Dak & Rush Stats

[GINeric]

You all are too concerned with the "Well, if it happens every now and then with elite QBs then we should accept Dak's bad play too".

Do you not see how flawed that logic is?

Dak is not at that level. Elite QBs are consider elite for a reason.

That reason is because they have proven it by leading their teams places while being huge reasons for that teams success.

Elite QBs can have a pass for a bad game every now and then, it happens even to the best, but Dak Prescott has done NOTHING to earn the pass that ya'll badly want to give him for his poor play.

I knew you weren't going to answer that because answering questions with a direct, clear cut answer isn't a strength of yours.

Let's call it what it is.... if Dak does something wrong or have a bad game, he should be benched or released. But if any other quarterbacks have bad games or do something wrong in games in the same fashion as Dak, you put a spin job on it or make up some other lame excuse.

You're the same person that hold Dak to a higher standard than 1st and 2nd round picks and Dak was drafted in the 4th ..... LOOOOOOOL.

I don't think you're a bad person, as a matter of fact, you seem pretty cool. But you're one of the biggest hypocrites on this board and you're one of many who love to move goal posts even if you have to ignore real life facts.

Rush is playing great and deserves to start especially if he leads us past ths Rams and Eagles.

As good as he is, it still makes me wonder why he got released so many times, the Giants couldn't find any use for him and why 31 other teams in 5 or 6 years never came after him. Do you think every gm on 31 teams are stupid???

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I knew you weren't going to answer that because answering questions with a direct, clear cut answer isn't a strength of yours.

Let's call it what it is.... if Dak does something wrong or have a bad game, he should be benched or released. But if any other quarterbacks have bad games or do something wrong in games in the same fashion as Dak, you put a spin job on it or make up some other lame excuse.

You're the same person that hold Dak to a higher standard than 1st and 2nd round picks and Dak was drafted in the 4th ..... LOOOOOOOL.

I don't think you're a bad person, as a matter of fact, you seem pretty cool. But you're one of the biggest hypocrites on this board and you're one of many who love to move goal posts even if you have to ignore real life facts.

Rush is playing great and deserves to start especially if he leads us past ths Rams and Eagles.

As good as he is, it still makes me wonder why he got released so many times, the Giants couldn't find any use for him and why 31 other teams in 5 or 6 years never came after him. Do you think every gm on 31 teams are stupid???

I read the first sentence and stopped.

I'm not going to continue to be insulted simply because I don't believe Dak is as good as you believe he is.

Don't waste your time posting towards me anymore because I'm no longer going to respond to you.

 

[john van brocklin]

Oh. stop it.
He was good for short stretches, but he was never elite.

First 6 games last year he most defitnitely was.
No Agenda, just calling it like I saw it.

 

[Shane612]

First 6 games last year he most defitnitely was.
No Agenda, just calling it like I saw it.

I guess it depends on what your definition of "elite" is.
Mine is if the player is in the MVP contention for two years, he is elite.
I don't think anyone has thought about Dak Prescott as the MVP, ever. Dak's ardent supporters here may have, but not anyone else.

 

[john van brocklin]

I guess it depends on what your definition of "elite" is.
Mine is if the player is in the MVP contention for two years, he is elite.
I don't think anyone has thought about Dak Prescott as the MVP, ever. Dak's ardent supporters here may have, but not anyone else.

Thanks, I am only talking 6 games so he would not fit your definition of elite.
He was playing the best I had ever seen him play.
I think teams were blitzing him and he was making them pay.
Once opposing defenses figured this out they just dropped back into coverage... he has been up and down ever since.

 

[GINeric]

I read the first sentence and stopped.

I'm not going to continue to be insulted simply because I don't believe Dak is as good as you believe he is.

Don't waste your time posting towards me anymore because I'm no longer going to respond to you.

No where in my post did i insult you. You're just a tender spirited individual who can't stand to be exposed for your hypocritical ways and I easily caught on to your game and antics.

You don't have to respond, thats cool. But just know this. There are others here who have caught on to your hypocrisy as well. THAT'S why you won't respond because you can't logically answer the questions or defend your crafty goal post moving.

You've been exposed!!!

 

[shabazz]

I’ve stopped being surprised at the mental gymnastics that must be employed to prop up a 7 year, 160 million dollar veteran against a 4 game start UDFA…..never have a few here been so insecure about their guy that they have to grasp at straws to disparage a backup Qb

If they Truly believed he was That much better, they wouldn’t waste time with these kind of threads put out their to convince people that they aren’t seeing…what they are really seeing.

they are seeing poise, decisiveness and most importantly, putting points on the board when the running had completely broken down to the tune of 55 rushing yards last week.

Seeing be believing

 

[shabazz]

I read the first sentence and stopped.

I'm not going to continue to be insulted simply because I don't believe Dak is as good as you believe he is.

Don't waste your time posting towards me anymore because I'm no longer going to respond to you.

That small group always goes to insults when they’ve lost the argument. If it’s not insults it’s a ridiculous stream of emojis

We may be literally trying to exchange ideas with adolescents…..and then it would make sense.

I don’t mean adolescents as an insult….I mean it literally as in age.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

That small group always goes to insults when they’ve lost the argument. If it’s not insults it’s a ridiculous stream of emojis

We may be literally trying to exchange ideas with adolescents…..and then it would make sense.

I don’t mean adolescents as an insult….I mean it literally as in age.

Any answer besides "You're right. Dak is amazing" is met with insults.

It's just very immature and childish and I'm not going back and forth with these individuals anymore about it.

 

[USArmyVet]

No where in my post did i insult you. You're just a tender spirited individual who can't stand to be exposed for your hypocritical ways and I easily caught on to your game and antics.

You don't have to respond, thats cool. But just know this. There are others here who have caught on to your hypocrisy as well. THAT'S why you won't respond because you can't logically answer the questions or defend your crafty goal post moving.

You've been exposed!!!

What are you the Sherlock Holmes of the CZ? Stop trying to prove yourself right in your own mind as it amounts to nothing.

PS

Nice to see you didn't hurl an insult in your post to MC: "you're one of the biggest hypocrites on this board"

 

[CowboyoWales]

This is great research as always XW but the people posting negative about Dak have never cared about anything involving intelligent football takes or data driven discussion.
They are tilting at windmills and either full on trolls or bored basement dwellers starved for attention.
No one is complaining about a QB that won 12 games while leading the league's top tanked offense that has a working brain except as part of a bit.

QBR ....Cough, cough

 

[shabazz]

I understand an small group of guys here desperately clinging to their man because they have spent 7 years defending and apologizing for his wilting in big games and that’s fine.

But some of them wouldn’t take Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes in a straight up trade for Dakota. I would give both qbs, both RBs and Demarcus Lawrence for either of those qbs.

I have zero allegiance to any player not name parsons or Martin, to make this team a True championship contender……actually I would consider Martin since he’s nearing the twilight of his fine career

 

[Runwildboys]

I read the first sentence and stopped.

I'm not going to continue to be insulted simply because I don't believe Dak is as good as you believe he is.

Don't waste your time posting towards me anymore because I'm no longer going to respond to you.

Aww damn, you missed his compliment!

 

[erod]

Fantasy football post.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I’ve stopped being surprised at the mental gymnastics that must be employed to prop up a 7 year, 160 million dollar veteran against a 4 game start UDFA…..never have a few here been so insecure about their guy that they have to grasp at straws to disparage a backup Qb

If they Truly believed he was That much better, they wouldn’t waste time with these kind of threads put out their to convince people that they aren’t seeing…what they are really seeing.

they are seeing poise, decisiveness and most importantly, putting points on the board when the running had completely broken down to the tune of 55 rushing yards last week.

Seeing be believing

Cooper Rush has done twice in 4 games started what Dak has only done 6 times in his entire career.

That is lead us to wins with less than 100 yards of rushing support.

 

[Kevinicus]

1. The Cowboys in 2021 was last year. That was a different roster. So that means nothing to the current roster.

2. PPG? Who cares? We're scoring enough points to be ahead of the other team when it's over. When/if we lose in a shoot out with Rush at QB then we'll talk.

3. You're comparing the wins with Rush to the loses with Dak? Of course they are going to be different. Why didn't you use the PPG allowed in 2021 wins? It seems you cherry picked this one big time. Come on now.

4. 2020, the mythological Dak season that wasn't. I'm so over hearing about his 3 1/2 games in 2020 and what he did and didn't do. Who cares?

Cherry picking to the extreme.

Also left out:

Dak in 2022 - 3 PPG (one game sample is apparently good enough for Rush in 2021, but not Dak in 2022).
Dak defensive help in 2022 - 19 PPG (and only that high in large part due to the 3 PPG above, and Dak's INT).

2020 - all the other injuries, particularly to the OL.
2020 - the teams win rate with Dak, and the teams win rate without him (particularly with Dalton).
2020 - not sure without checking, but possibly lumping 3rd and 4th string QBs in with Dalton on the PPG?

Edit: Almost forgot - 2021 - defensive turnovers - but those surely wouldn't impact scoring would they? Nah.

 

[blueblood70]

• Stats for Dak & Rush
  • The stats point to Dak being a really good QB.
  • The stats point to Rush being a backup QB with an elite defense.

• The Cowboys in 2021:
  • 1st in points scored
  • 2nd in passing yards
  • 3rd in passing TDs
  • 4th in Net Yards per Pass Attempt

• Team Points per Game
  • Rush
    • Rush starts in 2021: 20
    • Rush starts in 2022: 22.7
  • Dak
    • Dak starts in 2021: 32
    • Dak starts in 2021 close score games: 29
      • Score difference of less than 10 points.

• Defensive Help in 2022 Wins
  • 14.3 points per game allowed in 2022 wins
  • 28.2 points per game allowed in 2021 losses

• The Cowboys in 2020 (Dak vs other Backups)
  • Leading the league in passing yards at the point that Dak was injured.
  • ~300 yards ahead of the 2nd place team in total yards for the 5 games with Dak.
  • 32.6 points per game with Dak
  • 21.1 points per game without Dak (Andy Dalton at QB)

thanks for clarifying what ive been saying and already KNEW.

 

[blueblood70]

Waiting for basement GM eye test and other reasons and excuses.

Clearly who needs to be the starter though as to scoring. Last years 1st 5 game Dak with this years defense. Could be lethal. Goodell and Mara will be making up rules as they play.

Haters won't admit it or cant see it.

 

[MyFairLady]

So far Dak is 40 million dollars worth of meh. Rush has been 1 million dollars worth of let's go baby!

 

[blueblood70]

I understand the intent behind these posts. At face value, the numbers should theoretically "prove" that Dak will do better than Rush currently is.

But a lot of people here are unwilling to acknowledge that something is mentally and/or mechanically wrong with Dak.

He hasn't been nearly as effective (in general, with the exception of a couple games late in the 2021 regular season) since the Denver game last year.

And that lack of confidence/ability bled over into 2022. THAT is my main concern. He couldn't muster more than a FG against a defense that just gave up 41 points.

Does previous versions of Dak have the ability to step in and start scoring 30 ppg? Of course. But current Dak isn't THAT Dak, in my opinion.

That's not me being a hater, it's me giving my honest assessment. I WANT Dak to come in and dominate, like a lot of you say he will. But I don't think he can.

seriously??!!


that what you got from that??

something wrong with DAK? look at the defense? sts? coahign and level of competition? its all right there in front of you..

the penalty's by the OL alone, not mentioned, torpedoed all those drives against those teams with better records still outside of the Denver game, all close and we were in it until they end.. Daks better, PERIOD, nothing wrong with dak, exception, hes not superman and can't cover up all the miscues in those games.
the 2022 TB game same chit, different year , THE wide open pass happy and well regurgitated and easily picked apart offensive gameplan, WSRs dropped passes, weren't open, once again defense allowed TB to run far too Easily, get TOP off balance etc etc etc..I mean with support Dak can wins, without it he at least can generate more points but can't control the chaos around him.

this is pretty obvious without those stats , most sane fans and Media, ex-players, current players and coaches all day daks better.. odd huh? those 48% of fans who want rush all are mostly Dak haters or blind very fringe fans parroting nonsense they see from other fans.