Dak Prescott Not MVP Candidate? QB Left Off NFL Rankings

Streifenkarl

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That is totally impossible. There are atleast 64 quarterbacks in the league every year. Do you REALLY believe their have been only 721 quarterbacks in over 100 years of NFL football???
721 QBs have played in at least one NFL game since 1966.
 

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That is totally impossible. There are atleast 64 quarterbacks in the league every year. Do you REALLY believe there have been only 721 quarterbacks in over 100 years of NFL football???
that have actually played in a game in the sb era (the only thing anyone is ever referring to) so in the past 60 years, yeah. players hang around for years, so the number playing each year is irrelevant since the majority aren’t unique year to year. there certainly aren’t tens of thousands though
 

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i mean, he did. it is what it is.
No he didnt.

You mean the brady the retired, unretired, lost his guru super bowl coach, for a jag, lost his wife for her trainer, took at least a full day off regular practice almost every week, went 8-9 regular season....

But it was dak that did it?

Come on man.
 

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No he didnt.

You mean the brady the retired, unretired, lost his guru super bowl coach, for a jag, lost his wife for her trainer, took at least a full day off regular practice almost every week, went 8-9 regular season....

But it was dak that did it?

Come on man.
I mean you can poo poo it all you want but this same Tampa team beat them week 1 soundly. So they made the playoffs and got spanked when it counted. Dak didnt do it the cowboys did but hes part of it
 

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Is Dak better than Mahones, Josh, Lamar to you? How is that response even relative to anything being discussed?

This is about a response to someone saying the 2023 MVP field was weaker in a thread about Dak not being on an MVP list. I listed a guy who won one as recently as 2021, a guy viewed very recently as the second best QB in the league, and a guy whose career mirrors Dak to many.

What does it matter if Mahomes is better than all of them?
I mean. If the baromoter of success is playoff wins.

Lamar shouldnt be considered in this conversation.
 

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If you're going to say Dak retired Brady then you have to agree that Dak lost the Packers game all on his own.

Both of those assertions are ridiculous to any reasonably astute football fan.
'Retire' is yet another word that no longer means what it used to mean. The official definition (link) is 'to cause to retire from one's position or occupation'. In this instance, the term has been repeatedly applied as Dak Prescott forcing Tom Brady's retirement with Dak Prescott's victory over Tom Brady. The following occurred, which forced Tom Brady's retirement during Prescott's victory according to this application of the term:
  • Prescott forced Brady to perform poorly enough to finish with a 72% quarterback rating
  • Prescott forced Brady to rush below 53 yards
  • Prescott forced Brady to throw an interception
  • Prescott forced Brady into two sacks
  • Prescott forced Brady into committing three penalties
  • Prescott forced Brady into converting only one out of three fourth down conversation attempts
  • Prescott forced Brady to have possession of the ball for less than 26 minutes
This application of the word can be demonstrated visually:

idNhRIY.jpg


As shown in the pic above, Prescott forced Brady to retire because:
  1. The defense did nothing described above
  2. The offensive line did not allow any sacks
  3. The offensive skill players did not rush or catch balls during any drives
  4. The referees did not call any penalties

The picture describes exactly how Prescott forced Brady to retire. I am certain any dictionary would include the picture as an example for the definition of retire...

Wait. Something is amiss...

~scans picture a final time~

Hey? Where's Waldo Prescott in the picture?



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'Retire' is yet another word that no longer means what it used to mean. The official definition (link) is 'to cause to retire from one's position or occupation'. In this instance, the term has been repeatedly applied as Dak Prescott forcing Tom Brady's retirement with Dak Prescott's victory over Tom Brady. The following occurred, which forced Tom Brady's retirement during Prescott's victory according to this application of the term:
  • Prescott forced Brady to perform poorly enough to finish with a 72% quarterback rating
  • Prescott forced Brady to rush below 53 yards
  • Prescott forced Brady to throw an interception
  • Prescott forced Brady into two sacks
  • Prescott forced Brady into committing three penalties
  • Prescott forced Brady into converting only one out of three fourth down conversation attempts
  • Prescott forced Brady to have possession of the ball for less than 26 minutes
This application of the word can be demonstrated visually:

idNhRIY.jpg


As shown in the pic above, Prescott forced Brady to retire because:
  1. The defense did nothing described above
  2. The offensive line did not allow any sacks
  3. The offensive skill players did not rush or catch balls during any drives
  4. The referees did not call any penalties

The picture describes exactly how Prescott forced Brady to retire. I am certain any dictionary would include the picture as an example for the definition of retire...

Wait. Something is amiss...

~scans picture a final time~

Hey? Where's Waldo Prescott in the picture?



Football. The Sport of One.
The point can't be illustrated much more clearly than that.

I think this myth has officially been retired.
 

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The point can't be illustrated much more clearly than that.

I think this myth has officially been retired.
Bold> Not so fast. The goalposts have not been alerted to move on demand yet.

In all seriousness though, the same thing applies within any quarterback vs quarterback discussion but isn't. The misapplication of the term has been made by others as well, especially sports talking heads. It is hard enough applying the word in the context of individual sports like golf, although more rational arguments can be made in many cases.

There are rare instances where the term can be applied within the context of a team sport. For instance, Lawrence Taylor did retire Joe Theismann. The man literally broke Theismann's leg so severely that the injury made the leg shorter than his other.

The 'one player retired another player' thing is almost exclusively one of the worst jokes of rationality. Tom Brady is considered the greatest of all-time in the sport of football. Michael Jordan is considered the greatest of all-time in the sport of basketball. Jordan's last game was against the Philadelphia 76ers.

The Sixers may have had a 'star' player playing that game. I do not know. I stopped being a 76er fan (and never adopted another team as a favorite) when Charles Barkley was 'allowed' to leave Philly, lol. I do know this though. That particular player did not force Jordan to retire.

The entire premise is almost ludicrous no matter who says it about any player in practically any sport. It does not matter if a Prescott supporter says it. It does not matter if a Prescott critic says it about another player. The logic is flawed almost 100% of the time.

However, the possibility exists that a counter-argument will be posted. That shall be entertaining.
 

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No, but Aaron Rodgers (a previous 4-time MVP), Joe Burrow (the guy the consensus ranked as the second best QB in football), and Kirk Cousins (who had closer MVP odds before he got injured to Dak than Dak did to Tua) all did.

With Watson and Murray and Richardson and Jones and Pickett and Tannehill all missing significant time to injury as well, 2023 was a historically bad year for starting QB reliability.
Yes, injuries don't happen every year!
 

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Is Dak better than Mahones, Josh, Lamar to you? How is that response even relative to anything being discussed?

This is about a response to someone saying the 2023 MVP field was weaker in a thread about Dak not being on an MVP list. I listed a guy who won one as recently as 2021, a guy viewed very recently as the second best QB in the league, and a guy whose career mirrors Dak to many.

What does it matter if Mahomes is better than all of them?
Dak was better than both of them last year... not really close either.
 

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Is defending Dak really worth it?

You're making yourself look foolish right now with this "injured QBs don't give non injured QBs a better chance at MVP" theory of yours.

ThE ChIEfs HaVe ThE SaMe SuPeR BoWl OdDs WiThOut MaHomEs ThAn WiTh HiM. InJuReD QbS DoN'T AfFeCT OdDs.
bRUHHHHHHHHHHH. You looking foolish with this one... (that's saying something for a you)
 

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All I know is Dak became All-Pro in a year where the Cowboys faced the 32nd ranked pass defense schedule. Dead last in the NFL.

Has any other QB became all pro with that type of advantage? I have no idea. I just know Dak did.
You keep saying "faced the 32nd ranked pass defense schedule"... can you share a link to this statistic?
 
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