and if the receiver weren't open, he would run. Defenses knew what he was going to do and would punish him because of his slight frame.

Dak's not going to do that, and if he runs he has the body to take the pounding but the smarts (unlike RGIII) to get his behind down or out of bounds and not take the punishment.

The quarterback I would best compare Dak to in terms of scrambling (not passing accuracy) is McNabb. McNabb tried to hang in the pocket too but ran when necessary. I think Russell Wilson runs a bit too much, even though he is a good passer. I think RW runs more than Dak does. I would compare Dak to Favre, but Favre was too reckless with his running style, and I don't see Dak that way.

 

[erod]

I'm talking about you not putting forth anything to support your ridiculous claims and blaming it on others combined with your turn from indecipherable superfan to indecipherable and boring troll. You have yet to provide a single piece of evidence yet condescend to people who are actually doing so. Check your embarrassing performance in this thread for further reference. You claim it's others inability to understand, while they provide facts, yet have nothing to show you're own understanding. Pretty easy to discern why tbh.

I can not possibly correspond with fans who want to base everything on stats. Jeff George had stats. Troy Aikman didn't. Art Monk had incredible stats. Drew Pearson didn't. Too many just don't have enough experience with the game to understand those subtleties.

You can't quantify football with numbers. You just can't. If you don't understand that, I can't understand it for you.

 

[Trouty]

It's an absurd argument. But we have an absurd fan base. The most unknowledgeable of any fan base in any sport.

E, cut it out, man. We have the largest fanbase, so it swings both ways.

Again, you're part of this fanbase, stop denigrating yourself with your board brush quips.

Are you trying to get reactions, like this one, with absurd statements like that? You seem pretty even keel, then you spout something like this every so often.

 

[Trouty]

Life's kicking your ***, eh? What in the world are you talking about?

Sheesh, dude. LOL

Cut it out, E.

It's unbecoming of your character, here.

 

[Trouty]

Said the Cowboys fan.

This. He does it frequently, too. Don't know if he realizes he's encompassing his own self with such claims?

 

[John813]

Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr and it’s not even close..

I can see both sides comparing Carr vs Prescott. But, when there is a "it's not even close" it loses it's seriousness.

I like both QB's and would be hard pressed to pick one, in a vacuum.

 

[erod]

Cut it out, E.

It's unbecoming of your character, here.

Just bringing the same ammo as he is. He's about to get blocked anyway, so that'll fix it.

 

[erod]

This. He does it frequently, too. Don't know if he realizes he's encompassing his own self with such claims?

I'm fully aware that I've aligned myself with the most ridiculous fan base in all of professional sports. It's just like that extended family you don't bring to formal events

I love my Cowboys, but good gosh almighty, we've got some DNA mutations amongst us.

 

[Trouty]

I'm fully aware that I've aligned myself with the most ridiculous fan base in all of professional sports. It's just like that extended family you don't bring to formal events

I love my Cowboys, but good gosh almighty, we've got some DNA mutations amongst us.

E, you've also aligned yourself with the best fanbase, by extension, in the league.

I won't argue that we have some odd apples, some real winners, but we also have some real winners, my brother.