Dak & Rush Stats

[USArmyVet]

Good point. But which defense between the Bengals, Commanders and Giants are on the level of the Bucs defense that Dak faced??? And let's not pretend like Rush didn't put 2 ints into the bellies of Washington players but was bailed out because of Washington's own incompetence.

Those ints had nothing to do with the penalties that were called either.

Last season in 2 games versus WASH and NYG Dak was:

vs. NYG 28 of 37 for 217 yards 1 TD 0 INT's QBR 78.6 sacked 3 times

vs. WASH 22 of 39 for 211 yards 1 TD 2 INT's QBR 12.3 sacked 4 times

Combined stats 50 of 76 for 428 yards 65.8% Comp % 2 TD's 2 INT's average QBR 45.45


Cooper Rush in 2 games vs WASH and NYG:

vs. NYG 21 of 31 for 215 yards 1 TD 0 INT's QBR 70 sacked 0 times

vs. WASH 15 of 27 for 223 yards 2 ID's 0 INT's QBR 74.9 sacked 1 time

Combined stats 36 of 58 for 438 yards 62.07% Comp % 3 TD's 0 INT's average QBR 72.45


Hmmmm, so against the same 2 teams Rush performed better yet you are diminishing Rush's performance this season. What about Dak????

 

[pete026]

So if you're going to analyze QB play, isnt QBR accepted as being one of the most reliable comparative measurements as it's a step advanced from basic stats ???

Now if you want to disparage Rush's number's you could comment that it's a small sample size, however, your final analysis just isnt backed up by the best comparative measuring algorithm.

Team PPG is a horrible stat to use for evaluating QB performance, especially when small sample size is a factor (even a single season).

It is fraught with error. So many factors outside of the QBs control can affect it for their good or bad. Special teams field position, defensive performance, turnovers for/against from other players on both offense/defense/ST, key injuries, penalties, etc. etc. Key injuries can particularly play a role in a small sample size.

Over a career, it could be an input, but even then it goes back to the level of performance of the team they play for. PPG is a team stat.

 

[Jarv]

If Cowboys fans want to judge Dak unfavorably, there is at least a large body of work to look at. And that body of work is actually very good with a 53-33 record as a starter, and career TD-Int ration of 143-51, which is excellent.

I do understand this- in his 7th year at a starting QB we have one playoff win. I get that, although I also believe the QB position gets way too much credit and way too much blame. That’s just the way it’s always been with QBs. Dak and this team are long overdue for some playoff success, so I get the criticism from that angle.

But I also think it’s important for fans to realize Cooper Rush has started 4 games. Four. And he’s looked very good while playing. But it’s not nearly enough of a sample size to simply say he’s worthy of taking over as the starter even after Dak is healthy.

If you’ve watched NFL football long enough you know that defensive coordinators in this league are building a “book” on Cooper Rush and how to take away what he likes to do. It usually takes 4-6 games before defenses start adjusting to a QBs strengths and tendencies. Cooper Rush is going to start seeing some different looks from defenses and he will then have an ever bigger chance to show something.

I’m glad we’re winning first and foremost. And I’m loyal first to the win column over any player. But I’m also a little Leary of thinking Cooper Rush is more than a good backup QB. His sample size is way too small to go beyond that yet IMO.

Nice post, agree with most of it about Cooper and the development of a "book" on him.

The numbers you show for Dak are excellent too, but the defensive coordinators out there also have a "book" on Dak pretty much since the Denver game last year.

Now it's up to the offensive coaches to adjust to the other teams defensive coordinators book and come up with things that will keep both QBs effective, or at least one of them.

He who shall be able to adjust the best shall win.

 

[Silver N Blue]

The only stat that matters is wins or losses.

 

[Hadenough]

Dak is 0-6 since mid-season last year against playoff teams completing 140/239 58% of his passes
and throwing 8 TD's and 7 INT's. (Den, KC, LV, AZ, SF, TB). Good thing for his LV
game numbers or it would be much worse

Heck Jimmy G has done a lot better in that same time. Oh and Jimmy G has more playoff wins than Dak can even dream about.
That is just pathetic! I warned these clowns about some measuring stick games and was told oh they have time to correct that. Those were the same fools that liked the 49ers match up after I kept saying that was a horrible matchup. Daks problem is hes great against trash but folds against competition.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Good point. But which defense between the Bengals, Commanders and Giants are on the level of the Bucs defense that Dak faced??? And let's not pretend like Rush didn't put 2 ints into the bellies of Washington players but was bailed out because of Washington's own incompetence.

Those ints had nothing to do with the penalties that were called either.

The defense that just got 41 dropped on them?

That defense?

 

[Hadenough]

Nice post, agree with most of it about Cooper and the development of a "book" on him.

The numbers you show for Dak are excellent too, but the defensive coordinators out there also have a "book" on Dak pretty much since the Denver game last year.

Now it's up to the offensive coaches to adjust to the other teams defensive coordinators book and come up with things that will keep both QBs effective, or at least one of them.

He who shall be able to adjust the best shall win.

Or he who executes the best! There are only so many plays you can run and you have to be able to trust your WR when the coverage is tighter against better teams.

 

[Slick]

If Cowboys fans want to judge Dak unfavorably, there is at least a large body of work to look at. And that body of work is actually very good with a 53-33 record as a starter, and career TD-Int ration of 143-51, which is excellent.

I do understand this- in his 7th year at a starting QB we have one playoff win. I get that, although I also believe the QB position gets way too much credit and way too much blame. That’s just the way it’s always been with QBs. Dak and this team are long overdue for some playoff success, so I get the criticism from that angle.

But I also think it’s important for fans to realize Cooper Rush has started 4 games. Four. And he’s looked very good while playing. But it’s not nearly enough of a sample size to simply say he’s worthy of taking over as the starter even after Dak is healthy.

If you’ve watched NFL football long enough you know that defensive coordinators in this league are building a “book” on Cooper Rush and how to take away what he likes to do. It usually takes 4-6 games before defenses start adjusting to a QBs strengths and tendencies. Cooper Rush is going to start seeing some different looks from defenses and he will then have an ever bigger chance to show something.

I’m glad we’re winning first and foremost. And I’m loyal first to the win column over any player. But I’m also a little Leary of thinking Cooper Rush is more than a good backup QB. His sample size is way too small to go beyond that yet IMO.

Excellent post. I just think that Dak’s sample size is enough to prove he’s not the long term solution.

 

[jterrell]

• Stats for Dak & Rush
  • The stats point to Dak being a really good QB.
  • The stats point to Rush being a backup QB with an elite defense.

• The Cowboys in 2021:
  • 1st in points scored
  • 2nd in passing yards
  • 3rd in passing TDs
  • 4th in Net Yards per Pass Attempt

• Team Points per Game
  • Rush
    • Rush starts in 2021: 20
    • Rush starts in 2022: 22.7
  • Dak
    • Dak starts in 2021: 32
    • Dak starts in 2021 close score games: 29
      • Score difference of less than 10 points.

• Defensive Help in 2022 Wins
  • 14.3 points per game allowed in 2022 wins
  • 28.2 points per game allowed in 2021 losses

• The Cowboys in 2020 (Dak vs other Backups)
  • Leading the league in passing yards at the point that Dak was injured.
  • ~300 yards ahead of the 2nd place team in total yards for the 5 games with Dak.
  • 32.6 points per game with Dak
  • 21.1 points per game without Dak (Andy Dalton at QB)

This is great research as always XW but the people posting negative about Dak have never cared about anything involving intelligent football takes or data driven discussion.
They are tilting at windmills and either full on trolls or bored basement dwellers starved for attention.
No one is complaining about a QB that won 12 games while leading the league's top tanked offense that has a working brain except as part of a bit.

 

[Doomsday101]

Rush filling in and keeping this team alive and in contention is big but Dallas will need Dak back behind center, some fans may not get it but many who cover the NFL (former players) know better and have said as much. Dak will give this team the best chance to win vs better teams where offense will need to put up points.

 

[jterrell]

Also missing is the turnover differential through 4 games.

I have found you can tell how bad a post is by looking at who liked it.
When you see the same 4-5 troglodytes int he like list you know you've lost the plot.

If you want to provide that data feel free.
WX isn't a research assistant on assignment for you.
He offered data, you offered nothing.
Counter it with data or ignore it.

 

[GINeric]

The defense that just got 41 dropped on them?

That defense?

Yep that defense that was missing a piece or two.....

But you still didn't answer the question.... which defense OR team was better than the HEALTHY Bucs we faced with Dak starting when they were at full strength except those 2 offensive linemen they were missing???

Is it the Bengals, Giants or Commanders???

After you answer that question, name one team in the NFL that the Chiefs AREN'T capable of dropping 40 points on.... You're spinning it like the Bucs loss to some bum KC team.

But yeah... if you could kindly answer those questions above for me please....

 

[GINeric]

Last season in 2 games versus WASH and NYG Dak was:

vs. NYG 28 of 37 for 217 yards 1 TD 0 INT's QBR 78.6 sacked 3 times

vs. WASH 22 of 39 for 211 yards 1 TD 2 INT's QBR 12.3 sacked 4 times

Combined stats 50 of 76 for 428 yards 65.8% Comp % 2 TD's 2 INT's average QBR 45.45


Cooper Rush in 2 games vs WASH and NYG:

vs. NYG 21 of 31 for 215 yards 1 TD 0 INT's QBR 70 sacked 0 times

vs. WASH 15 of 27 for 223 yards 2 ID's 0 INT's QBR 74.9 sacked 1 time

Combined stats 36 of 58 for 438 yards 62.07% Comp % 3 TD's 0 INT's average QBR 72.45


Hmmmm, so against the same 2 teams Rush performed better yet you are diminishing Rush's performance this season. What about Dak????

I see hou still can't read well because I've done nothing but praise Rush's play the last couple of weeks and said if he lead us to victory over the Eagles and Rams, he should be named the starter for the rest of the season.

Im on record saying this many times..... so what lie or spin can you put on that???

While you're thinking of that and we're bringing up stats.....

Let's compare Dak's first 6 seasons to Rush's first 6 seasons.....

While you're at it.... compare their production when both had the same amount of running attempts called on offense during those games.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Yep that defense that was missing a piece or two.....

But you still didn't answer the question.... which defense OR team was better than the HEALTHY Bucs we faced with Dak starting when they were at full strength except those 2 offensive linemen they were missing???

Is it the Bengals, Giants or Commanders???

After you answer that question, name one team in the NFL that the Chiefs AREN'T capable of dropping 40 points on.... You're spinning it like the Bucs loss to some bum KC team.

But yeah... if you could kindly answer those questions above for me please....

We're 4 weeks in the Bengals or Giants could very well have a better defense than the Bucs.

Tampa Bay is 6th in the NFL in PPG allowed at 17.0. They held the Dak led Cowboys to 3, so that helps offset that 41 the Chiefs dropped on them.

The Bengals are 8th at 17.5 and the Giants are 9th at 17.8. WOW Huge difference there, huh?

This isn't the 2020 Bucs defense. The 2021 Bucs defense wasn't even good at all.

You're making the old mistake of thinking what a team was 2 years ago they are the same team this year.

The Colts, yes the 1-2-1 Colts, held the Chiefs to 17. So, I'll go with the Colts for your 2nd question.

 

[GINeric]

We're 4 weeks in the Bengals or Giants could very well have a better defense than the Bucs.

Tampa Bay is 6th in the NFL in PPG allowed at 17.0. They held the Dak led Cowboys to 3, so that helps offset that 41 the Chiefs dropped on them.

The Bengals are 8th at 17.5 and the Giants are 9th at 17.8. WOW Huge difference there, huh?

This isn't the 2020 Bucs defense. The 2021 Bucs defense wasn't even good at all.

You're making the old mistake of thinking what a team was 2 years ago they are the same team this year.

The Colts, yes the 1-2-1 Colts, held the Chiefs to 17. So, I'll go with the Colts for your 2nd question.

Well why did this Bucs defense hold Aaron Rodgers to such modest numbers this year???

Oh.... i must not forget how heavily penalized we were in that first game vs the Bucs as well. Rush is playing great, and thank goodness we seem to have been able to cut down on penalties dramatically.

With that said, do you believe Rush would be able to lead us past a good team led Brady despite us having multiple multiple penalties???

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Well why did this Bucs defense hold Aaron Rodgers to such modest numbers this year???

Oh.... i must not forget how heavily penalized we were in that first game vs the Bucs as well. Rush is playing great, and thank goodness we seem to have been able to cut down on penalties dramatically.

With that said, do you believe Rush would be able to lead us past a good team led Brady despite us having multiple multiple penalties???

For one, I don't believe the Bucs are a good team right now.

So, yes, I believe Rush could do that because he seems to get guys in the right places and makes the right plays when needed.

We had more penalty yards against the Giants than we did against the Bucs. So, the penalty excuse don't hold that much weight with me.

There's no excuse for just 3 points.

 

[GINeric]

For one, I don't believe the Bucs are a good team right now.

So, yes, I believe Rush could do that because he seems to get guys in the right places and makes the right plays when needed.

We had more penalty yards against the Giants than we did against the Bucs. So, the penalty excuse don't hold that much weight with me.

There's no excuse for just 3 points.

Definitely no excuse for 3 points, but its not the end of the world that it happened in the first game of the season. It would be alarming if it happened after 4 or 5 games....

Now there have been elite quarterbacks that have been held out of the endzone all together..... ZERO touchdowns. Dak isn't elite and that happened to him.

So what do you have to say about the elite quarterbacks who are shut out???

And yes.... penalties do matter. Especially when your coordinator isn't calling a balanced running attack like he started to the next couple of weeks following.....

 

[Vandyr]

• Stats for Dak & Rush
  • The stats point to Dak being a really good QB.

You lost me here.

 

[USArmyVet]

I see hou still can't read well because I've done nothing but praise Rush's play the last couple of weeks and said if he lead us to victory over the Eagles and Rams, he should be named the starter for the rest of the season.

Im on record saying this many times..... so what lie or spin can you put on that???

While you're thinking of that and we're bringing up stats.....

Let's compare Dak's first 6 seasons to Rush's first 6 seasons.....

While you're at it.... compare their production when both had the same amount of running attempts called on offense during those games.

If you are going to attempt to insult someone's reading comprehension I suggest you first correct your grammar: "I see hou still can't read well"

Rush has always been a back-up if you wish to weakly compare Dak's first 6 seasons to Rush, why not compare Dak's first 6 seasons to actual starters like Mahomes, Allen, Burrows, Jackson? I suppose that's because Dak is a peon when compared to those QB's.....but you keep protecting Dak.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Definitely no excuse for 3 points, but its not the end of the world that it happened in the first game of the season. It would be alarming if it happened after 4 or 5 games....

Now there have been elite quarterbacks that have been held out of the endzone all together..... ZERO touchdowns. Dak isn't elite and that happened to him.

So what do you have to say about the elite quarterbacks who are shut out???

And yes.... penalties do matter. Especially when your coordinator isn't calling a balanced running attack like he started to the next couple of weeks following.....

You all are too concerned with the "Well, if it happens every now and then with elite QBs then we should accept Dak's bad play too".

Do you not see how flawed that logic is?

Dak is not at that level. Elite QBs are consider elite for a reason.

That reason is because they have proven it by leading their teams places while being huge reasons for that teams success.

Elite QBs can have a pass for a bad game every now and then, it happens even to the best, but Dak Prescott has done NOTHING to earn the pass that ya'll badly want to give him for his poor play.