Dak should be given two more seasons after this one to win

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He and a couple others run and hide like cowards when we win with Dak under center.... but when we lose, these same mouth breathing, basement dwellers post all week until their finger tips bleed.

That's just why they are what I always call them.

some of them outwardly wishing Dallas to lose in the playoffs so they can gloat.

I call them Bash Dak over Dallas crowd

@MountaineerCowboy @PAPPYDOG

 

[USArmyVet]

Well I'm sure Dak has changed out of plays, but here's the catch.... we've made the same dumb mistakes of NOT running the ball at times we should have been running the ball when Cooper Rush was starting.

Do you think Dak was responsible for changing those calls while wearing a cast and no headset on the sidelines??

With the exception of the Philly game, Dallas relied heavily on the running game and defense in 4 of the games Rush started.

Rush pass attempts in first 4 games he started during Dak's injury: 31, 31, 27, 16 (105 pass attempts for an average of 26 attempts/game; Dallas went 4-0 and Rush had 4 TD's and 0 INT's)

Dallas rush attempts in Rush' first 4 games started: 27, 30, 29, 34 (120 rush attempts for an average of 30 attempts/game)

The loss to Philly saw Rush throw 38 times and rush 26 times....something most called out as a bad play calling game by Moore as the formula for relying on the run and defense was working and the passing game is what lost Dallas that game (3 bad INT's).

Interesting to note is that the first 2 games after injury saw Dak pass for 42 total attempts (21 attempts/game) while Dallas ran the ball 61 times (30.5 attempts/game) and resulted in dominant Dallas wins while seeing Dak have 3 TD's to 1 INT.

In the 8 games since the above 2 referenced games, Dak has thrown for 276 attempts (34.5 attempts/game) while the Dallas offense has rushed 273 times (34 attempts/game) of which 29 of those attempts were by Dak (without those carries Dallas has 244 carries for an average of 30.5 attempts/game) and Dak has 19 TD's and 13 INT's during those 8 games.


So ultimately what the stats show is that Dallas has been rushing the ball pretty consistently throughout the season regardless of QB (roughly 30 attempts/game) but the passing attempts have gone up nearly 10 attempts a game which may help stats but as Dak's TD/INT ratio shows is not good for turnover margins.

 

[buddahjoe445]

Smart coordinators stick to what's working. There have been games where our running game has started out hitting for 5 or 6 yards a clip.... then Kellen Moore starts calling pass plays as the defense gets wore down.

You know what intelligent offensive coordinators do in situations like that??? THEY KEEP RUNNING THE BALL until you show you can stop it!!

But not Kellen Moore!!! This dummy will call two straight pass plays on 2nd, 3rd and inches to go. But I like your faith in Kellen Moore. Too bad other NFL teams don't see what you see.

If Dak and Kellen Moore both were cut today, who do you think would be hired by an NFL team first???

That's right, it would be Dak.....

Coordinators calls plays before the other team lines up. They are in fact guessing, using their best judgement, what the other team is going to do. QBs have the time to read how the defense lines up and determine if the called play is the best to run. If not, they can change the play. Can't blame Moore for everything when Dak checks out of runs often.

If Dak and Moore are cut today, Moore gets a job first because no one else is going to pay Dak $40M. Dak is an average QB and you don't pay an average QB a franchise crippling sum of money unless you're Jerry.

 

[Swagger]

With the exception of the Philly game, Dallas relied heavily on the running game and defense in 4 of the games Rush started.

Rush pass attempts in first 4 games he started during Dak's injury: 31, 31, 27, 16 (105 pass attempts for an average of 26 attempts/game; Dallas went 4-0 and Rush had 4 TD's and 0 INT's)

Dallas rush attempts in Rush' first 4 games started: 27, 30, 29, 34 (120 rush attempts for an average of 30 attempts/game)

The loss to Philly saw Rush throw 38 times and rush 26 times....something most called out as a bad play calling game by Moore as the formula for relying on the run and defense was working and the passing game is what lost Dallas that game (3 bad INT's).

Interesting to note is that the first 2 games after injury saw Dak pass for 42 total attempts (21 attempts/game) while Dallas ran the ball 61 times (30.5 attempts/game) and resulted in dominant Dallas wins while seeing Dak have 3 TD's to 1 INT.

In the 8 games since the above 2 referenced games, Dak has thrown for 276 attempts (34.5 attempts/game) while the Dallas offense has rushed 273 times (34 attempts/game) of which 29 of those attempts were by Dak (without those carries Dallas has 244 carries for an average of 30.5 attempts/game) and Dak has 19 TD's and 13 INT's during those 8 games.


So ultimately what the stats show is that Dallas has been rushing the ball pretty consistently throughout the season regardless of QB (roughly 30 attempts/game) but the passing attempts have gone up nearly 10 attempts a game which may help stats but as Dak's TD/INT ratio shows is not good for turnover margins.

Interesting

 

[GINeric]

Coordinators calls plays before the other team lines up. They are in fact guessing, using their best judgement, what the other team is going to do. QBs have the time to read how the defense lines up and determine if the called play is the best to run. If not, they can change the play. Can't blame Moore for everything when Dak checks out of runs often.

If Dak and Moore are cut today, Moore gets a job first because no one else is going to pay Dak $40M. Dak is an average QB and you don't pay an average QB a franchise crippling sum of money unless you're Jerry.

Much respect to your post!!

With that said, do you think you can find me a link of any Hall of Famers, current or former players, coaches, GMs claiming Dak is an "average" quarterback??

I can send you links of them saying Dak is a very good or top 10 quarterback. I respect your opinion, I really do, but do you believe your opinion hold more weight than the experience and knowledge of Hall of Famers, current and former players, coaches and GMs??

My last question is.... if Dak is an average quarterback who's production has kept him in the top 10 season after season, is it safe to suggest that the other 22 starting quarterbacks who aren't in the top 10 are BELOW average???

 

[GINeric]

some of them outwardly wishing Dallas to lose in the playoffs so they can gloat.

I call them Bash Dak over Dallas crowd

@MountaineerCowboy @PAPPYDOG

They claim to be fans, but everyone knows they're the biggest frauds on CZ. I picked that up when they were angry after our wins and disappeared like cowards. I believe they're Commanders fans.

Weaklings do weak things.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

They claim to be fans, but everyone knows they're the biggest frauds on CZ. I picked that up when they were angry after our wins and disappeared like cowards. I believe they're Commanders fans.

Weaklings do weak things.

MC is an eagles fan. he often celebrates them and really liked Wentz and defended him to no end and he is a huge huge Hurts fan. already annointed him....

pappy is a lost soul. he just wants attention. probably was a class clown. now in his early adulthood, his schtick is no longer funny, so he comes to the forum for attention. I asked him to show one single post he ever made that had any football related item discussing a single game or play. he couldn't. one of my guesses is he works as a customer service agent.

 

[offlimits]

The Cowboys failure to do much of anything in the postseason for over a quarter century isn't the fault of Dak, Romo, or any other QB during that time.

There have been two constants.

How would like to be 22 years younger than your father... but look just as old?

 

[offlimits]

They claim to be fans, but everyone knows they're the biggest frauds on CZ. I picked that up when they were angry after our wins and disappeared like cowards. I believe they're Commanders fans.

Weaklings do weak things.

Agree. Probably trolls.

 

[xwalker]

I'm comparing him to Derek Carr who I think is in the same range as Dak talentwise he was benched and is going to be gone after this season, this is Carr's 9th season. Dak in his 7th season threw the same amount of INTs as Carr this season in 5 less games. I'm not saying get rid of Dak now but if he doesn't win this playoffs or the next two it's time to move on. He'll be 30 next summer no team really keeps a QB for 15-20 years that doesn't win it just doesn't happen. At some point you have to show you can win a Super Bowl, that is the entire point of the game not regular season wins or TDs.

They need to develop another option before they even consider moving on from Dak.

They almost drafted QB Sam Howell in the 5th round of the 2022 NFL draft.

They should consider drafting an upside type QB in the mid rounds of the 2023 draft.

 

[xwalker]

Give him a 10-year extension at 1 billion $ just because he is D-A-K.
All the glory we have witnessed with him under center one wishes he would play (Like Brady) till his 45!

That's probably a good deal because QBs that sign contracts 10 years from now will likely be averaging 200M per...

 

[conner01]

In a way you have to laugh at how delusional the front office are. I listed a whole host of teams who admitted to themselves that they had a QB that wouldn't win the big one so they blew their nose and moved on. The Raiders have now cottoned on yet the Vikings and Cowboys still stick by Cousins and Prescott. Let's see how that works out.

I don’t think any nfl front office thinks situations are the same
None think Carr is as good as dak

 

[conner01]

They need to develop another option before they even consider moving on from Dak.

They almost drafted QB Sam Howell in the 5th round of the 2022 NFL draft.

They should consider drafting an upside type QB in the mid rounds of the 2023 draft.

I think you should always have a guy you see as having potential but it’s very rare that they turn out to be a top half of the league QB

 

[buddahjoe445]

Much respect to your post!!

With that said, do you think you can find me a link of any Hall of Famers, current or former players, coaches, GMs claiming Dak is an "average" quarterback??

I can send you links of them saying Dak is a very good or top 10 quarterback. I respect your opinion, I really do, but do you believe your opinion hold more weight than the experience and knowledge of Hall of Famers, current and former players, coaches and GMs??

My last question is.... if Dak is an average quarterback who's production has kept him in the top 10 season after season, is it safe to suggest that the other 22 starting quarterbacks who aren't in the top 10 are BELOW average???

more and more experts are criticizing Dak's play, especially his struggles with reading the defense. its rare for media, former players, coaches, experts as you are referring them to, to criticize current players. its just unprofessional so most will temper their language. prime example is Zach Wilson. he is terrible and no one says the honest things everyone is thinking.

top 10 are above average to elite. middle 10 are average. the rest are below average. Dak is often rated in the middle 10, average. you can't pay an average QB top 5 salary and expect to field a complete team. its rare for a team with a not top 10 QB to win a SB. Cowboys chances of winning a SB went down the toilet the minute Jerry signed Dak to his huge contract. Can't blame Dak for it, I'm sure he is a nice person. But, he doesn't elevate or carry this team. He is a classic bus driver.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

and Romo? and the ones before him. but I guess the past 27 years can some how be blamed on Dak....I guess he jinxed cowboys when he was born....

Dear Buffalo Bayou prisoner:
I am only interested in the NOW and you bring up your past frustrations.
Dak for 9 years to give him a chance to produce?
Naw, chap, he is a bum and will never advance past the 1st round.
Tha is what I am focused on, not 20 years ago.

 

[Runwildboys]

I think you should always have a guy you see as having potential but it’s very rare that they turn out to be a top half of the league QB

Not that rare. Our last 2 fit. But I know what you're saying. We got very lucky with both.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

For the record, even though Dak has been with the team 7 seasons, he's only played 6 full seasons in games due to missing 11.7 games of 2020 and 5.3 games of 2022. That should count as 6 full seasons in total games played, thus giving him 3 more seasons to play to win it all.

Sounds like you don't expect him to win.

 

[Wangchung83]

I don’t think you understand the comment, this points out that Daren Carr hasn’t had anything around him. There was one year with good receiver, never two. Which tight end has he ever had, running back? Dak has had talent around him and still can’t get it done. I know you’re a homer, but really why not bring Carr in here, mayfield, etc. to make Dak work for his starting job. I bet Carr will get picked up bc someone sees his accuracy vs Dak when he hit every target.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm comparing him to Derek Carr who I think is in the same range as Dak talentwise he was benched and is going to be gone after this season, this is Carr's 9th season. Dak in his 7th season threw the same amount of INTs as Carr this season in 5 less games. I'm not saying get rid of Dak now but if he doesn't win this playoffs or the next two it's time to move on. He'll be 30 next summer no team really keeps a QB for 15-20 years that doesn't win it just doesn't happen. At some point you have to show you can win a Super Bowl, that is the entire point of the game not regular season wins or TDs.

And what about the rest of the team. Do they get 2 years too?

Carr was benched because he was playing terrible and the team was consistently losing. Nothing to do with Dak or the Cowboys.

Carr is not on the same level as Dak, but thats another useless argument.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Smart coordinators stick to what's working. There have been games where our running game has started out hitting for 5 or 6 yards a clip.... then Kellen Moore starts calling pass plays as the defense gets wore down.

You know what intelligent offensive coordinators do in situations like that??? THEY KEEP RUNNING THE BALL until you show you can stop it!!

But not Kellen Moore!!! This dummy will call two straight pass plays on 2nd, 3rd and inches to go. But I like your faith in Kellen Moore. Too bad other NFL teams don't see what you see.

If Dak and Kellen Moore both were cut today, who do you think would be hired by an NFL team first???

That's right, it would be Dak.....

He's gone on interviews the last few years and is always in the discussion for head coaching positions.

This is going to be the 3rd year in a row where Moore's offense, with Dak behind Center is the #1 scoring offense in the NFL. And considering most were crying about losing Cooper, Wilson, Williams, and Collins, he has done well.

Biggest issue I have with Moore is he took way too long to get Pollard involved and he still gives the ball to Zeke too much.