Dak was incredible

khiladi said:
As I said on another post in this same thread MORE often now.. they weren't doing it as much this year. Teams like Denver specifically said they are gonna go after Zeke and make Dak beat them.

We also gave Dak more responsibility this year early, with a bunch of spread sets when before and he's looking average..
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River82 said:
What? Am I reading this right? So what you're saying is if the o-line and Dak doesn't give Zeke every possible advantage to strut his stuff, then it's ... not his fault for his poor gains? Jesus, I guess Dak isn't the only guy who's lucky to land on a team with a dominating offensive line, huh?



A pinpoint throw 50 yards on the move. It may have been made easier on Dak because there weren't 3 guys chasing him but still a quality play. Meanwhile if Zeke gets suspended for 6 games I'd expect McFadden to come in and do a comparable job, that's how average Zeke's form has been.
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So Dallas passing offense running heavy dose of play action off Zeke, more than double in a season when Romo was here, is not about giving Dak time to throw and run, but Dak's play is what makes Zeke actually score when he runs off straight hand offs against 8 and 9 men in the box..

Those 8 and 9 are so focused on Dak running, not Zeke..

Love it..
 
khiladi said:
So Dallas passing offense running heavy dose of play action off Zeke, more than double in a season when Romo was here, is not about giving Dak time to throw and run, but Dak's play is what makes Zeke when he dies score..

Love it..
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Yet another strawman. Take your time and write an actual argument this time
 
khiladi said:
As I said on another post in this same thread MORE often now.. they weren't doing it as much this year. Teams like Denver specifically said they are gonna go after Zeke and make Dak beat them.

We also gave Dak more responsibility this year early, with a bunch of spread sets when before and he's looking average..
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And we have played 3 of the best defenses so far this year.
 
khiladi said:
Dez isn't an established deep threat?
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The average receiver in the league (and other Cowboys) have been better on 15+ targets. Dez is valuable because he scores a lot of TD, but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with intermediate-to-deep passing.

15+ yard targets
2016-17
yards/target
Bryant: 10.7
teammates: 14.3
NFL avg: 11.8

catch rate
Bryant 39.5%
teammates: 54.4%
NFL avg: 41.2%
 
PJTHEDOORS said:
And we have played 3 of the best defenses so far this year.
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No we didn't. Cardinals are bottom of the league in scoring defense, opponents scoring over 24 a game before Dallas. The Giants are the worst in the league in run defense right now and giving up plenty of points.

Denver gave up 26 to Buffalo without an established QB that went 20-26 with 2 TDs and no INT and whose RB only rushed 11 times and had 30 yards..
 
percyhoward said:
The average receiver in the league (and other Cowboys) have been better on 15+ targets. Dez is valuable because he scores a lot of TD, but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with intermediate-to-deep passing.

15+ yard targets
2016-17
yards/target
Bryant: 10.7
teammates: 14.3
NFL avg: 11.8

catch rate
Bryant 39.5%
teammates: 54.4%
NFL avg: 41.2%
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Dez also runs an incredible amount of go routes which are very easy to defend. Our routes don't help. The last full season with Romo, Dez and TWill were top 3 in number of go routes.

So he's not a good deep threat or he's got a QB that doesn't throw a good go route.

Dak is also throwing him the ball deep.

And like I said, RG3 had a good first year too.

Dak has looked sub par this year, including deep, despite seeing 8 and 9 man fronts.
 
khiladi said:
No we didn't. Cardinals are bottom of the league in scoring defense, opponents scoring over 24 a game before Dallas. The Giants are the worst in the league in run defense right now and giving up plenty of points.

Denver gave up 26 to Buffalo without an established QB that went 20-26 with 2 TDs and no INT and whose RB only rushed 11 times and had 30 yards..
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Otay, we played the 3 worst defenses of all time, in the history of alien mythology that blaze the triangle deceptoid of green fried eggs.
 
PJTHEDOORS said:
Otay, we played the 3 worst defenses of all time, in the history of alien mythology that blaze the triangle deceptoid of green fried eggs.
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I know it's hard, facts.. 2 of the 3 defenses are NOT good right now..
 
Other point about Dez is he isn't fast and Dak doesn't throw tight windows regularly.. Romo on the other hand did, so Dez was more successful.

It's amazing that they don't run more crossing routes with him for Dak considering the skill set, but part of that may also be dictated by the fact Dak is not that great in the pocket yet..
 
khiladi said:
Other point about Dez is he isn't fast and Dak doesn't throw tight windows regularly.. Romo on the other hand did, so Dez was more successful.

It's amazing that they don't run more crossing routes with him for Dak considering the skill set, but part of that may also be dictated by the fact Dak is not that great in the pocket yet..
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So what to you want, to bench Dak and put Kellen Moore in?
 
khiladi said:
Your the one that made a ridiculous claim that isn't supported by a shred of evidence. Done be mad..
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And my claim was BEFORE they faced us. Not what their d's are doing as of this moment. Done be moody.
 
PJTHEDOORS said:
And my claim was BEFORE they faced us. Not what their d's are doing as of this moment. Done be moody.
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They weren't good BEFORE they faced us.. you couldn't tell with the Giants because it was the first game and the other two games confit it.
 
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