Dak should be given two more seasons after this one to win

GoldenR

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That's the funny thing. I hear all this about "Dak needs to go", or "We will never win anything with him". However, I hardly ever hear a replacement. And I hear people on here say "Oh, well, we will just draft one". That's not a sure fire thing. Yes, we will eventually have to draft a replacement, but I think there are a lot of teams that would like to have Dak over their current young QBs. I think the Jets would see, for example, Dak as a night and day upgrade over Zach Wilson, was the number 2 pick in 2021. I think the Panthers, who've been through the QB switches lately, would love to have Dak. Ask the Colts what they'd think of Dak was offered to them in a trade. Houston would do backflips if they could have Dak. I could go on. The point is, Dak is a better QB than I think a lot on here give him credit, and I think a lot of fans on here do not understand just how hard it is to get a good QB, including in the draft. Oh, and by the way, I'll add Mac Jones into the discussion. He's turning into a bit of an egomaniac, and he's been putrid for the Patriots. I think Belichick would love to have Dak. I think we can win with Dak. However, I can ot share a direct replacement that would be capable of succeeding Dak right now.
All the teams you named are not in the playoffs, so they would even take K. Cousins! Most on here are saying it's been 8 years! Time to go in a different direction after one playoff win.
 

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Dak will throw us out of the playoffs!
Book it!
Deer in the headlights coming soon........
And that's the problem. He turns it over twice against Brady, we are bounced out quickly. You can do that twice against these other chumps and stay in the game.
 

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And that's the problem. He turns it over twice against Brady, we are bounced out quickly. You can do that twice against these other chumps and stay in the game.
Buccs suck. Y'all need to stop hyping them up they have 8 wins for a reason. Because they've been beating "chumps" as you say.
 

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You're wrong also.

I don't see you admitting that Dak isn't a top 10 QB.

Unless we're talking about INTs. Then he'd be top 10.
I'm wrong on nothing. Dak's one of the best QB's in the league. FACT. Just because your silly *** doesn't see it means nothing. There's always a "slow one".
 

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I'm comparing him to Derek Carr who I think is in the same range as Dak talentwise he was benched and is going to be gone after this season, this is Carr's 9th season. Dak in his 7th season threw the same amount of INTs as Carr this season in 5 less games. I'm not saying get rid of Dak now but if he doesn't win this playoffs or the next two it's time to move on. He'll be 30 next summer no team really keeps a QB for 15-20 years that doesn't win it just doesn't happen. At some point you have to show you can win a Super Bowl, that is the entire point of the game not regular season wins or TDs.

What is the Cowboys record in games Dak has started?
It would be interesting to see a stat that shows every starting super bowl QB of the past 25 years and how many years they played in the league prior to making it to the SB.

How many years did it take Matt Ryan before he got to a SB?
How about Jim Plunkett?

You are a a losing qb, until you are not, as far as Super Bowls go.
 

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Here's the simple truth with Dak moving forward. He is going to have to THROW THE FOOTBALL to win in the playoffs. Our run game opens that up more than any team in the playoffs, period. Brady/Fournette, Mahomes/Pacheco, Allen/ Singletary, Burrow/Mixon, Rogers/Jones, etc......QB's and coaches are not saying " let those RB's of ours get us to where we want to be", that's laughable! If you believe Dak can take us through the playoffs throwing the ball, your more than welcome to believe that. One more thing, with our DB's being below average Dak is definitely going to have to throw!! STOP LISTENING TO THE TALKING HEADS THAT POLLARD AND ZEKE ARE THE KEY TO OUR TEAM IN THE PLAYOFFS.
Teams win rings. If you think Pollard and Zeke can average 3 yards a carry like they have been and we will win? Well good luck with that. Y'all are caught up on game scripts. Maybe its because BSPN tells y'all we have to follow a script to win.

The best team wins. Cowboys need their best players to show up. Nobody has the pass. They need Dak to show up, Parsons, Pollard, Zeke....they need their best players to show up on the big stage.
 

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Can we stop with this QBs win by themselves nonsense? Derek Carr has had nothing but one coaching and OC change after another, and usually cursed with a bad defense. It's a team sport. Fans simplify it to just the QB for their own convenience. It's easy.

Even Tom Brady hasn't won by himself. It's no coincidence that he had coaching continuity, and a top 10 defense, for years at New England.


sure it takes a team, but the team is mostly in place and is still avg as avg can be. Hell, In cincy they were the worst. Burrow shows up and bam in the SB and currently one of the best teams in the NFL.

Colst were the worst team, got Peyton Manning and bam, SB contender for his entire career.
Bucs had missed the playoffs for 11 years, Brady Shows up and Bam, wins a SB.

Those are FACTS, has little to do with convenience.
 

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Why is it that no one gets upset if you say give a coach 2 more years, or a WR, or a RB, or a defensive player no problem saying any of those but there's a problem with the QB? Why is that? The QB is considered to be the most important position not just in football but in all of sports.

I never said Dak is supposed to win by himself, but he plays a very significant role in winning or losing. If somehow he plays fantastic and we lose then that's different, but it usually doesn't happen that way in football. I'm giving him 3 more chances to do some good things in the playoffs if he fails it's time to move on. I think that's totally fair.


Good point... if it is such a team sport, how come Ive never heard in my entire life people say, well, it is time to get rid of Barry Sanders, he's been here 8 years and never won a Super Bowl?
 

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the phrase you are looking for is the Dunning-Krueger effect sometimes called the Lake Wobegon effect where all children are above average.
I am looking for the:
Just because I was successful at the oil business I must be able to be successful as an NFL GM effect.
 

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Here is the difference between me and some of you ... if we win the Superbowl and Dak plays well enough to help us win that said Superbowl, I am man enough to admit I was wrong, and give the dude credit, and be like a pig in poop.

If Dak plays bad and we lose in the first round (currently 1-3), you Dak gobblers don't have it in you to put ANY blame on him, but will quickly look for other reasons to blame.

That is the difference.
 

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The Cowboys failure to do much of anything in the postseason for over a quarter century isn't the fault of Dak, Romo, or any other QB during that time.

There have been two constants.

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So when the team was a number 1 seed and we had a wr drop a ball that cost us the game against the team that went on to win the SB.... thats those two guys fault?
 

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Dak as much as he deserves criticism is not the reason we can not get over the hump, more often than not our D just bends and breaks through December and Jan, when the real important games are played, same thing with our Oline, it just crumbles in the Poff's that is not on the QB.
 

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So let's stop making scapegoats of players and coaches for their incompetence. If they were actual employees they'd have been fired years ago.

Expecting these two bozos to finally get it right is more than I can muster. They've been at this long enough to prove they can, and they've failed.

and yet every year the next hot shot coach get hired, we hear a press conference telling us how they are going to turn it around and a few years later said hot shot coach is fired because his team sucks.
Why do you think Sean Payton quit to "Spend time with his family?"
Why is it Dann Quinn said hell no to the Broncos and will do so again this year?
 

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Technically Dak only count for 6 full seasons because of the broken ankle. With that said Dak has the same amount of playoff success in 6 seasons as Drew Brees.... one playoff win in that time. Hell, it took Matt Stafford until his 11th, 12th season to get his first playoff win and he's a first round drafted quarterback.

With that said, I would give Dak one more season on this roster. Dak has to lead us deeper into the playoffs to get more time in Dallas IMO.

However, I would like to see Dak in an offense WITHOUT Kellen Moore running it. Dak has played well despite being handicapped by the dumbest offensive coordinator in all of football.

wow, so the dumbest O coordinator has led the top scoring offense in the last two seasons, all while being a moron. Thats pretty amazing.
 

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I'm comparing him to Derek Carr who I think is in the same range as Dak talentwise he was benched and is going to be gone after this season, this is Carr's 9th season. Dak in his 7th season threw the same amount of INTs as Carr this season in 5 less games. I'm not saying get rid of Dak now but if he doesn't win this playoffs or the next two it's time to move on. He'll be 30 next summer no team really keeps a QB for 15-20 years that doesn't win it just doesn't happen. At some point you have to show you can win a Super Bowl, that is the entire point of the game not regular season wins or TDs.

Most players aren't in the league for 15-20 years anyway, but it seems QB longevity has gone up. Its not unheard of for teams to keep QBs that don't win Super Bowls earlier in their career for them to stay a long time with their respective teams. Here's 4 that come to mind.

Dan Marino
John Elway- I think he didn't win a Super Bowl until what his 14th-15th season?
Phillip Rivers
Matt Ryan

I certainly get your thought process here though, the probability of an older QB winning a Super Bowl for the first time goes down significantly. It seems most either do it their first few years in the league or for others like Drew Brees and Peyton Manning 30 was the magical number. If Dak hasn't gotten it done by his early 30s, depending on the state of the team at the time maybe it is wise to think about the future.

Let's hope this is the year the team breaks through.
 
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