Dak Prescott Not MVP Candidate? QB Left Off NFL Rankings

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First of all, this list is as meaningless as post draft grades. Who cares? When the players take the field their play will determine who deserves to be a contender for MVP. Guessing who will play well at this point is just clickbait. It is the real silly season before training camps and preseason games.

Having said that, how can they put a 2nd year QB who was injured most of his rookie season on the list? Based on what? This is what makes this stuff so silly this time of year.

To put this in perspective, a couple of days ago Terry Bradshaw was saying Dak should tell the Cowboys to pound salt because they have made no attempt to extend him yet. Today he gets left off a list of possible MVP candidates. The media are not serious sports people. They are mostly blowhards attempting to monetize their commentary.
 

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True, I do not believe in Dak and have been proven correct. Has nothing to do with the discussion.

@Aerolithe_Lion & @MountaineerCowboy responded to your questions with well stated explanations yet you continued to ask the same questions and defend as if If they had not addressed the issue.

Seemed you couldn't refute their basis and instead chose to badger them. We don't always agree but you generally will concede\acknowledge when someone has a valid line of reasoning. Don't become one of the defenders that can't accept anything that isn't 100% pro Dak.
I refuted their claims just as much as they did mine. Mind you those two are Eagles fans……

But either way I genuinely didn’t understand their point. Dak benefited off of guys like Ryan Tannenhill being hurt? It just doesn’t make sense to me. Burrow does. But guys like Deshaun Watson? Tannenhill? Kenny Pickett? You stand behind this argument as well?
 

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The Eagles fan insult is my favorite.

They think the Cowboys biggest division rival wants a literally loser like Dak gone lololol

Eagles fans hope Dak plays for the Cowboys for 20 more years because Dak guarantees the Cowboys are always pretenders.
Even got one now that admits he has no idea how to comprehend and understand the thoughts he is reading.

I mean it was obvious before but you'd think he would at least try to reflect on and understand the posts he reads.
 

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Even got one now that admits he has no idea how to comprehend and understand the thoughts he is reading.

I mean it was obvious before but you'd think he would at least try to reflect on and understand the posts he reads.
Fly Eagle Fllllllyyyyyyyyyy……
 

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Even got one now that admits he has no idea how to comprehend and understand the thoughts he is reading.

I mean it was obvious before but you'd think he would at least try to reflect on and understand the posts he reads.
The Eagles fan insult to “Dak haters” is truly brainless.

The Eagles have won a Super Bowl and been to another with two different QBs since Daks been the Cowboys QB, but they’re worried about the QB with the worst playoff record ever with at least 5 starts?

The Eagles would love nothing more than for Jerry to make the perpetual loser Dak a Cowboy for life.
 

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I refuted their claims just as much as they did mine. Mind you those two are Eagles fans……

But either way I genuinely didn’t understand their point. Dak benefited off of guys like Ryan Tannenhill being hurt? It just doesn’t make sense to me. Burrow does. But guys like Deshaun Watson? Tannenhill? Kenny Pickett? You stand behind this argument as well?
Every QB that takes the field is technically in the running for MVP. The fewer that make it thru the season elevate the remaining candidates. The weaker the QB play is overall, the more even average QB's "look" better than they really are. It's really as simple as that.

They were never saying that some of those guys were likely to win the award simply that anything that affects the pool of candidates affects the voting.

If Flacco plays a larger % of the season at the level he played those 6 games at, he pulls MVP votes. Honestly, if that had happened, he would be pretty deserving. It's not supposed to be the "Most Outstanding Player" IMO, it supposed to be the player who has the most value to his team. But that's a separate discussion.
 

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Every QB that takes the field is technically in the running for MVP. The fewer that make it thru the season elevate the remaining candidates. The weaker the QB play is overall, the more even average QB's "look" better than they really are. It's really as simple as that.

They were never saying that some of those guys were likely to win the award simply that anything that affects the pool of candidates affects the voting.

If Flacco plays a larger % of the season at the level he played those 6 games at, he pulls MVP votes. Honestly, if that had happened, he would be pretty deserving. It's not supposed to be the "Most Outstanding Player" IMO, it supposed to be the player who has the most value to his team. But that's a separate discussion.
This makes no sense to me. There are things that affect the MVP race every season. MVP candidates get hurt every year. Maybe it’s going over my head. Kenny Pickett can’t even keep a starting job but him getting hurt increased Daks odds is not making sense to me.
 

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This makes no sense to me. There are things that affect the MVP race every season. MVP candidates get hurt every year. Maybe it’s going over my head. Kenny Pickett can’t even keep a starting job but him getting hurt increased Daks odds is not making sense to me.
No problem, there is an easy comparison. In a hypothetical world, far, far away, what if a country only has two options to vote for President? It doesn't really matter if a lot of folks can see clear faults with both. Most of those folks are still going to vote. So candidates are going to get votes they wouldn't get if there were more options and not because they were an attractive option but because they were less unattractive than the other option.
 

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No problem, there is an easy comparison. In a hypothetical world, far, far away, what if a country only has two options to vote for President? It doesn't really matter if a lot of folks can see clear faults with both. Most of those folks are still going to vote. So candidates are going to get votes they wouldn't get if there were more options and not because they were an attractive option but because they were less unattractive than the other option.
I think this is the part I disagree with. There are less unattractive options every year. It wasn’t just foreign to last year.
 

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No, but Aaron Rodgers (a previous 4-time MVP), Joe Burrow (the guy the consensus ranked as the second best QB in football), and Kirk Cousins (who had closer MVP odds before he got injured to Dak than Dak did to Tua) all did.

With Watson and Murray and Richardson and Jones and Pickett and Tannehill all missing significant time to injury as well, 2023 was a historically bad year for starting QB reliability.
along with hurts sucking
 

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The league has been around for 100 years. There have been tens of thousands of quarterbacks in that time frame.

Since Dak has been in the league, there have been thousands of quarterbacks.... there are around 96 quarterbacks who play in the NFL every season....

So you're telling me Dak is the first quarterback in history to have enough "good fortune" to have become All Pro without a running game?

We all agree that Dak isn't elite and most likely won't lead us to a championship, but....

Cmon bro.... this is reaching at its finest right here to discredit a player's accomplishment and ability.
surprisingly (per multiple google results) there's only been 721 qb's in league history.
 

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The rankings at the preseason point do not matter. During the season, if he proves himself worthy of ranking, it will happen. But he should know saving his job as the Cowboys QB1 will take no less than a championship, either conference and even possibly the league. It's team accomplishment, not personal accomplishment that gets him an extension.
 

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surprisingly (per multiple google results) there's only been 721 qb's in league history.

That is totally impossible. There are atleast 64 quarterbacks in the league every year. Do you REALLY believe their have been only 721 quarterbacks in over 100 years of NFL football???
 
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