Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr and it’s not even close

[haleyrules]

Honestly, I could care less if he's better than Carr or not. If I had to choose between the two, I'd choose Dak, but aside from the reasons stated in the article, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so...what I think means little.

As for my reasons for contributing this, I thought it offered good info and accompanying tape. Compared to suspension projections, and other non-football related news, I thought this might be a welcome respite.

Amen. Something worth thinking about.

 

[Direwolf63]

In the playoffs, Dak exchanged haymakers with Aaron Rodgers who was probably playing at the highest level of his career.

The grudge match ended in a draw. But that game went a long way to show what Dak can do.

And I think he will get a lot better. He has more upside than Carr does.

 

[Ranching]

In the playoffs, Dak exchanged haymakers with Aaron Rodgers who was probably playing at the highest level of his career.

The grudge match ended in a draw. But that game went a long way to show what Dak can do.

And I think he will get a lot better. He has more upside than Carr does.

 

[tyke1doe]

And yet, all those more years playing the qb position, Dak had a better season last year in terms of completion % and qbr than Carr has ever had. So much for that so called experience.

But Dak also had the better offensive line, the better running back, the better tight end and arguably better receivers, although I will give that one to the Raiders.
I'm not taking anything away from Dak. But many quarterbacks start out on fire their first year (not necessarily rookie year) they play. And then when the league gets tape on them, they take a step backwards.

Dak was consistent all thru preseason and all thru the regular season, and the 1 playoff game. He was 3rd in qbr behind Matt Ryan and Tom Brady.

So basically your argument is that one season determines who the better quarterback is overall and not just for that season? Or are you saying that Dak was better than Carr for just last season?[/QUOTE]

 

[coult44]

Read all: https://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/7/2...ders-cowboys-qbr-stats-season-outlook-preview


A recent ESPN Insider article by their illustrious panel of experts ranked the 32 teams in terms of which NFL franchises are in the best shape for the next three seasons. One of the categories was quarterback, with teams ranked #1-32 based on their QB situation for the next three seasons. It was no surprise that Aaron Rodgers ranked #1, but following behind him at #2 was Derek Carr. That’s right: these experts would rather have Carr for the next three years than players like Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger, and the last two MVP winners, Matt Ryan and Cam Newton. However, I’d argue that none of these is the craziest omission, which is the inexplicable choice of Derek Carr over Dak Prescott.

Disclaimers

• Why is this on a Seahawks website? (a) Because all of the bad arguments that were used against Wilson early in his career (e.g., he only looks good because of his teammates, he’s only efficient because he throws at low volume, the plays he creates with his legs outside of the pocket don’t count) that have proven to be bad arguments as Wilson has maintained a high level for five seasons are now being applied to Prescott; and (b) Derek Carr is lame.
• This might look silly in a year if Carr improves as much as he did between 2015 and 2016.

The Statistics
The film comes later in this piece, but before anyone accuses me of cherry-picking individual plays, statistics measure the result of every play of the season. In Derek Carr’s three seasons, he has never played better than in 2016, and Prescott’s 2016 rookie season was substantially more efficient than Carr’s 2016 (and no, it is not easier to be more efficient when throwing at a lower volume):

This Derrick Carr

 

[tyke1doe]

The ranking or the numbers?

Cuz I'm sure you'll find rankings vary.

Are rankings facts like numbers?

 

[Diehardblues]

I love me some Dak. First Cowboy gear I've bought since we moved to Arlington and I'm very excited our prospect with him but our offense was built for a more prolific passer like Derek. I'd trade straight up for him tomorrow . And I think most in the league would .

That said Dak should be a fine consolation to the soon to be MVP in Oakland who would have won it last year before he went down. We all saw how that effected their chances in playoffs.

 

[Diehardblues]

Brady is a statue in the pocket. So was Peyton, Aikman, and virtually every QB who ever won championships. Mobility is so overrated. Pocket presence is vastly more important.

Make no mistake, the Cowboys would run through a gauntlet of fire and grenades to make that deal.

Dak played smart football with terrific poise. He did not make the kind of throws on a regular basis that Carr does. Maybe he will, but he's got eons to go.

Well said and I totally agree.

 

[reddyuta]

I would trade Dak for Carr in a split second.

I'd throw in a nice player to boot.

Please.

I wouldnt. The raiders Oline is ridiculously good in pass protection and helped Carr have Tea back there and pick and choose his target with ease.I actually agree with this article but they should have done some videos on things Dak could improve on like his foot work which regress badly sometimes.

 

[Diehardblues]

I would trade Dak for Carr in a split second.

I'd throw in a nice player to boot.

Please.

I can think of a couple players I'd boot along with the deal. That said it doesn't mean Dak might win a championship first or be on a team with more success but like you said this is now a run first offense not as dependent on a more prolific downfield passer like Derek that we're more accustomed to seeing have enduring consistency and success in the league . It's simply a matter can they surround him with enough . They were pretty close last year without a good defense or very strong running game which they have added to this year.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Believe what you want, and I get the "Cowboys" love you have for Dak, but I would bet it all that exactly 32 general managers would trade Dak for Carr.

You'd be a fool left with nothing.

 

[Dundalis]

Believe what you want, and I get the "Cowboys" love you have for Dak, but I would bet it all that exactly 32 general managers would trade Dak for Carr.

No way in hell do the Cowboys trade Dak for Carr. It's 0%. There's this thing called a salary cap, you may have heard about it. Not to mention there is just as much proof of Carr becoming a great QB as there is for Dak. In fact taking body of work into account shows Carr could be a bad QB, since he's proven it by actually being bad in the past. Who says that's not a true reflection of his playing ability as opposed to his one great year?

Lol.

So they played the same schedule against the same defenses and the same quarterbacks?

Stats are mostly useless.

If stats are mostly useless, then opinions absent stats are completely useless. This thread is certainly a case study in favor of this.

 

[erod]

No way in hell do the Cowboys trade Dak for Carr. It's 0%. There's this thing called a salary cap, you may have heard about it. Not to mention there is just as much proof of Carr becoming a great QB as there is for Dak. In fact taking body of work into account shows Carr could be a bad QB, since he's proven it by actually being bad in the past. Who says that's not a true reflection of his playing ability as opposed to his one great year?

If stats are mostly useless, then opinions absent stats are completely useless. This thread is certainly a case study in favor of this.

I can't help it if you don't understand what you're watching and can't put your pom-poms down long enough to learn.

 

[jday]

Agreed. Where do people get the idea that Dak is a scrambler anyway? He has some decent power and straight line speed, but he's not particularly elusive. He's a traditional pocket passer for the most part.

I'm not exactly sure how you define "Traditional Scrambler" but I think the best way to clarify your point is through comparison. Dak is not a scrambler in the Michael Vick/Tim Tebow sense; Dak is a quarterback before he is a runner always...and has been since about halfway through his college career. Dak is more of a scrambler in the Steve Young sense.

It is for that reason, I take issue with the scrambler vs pocket passer argument because Dak really is a tweener of the two if anything.

 

[jday]

This was like chum in the water for you, PJ!

Yes, it's Shark Week

Did someone say shark?

 

[jday]

Thats the truth. Prescott is the best "Rookie" QB l have ever watched play.

And haleyrules doesn't even know how to pronounce "hyperbole."

I keed, I keed.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Read all: https://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/7/2...ders-cowboys-qbr-stats-season-outlook-preview


A recent ESPN Insider article by their illustrious panel of experts ranked the 32 teams in terms of which NFL franchises are in the best shape for the next three seasons. One of the categories was quarterback, with teams ranked #1-32 based on their QB situation for the next three seasons. It was no surprise that Aaron Rodgers ranked #1, but following behind him at #2 was Derek Carr. That’s right: these experts would rather have Carr for the next three years than players like Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger, and the last two MVP winners, Matt Ryan and Cam Newton. However, I’d argue that none of these is the craziest omission, which is the inexplicable choice of Derek Carr over Dak Prescott.

Disclaimers

• Why is this on a Seahawks website? (a) Because all of the bad arguments that were used against Wilson early in his career (e.g., he only looks good because of his teammates, he’s only efficient because he throws at low volume, the plays he creates with his legs outside of the pocket don’t count) that have proven to be bad arguments as Wilson has maintained a high level for five seasons are now being applied to Prescott; and (b) Derek Carr is lame.
• This might look silly in a year if Carr improves as much as he did between 2015 and 2016.

The Statistics
The film comes later in this piece, but before anyone accuses me of cherry-picking individual plays, statistics measure the result of every play of the season. In Derek Carr’s three seasons, he has never played better than in 2016, and Prescott’s 2016 rookie season was substantially more efficient than Carr’s 2016 (and no, it is not easier to be more efficient when throwing at a lower volume):

I personally don't care, I am not interested in comparing him to any other QB. I am just happy we have him and would like for him to improve each year. Please note this isn't directed towards you but we all have seen various articles comparing him to this vet or that young QB.... who cares, just help us win games.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

I can't help it if you don't understand what you're watching and can't put your pom-poms down long enough to learn.

Dude, quit while you're behind.

 

[jday]

I personally don't care, I am not interested in comparing him to any other QB. I am just happy we have him and would like for him to improve each year. Please note this isn't directed towards you but we all have seen various articles comparing him to this vet or that young QB.... who cares, just help us win games.

If you keep reading below my op, you will see a response to someone from me very similar to yours. No offense taken, I assure you. I largely feel the same way. I could care less how he stacks up against other QB's, but I thought this particular article was compelling for two reasons: 1. It came from enemy-territory (Seahawks version of blogging the boys) and 2. it was a departure from the drama that currently surrounds the Cowboys.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

While I stick up for Dak, it's a poorly thought out article. The first video showing the bootlegs didn't even show actual bootlegs for Carr as it was all shotgun stuff.

You could make a Benny Hill highlight of bad passes from any QB in the league if you have enough time on your hands. And many of those passes were around the goal line where the general idea is to throw it away if you don't have anybody open.

But, Dak's KPI's were far better than Carr's and from a passing game perspective the Raiders personnel is similar to the Cowboys' personnel.

I’m very optimistic about Dak, but I understand some of the reservations against him. His QBR for a rookie was the highest for a rookie QB ever. In general you would tend to think that it would regress more towards the mean next season. But, the alternative is it not regressing and then you could argue that he’s a future HoF’er and a future all-time great QB because that’s what all-time great athletes tend to do in any sport…put up great numbers and never regress towards the mean.

So if he regresses towards the mean, then you have to wonder by how much? And how that reflects against Carr’s projected improvement.

I think most rational people without the Cowboys bias aside (positive or negative) or the negative image of Dak being a 4th round pick would imagine nothing worse than a small regression which would still make him an excellent QB.

What I don't get is the Carson Wentz love. He showed that he's a mobile QB for a big guy that has a strong arm, but has to rely on an elongated throwing motion to do so and had a pretty miserable rookie year. It's a very optimistic view to think that his potential can eventually override his negatives and ridiculous to call him better than Dak at this point.





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