Dak struggled last week with very little help but tonight he outplayed Herbert!

[blueblood70]

The Cowboys had a pressure rate of over 47% against Herbert last night. I don't know what the Chargers rate was against Dallas but I don't think it was that high. Herbert was clearly affected by the Cowboys pressure most of the night. Yes, there were a few plays where he had no pressure, but you could see the Cowboys got close to him a lot.

Dak was really good last night. He made plays with his feet and created opportunities for big plays escaping the pocket.

My concern is, the pass coverage was not very good again most of the night. If not for the pass rush, and Herbert misfiring a bunch of times, who knows how many points the Chargers may have scored. Herbert missed Allen who was wide open down the sideline when he juked Bland out of his cleats. That could have been a TD is the ball didn't sail over Allen's head. There was a couple of plays like that.

I don't care what your analytics say or they go back and try to see what pressures were yes Prescott was under the same amount of pressure all game The thing is he was more mobile he escaped the pocket and he avoided like 5 sacks and made plays so him running out of the pocket may have affected the actual stat that says he wasn't pressured when he actually was he was under just as much to rest all night and he had no run game whatsoever to support him the offensive line has been terrible most of this year I'm sorry I'm giving them a C minus for the entire year but they've been games where they get an F for opening holes and having blocking long enough for the quarterback to be successful it's been on the line this year they are not good and I believe it has to do with Mike McCarthy and the new offensive line coach it needs to get fixed in this bye week!

Prescott literally was the leading rusher and the leading passer for both teams... That should tell you something the man did everything he could to not turn the ball over and to escape a massive pass rush with no help with a threat in the run game!!

That's two games in a row it looked just like that it was a disaster up front...

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

Not sure he has any better arm talent than Matt Stafford, who has great arm talent himself, which is why he was the number one overall pick years ago.

Agree, MS could always wing the ball, even when he had Calvin Johnson.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Tyron is at the end of his career. He isn't old in age but he entered the league very young and injuries took its toll. Martin is aging as well and isn't as durable as he used to be.

2016 was the peak of the OL. Since then, it has been downhill for various reasons.

From what I see Tyron isn’t the issue. He’s not what he once was but I can live with him. It’s the interior that’s scaring me. They aren’t running on the outside and that’s suppose to be where Steele excels.

 

[TwentyOne]

Herbert had MUCH better pass protection than Dak, but played a MUCH worse game!

That is a FACT!

Dak was forced to scramble around ALL game long. He was sacked 4 times( one was maybe his fault, but no one was open on that one!). BUT, Dak was still able to move the team down the field when he needed to. He was able avoid the rush on enough plays, and make really good throws, to help lead us to victory. The running game didn’t help Dak either. The FG drive was excellent!

On the other hand Herbert missed wide open receivers, with no pressure, throughout the game.

Herbert was not clutch, Dak was.

Last week, I was ready to give up on Dak, but tonight he looked very good considering he was forced to carry the offense.

I will say the D played EXCELLENT. They were put in a lot of tough situations and only gave up 17 points. Micah came thru with the big sack AND Gilmore, played like the smart veteran he is, and jumped the route on the int!!!!!!!

You seem to change your opinion about a player every game?!

Given for a bad NFL QB Dak played a good game. But the offensive gameplan was so simplyfied and dumbed down for him. Any good QB should have had a field day given the way the Chargers played defense.
And seriously i could care less how Herbert played. The problem is our QB. If some other team has a problem at their QB position they have to solve it on their own too.

I for myself take Herbert everytime over Prescott. That this is even a question is ridiculous. The guy aint no competition.

I think for the talent our D has and that their are were promoted as the teams strength a few days ago they played only ok. Parsons and our Hot Boy DFlaw were MIA the whole game. Micah had one sack in the last drive. Given good players make plays when they are needed the most. But would he have played a good game for 60 minutes there wouldnt have been no need for that sack in the last drive.

Overall this team to me is a contender. Maybe the injury to Diggs makes them only a championship team. The only piece is missing is a competent QB.

 

[Blackspider214]

That’s what I’ve noticed from Herbert. Consistency. I think Moore is doing what he can and even last night he was probably a little more off than normal but this is why they score points and yards but still lose. Lack of consistency.

Last night summed up Moore his whole career. Starts fast and then fizzles out. Be it in a game or the season. LAC went right down the field like SF did last week on their opening drive. Except SF knew how to keep it going. LAC after that drive, didn't do anything. In fact, that should have been their only TD aside from that weird special teams blunder in the 4th that gave them the ball deep in our territory.

And you are correct on Herbert. He isn't consistent at all. Sure, if you watch his highlight reel, looks really good because yes, he can make some great plays. But the thing is, all NFL QBs can do that when the situation is right. The thing that separates the great ones is how consistent are you throughout a game or a season. Can you hit those passes that needs to be hit to extend drives. All of these types of plays that aren't on highlight reels. Can't judge players just based on the highlights you show me.

Herbert is even more inconsistent than Dak yet he gets a ton of excuses made for him

 

[nate dizzle]

Yeah that’s crap. So you think if he just had better pocket awareness he would clean up that Khalil Mack sack huh lol?

Lol. You picked one sack. Now look at the rest of them.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Last night summed up Moore his whole career. Starts fast and then fizzles out. Be it in a game or the season. LAC went right down the field like SF did last week on their opening drive. Except SF knew how to keep it going. LAC after that drive, didn't do anything. In fact, that should have been their only TD aside from that weird special teams blunder in the 4th that gave them the ball deep in our territory.

And you are correct on Herbert. He isn't consistent at all. Sure, if you watch his highlight reel, looks really good because yes, he can make some great plays. But the thing is, all NFL QBs can do that when the situation is right. The thing that separates the great ones is how consistent are you throughout a game or a season. Can you hit those passes that needs to be hit to extend drives. All of these types of plays that aren't on highlight reels. Can't judge players just based on the highlights you show me.

Herbert is even more inconsistent than Dak yet he gets a ton of excuses made for him

The Herbert love is incredibly odd to me. It came fast but he’s played for some talented units.

A prime example of Moore being Moore….it’s time for his team to march down field…..they’ve played Micah well game. 49ers showed you what to do. They leave one man on him and of course he gets sacked. No chip or anything. Game over. I don’t understand Moore or why the little things he ignores.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Lol. You picked one sack. Now look at the rest of them.

Well you said 80 percent lol. I’ll have to go back and look at them I think out of the 5 sacks one of them was on him. Maybe one more could’ve been handled with better movement in the pocket. There was one where the DT just straight rushed from the middle there was nowhere to go.

 

[Momanpr100]

That goes back to the deer in headlights I mentioned.

Herberts pocket presence is much better than Dak's.


Never. Wins are a team stat.

Herbert is way overrated.

 

[nate dizzle]

Well you said 80 percent lol. I’ll have to go back and look at them I think out of the 5 sacks one of them was on him. Maybe one more could’ve been handled with better movement in the pocket. There was one where the DT just straight rushed from the middle there was nowhere to go.

If I remember correctly he took 2 just because he was too stupidto not throw the ball away. It's a common situation with him that happens at least once a game. Doesn't always end in a sack sometimes he just steps out of bounds and takes a loss.

 

[erod]

Both quarterbacks were crap last night.

Both playcallers schemed receivers open, only to see their quarterbacks miss them repeatedly.

Bad football. Ugly win. Move on.

 

[jterrell]

The Cowboys had a pressure rate of over 47% against Herbert last night. I don't know what the Chargers rate was against Dallas but I don't think it was that high. Herbert was clearly affected by the Cowboys pressure most of the night. Yes, there were a few plays where he had no pressure, but you could see the Cowboys got close to him a lot.

Dak was really good last night. He made plays with his feet and created opportunities for big plays escaping the pocket.

My concern is, the pass coverage was not very good again most of the night. If not for the pass rush, and Herbert misfiring a bunch of times, who knows how many points the Chargers may have scored. Herbert missed Allen who was wide open down the sideline when he juked Bland out of his cleats. That could have been a TD is the ball didn't sail over Allen's head. There was a couple of plays like that.

Cowboys DL was insanely good early and came up big very late when they rushed in a discplined fashion and swallowed up Herbert with the game on the line.
But they made their own job much harder by giving away free first downs to force more snaps.
No one should be worried about our DL for talent but they get jumpy trying to outrace each other.

OL is just battling. Tyron may never be more than 75% of his peak again.
Martin is also no longer at his peak so now he is "only" about the 5th best Guard in the league.
TB is playing banged up and just hanging in there.
Tyler Smith is a gifted athlete who has some mental lapses but is getting better by the day.

Pass coverage is what it is and doubt it changes this year. You lost CB1 for the year.
You want to play aggressive because of the Pass rush prowess.
So if they do block that up, these guys are left hung out to dry.
Bland is very aggressive. Same as Diggs.
We live with occasional busts to get the big plays.

Chargers have some offensive talent and scored only 17 points. That'll work.

It is a bit scary in that Dallas is unlikely 20+ points better than most teams with Diggs out.
There will be some games that are a very real grind.
But you also do have a chance to get better on offense as Cooks grows into the scheme.
Dak getting comfortable with what routes Cooks wins on will be huge.

 

[Roland]

Herbert had MUCH better pass protection than Dak, but played a MUCH worse game!

That is a FACT!

Dak was forced to scramble around ALL game long. He was sacked 4 times( one was maybe his fault, but no one was open on that one!). BUT, Dak was still able to move the team down the field when he needed to. He was able avoid the rush on enough plays, and make really good throws, to help lead us to victory. The running game didn’t help Dak either. The FG drive was excellent!

On the other hand Herbert missed wide open receivers, with no pressure, throughout the game.

Herbert was not clutch, Dak was.

Last week, I was ready to give up on Dak, but tonight he looked very good considering he was forced to carry the offense.

I will say the D played EXCELLENT. They were put in a lot of tough situations and only gave up 17 points. Micah came thru with the big sack AND Gilmore, played like the smart veteran he is, and jumped the route on the int!!!!!!!

Herbert looked pretty shaky last night. Announcers said he was feeling the pressure, but I wasn't really seeing it. I thought we were giving him to much time back there myself. He missed some wide open receivers for big gains. Bland bit twice on that double move which would have changed this game.
Overall, Dak did enough to win it. If he doesn't scramble and buy some time to make some throws, we lose that game.
And Micah, I was watching him all game. Could not get home no matter what he tried. Double and triple teamed. With that much attention, someone else has to beat their ono on one. But what timing, right as the announcer said the chargers had done a good job of containing, he splits the double team and makes the sack. Big time game altering play right there.

 

[Momanpr100]

Go review the throws and the difficulty of throws made...Dak was making high school QB throws against a lesser defense while Golden Boy made the much more difficult throws against a better defense.

 

[jterrell]

If I remember correctly he took 2 just because he was too stupidto not throw the ball away. It's a common situation with him that happens at least once a game. Doesn't always end in a sack sometimes he just steps out of bounds and takes a loss.

Must be really cold in Maine for your brain to have frozen this hard.
Dak holding the ball to let routes get ran is how the game was won.
It was very intentional and why it was the highest passing yardage total for the season and highest per pass average.

He looked like Aaron Rodgers in the same offense, moving around to buy time then create throwing lanes and taking rush yardage when given.
He had a 4th quarter game winning drive that lasted 6 minutes and cost LAC two of their time outs.

 

[Bing]

Neither QB impressed me last night but they both had their good and bad moments. Dak did play better last night but still looked like a deer in the headlights way too many times. Neither team could run the ball. That has to be fixed somehow because Pollard is not the answer and again putting the ball in Daks hand and asking him to win the game is not the formula we want going forward.

 

[Blackspider214]

The Herbert love is incredibly odd to me. It came fast but he’s played for some talented units.

A prime example of Moore being Moore….it’s time for his team to march down field…..they’ve played Micah well game. 49ers showed you what to do. They leave one man on him and of course he gets sacked. No chip or anything. Game over. I don’t understand Moore or why the little things he ignores.

Agreed. Moore's offenses bog down when you need them the most. Go look at our last 2 playoff games against SF. He is very poor at situational playcalling and approach. Go look at that Philly game in 2019 when a win wraps up the division, which was essentially a playoff type game because the loss killed our season.

I interact with some Chargers fans on Twitter and they were excited to get Kellen Moore. They see his stats on paper without actually watching every game of his. I told them to beware and what was coming. That he is the wrong guy if you actually want Herbert to take the next step. Get ready for a lot of yards but the losses will pile up because when you need those scores, comes up short.

 

[jterrell]

Neither QB impressed me last night but they both had their good and bad moments. Dak did play better last night but still looked like a deer in the headlights way too many times. Neither team could run the ball. That has to be fixed somehow because Pollard is not the answer and again putting the ball in Daks hand and asking him to win the game is not the formula we want going forward.

ROFL, Dak avoided at least 3 free rushers to make plays.
1 play he avoided a free rush and then ran back into a hard-hit sack but complaining about his play is goofy.
Team let itself down with penalties and then a game altering bad call on the muffed punt was brutal but Dak did what was needed to win.
It was an ugly game that LAC led 7-0 and then Dallas outplayed them the rest of the way to get a key road win.

Dallas RB ran the ball 18 times for 42 yards so there was zero run game threat.
Dallas still managed to pass for 271 yards without any turnovers on offense.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If I remember correctly he took 2 just because he was too stupidto not throw the ball away. It's a common situation with him that happens at least once a game. Doesn't always end in a sack sometimes he just steps out of bounds and takes a loss.

I don’t think taking a sack is always stupid. The best plays last night came when he had to extend time. The sacks suck but it’s a necessary evil when dealing with this offense.

 

[Bing]

ROFL, Dak avoided at least 3 free rushers to make plays.
1 play he avoided a free rush and then ran back into a hard-hit sack but complaining about his play is goofy.
Team let itself down with penalties and then a game altering bad call on the muffed punt was brutal but Dak did what was needed to win.
It was an ugly game that LAC led 7-0 and then Dallas outplayed them the rest of the way to get a key road win.

Dallas RB ran the ball 18 times for 42 yards so there was zero run game threat.
Dallas still managed to pass for 271 yards without any turnovers on offense.

Thanks for agreeing with me...exactly what I said. Dak made some plays but he didnt impress me overall. If he impressed you I'm happy I guess your standards are lower then mine. And as I said neither team could run the ball.