Dak's advancement

[PAPPYDOG]

I asked for examples of QB’s who in their 3rd year were carrying a team. Brady wasn’t, nor was Brees.

So your examples were poor answers. Why? Because you can’t name 3rd year QB’s who carried their teams to a championship because it doesn’t happen.

Lastly, the receiving crop prior to Cooper joining the team was TRASH last year. Utter garbage.
They receivers and tight ends were nowhere close to average.

They had guys starting at receiver that haven’t even been signed by other teams yet this off season.

Dak is being carried by a 300 million offline and Zeke+Coop....Say "Thank You" Zeke and move on now....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Just don’t have the mental energy for 6 back and forth messages and no one convincing the other. You’re too far gone to bring back based on your last post so that’s the que lmao

can't say I tried to help you see the truth....you have been brain washed

 

[HungryLion]

Dak is being carried by a 300 million offline and Zeke+Coop....Say "Thank You" Zeke and move on now....

Pappy, I could care less about your “opinion” about Dak.

Just an FYI

 

[HungryLion]

brady wasn't? so Brady winning the superbowl in his second year doesn't count!!! and your focus is only on QBs in their 3rd year.... so maybe I should say Dak couldn't win the superbowl in his second year...will that make it better for you?

and WR group was trash, maybe the QB had a little something to do with it....Gallup is trash...lets remember that...Beasley who just got a 29M contract is trash....maybe the QB was trash and couldn't help his teammates....

like I said, Dak needs a top 10 WR group, top 10 TE group, top 10 OL, top RB, an a top 10 defense to boot, for this team to succeed.....that's why he is called the bus driver.

Carried. You brought up CARRYING a team.

Look back at those patriot teams that won the Super Bowl Brady’s second year.

He didn’t carry them at all. So no it doesn’t count. Don’t bring up young QB’s carrying teams unless you can actually point to a single example of it happening. Obviously you can’t.

That super bowl win. Brady threw for 145 yards and one touchdown.

The patriots defense meanwhile forced two turnovers and only gave up 17 points to the greatest show on turf Rams offense with hall of famers Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk. Receiver Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt. Only 17 points allowed and two turnovers forced against one of the best offensive teams ever, But yeah, Brady carried them.........

Are you purposely ignoring the fact I am talking about your opinion of QB’s carrying a team, or just unable to comprehend a basic premise?

And yes the WR group and TE group as a whole was trash. Gallup was a rookie who had a lot to learn and was making a ton of mistakes early in the season.

Beasley himself isn’t trash. But specifically we were talking about the group as a whole. It was a trash group. Deonte Thompson? A hurt Terrance Williams? Allen Hurns? Come on man.

Geoff Swaim and a few tight ends who never played a game in the NFL? Are you kidding me. Everybody was saying the receiving group as a total was bad going into the season. Everybody. All the talk shows all the analysts. You trying to make them out to being any good is simply based on your desire to just blame Dak because he couldn’t carry them.

And as far as your comment about holding them back? That logic goes both ways. If that was the case, Dak would have held back Cooper too. Yet Cooper came to the team and had an incredible stretch. Clearly Dak wasn’t holding him back,
Now was he?

Try to use some basic logic.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm actually probably more pro Dak than most posters on this board. You have no idea what you are even talking about in this particular instance.

Dont bother recanting now. Ive listened to your nonsense for 3 years now.

Ill give you this..........you no longer say "dak sucks".

 

[Vanilla2]

I think I just read a linehan defense post.

When’s the draft?

 

[Verdict]

Dont bother recanting now. Ive listened to your nonsense for 3 years now.

Ill give you this..........you no longer say "dak sucks".

Like I said, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Like I said, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Ok so prove me wrong:

Do you think Dak is a good QB and are you happy that he is our QB?

 

[Doomsday101]

Not sure how you can make this claim. What has this team accomplished recently?

They have been a contending team the last few season. Winning the East 2 of the last 3 despite the youth of this team. Like everyone I want the end result to be a SB but you can't become a SB team unless you are a true contender 1st. By no means am I satisfied but yes I think this team is moving in the right direction.

 

[Falco78]

I think there's a lot of misplaced anger on Dak. We're so tired of the JG era and its lack of playoff success that a lot of people get mad at him for not bringing home a SB already in his 3 year career. The clock on our window reset the year we got Dak and Zeke, but JG's window of patience closed long ago.

There you go making sense. How dare you. Immediate ban needed!

 

[Falco78]

Carried. You brought up CARRYING a team.

Look back at those patriot teams that won the Super Bowl Brady’s second year.

He didn’t carry them at all. So no it doesn’t count. Don’t bring up young QB’s carrying teams unless you can actually point to a single example of it happening. Obviously you can’t.

That super bowl win. Brady threw for 145 yards and one touchdown.

The patriots defense meanwhile forced two turnovers and only gave up 17 points to the greatest show on turf Rams offense with hall of famers Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk. Receiver Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt. Only 17 points allowed and two turnovers forced against one of the best offensive teams ever, But yeah, Brady carried them.........

Are you purposely ignoring the fact I am talking about your opinion of QB’s carrying a team, or just unable to comprehend a basic premise?

And yes the WR group and TE group as a whole was trash. Gallup was a rookie who had a lot to learn and was making a ton of mistakes early in the season.

Beasley himself isn’t trash. But specifically we were talking about the group as a whole. It was a trash group. Deonte Thompson? A hurt Terrance Williams? Allen Hurns? Come on man.

Geoff Swaim and a few tight ends who never played a game in the NFL? Are you kidding me. Everybody was saying the receiving group as a total was bad going into the season. Everybody. All the talk shows all the analysts. You trying to make them out to being any good is simply based on your desire to just blame Dak because he couldn’t carry them.

And as far as your comment about holding them back? That logic goes both ways. If that was the case, Dak would have held back Cooper too. Yet Cooper came to the team and had an incredible stretch. Clearly Dak wasn’t holding him back,
Now was he?

Try to use some basic logic.

Haters will look for any reason even if facts do not exist....

 

[JoeKing]

This FO is utter garbage and have no real vision of what it takes to win

You're blind if you think they do

Dak is not a top 10 QB and we will hamstring the team WHEN we pay him like that

We will continue to be 'relevant ' and Ron nothing of consequence but the FO is content with that

This FO is going a fine job and know exactly what they are doing.

You're blind if you can't see the tangible improvements in the last 3 years.

Dak is easily worth top 10 money and he will lead the team to their next SB win soon.

I expect the winning trend of the last 3 years to only get better.

Don't celebrate with this team when it happens if you disagree with what I just wrote.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Carried. You brought up CARRYING a team.

Look back at those patriot teams that won the Super Bowl Brady’s second year.

He didn’t carry them at all. So no it doesn’t count. Don’t bring up young QB’s carrying teams unless you can actually point to a single example of it happening. Obviously you can’t.

That super bowl win. Brady threw for 145 yards and one touchdown.

The patriots defense meanwhile forced two turnovers and only gave up 17 points to the greatest show on turf Rams offense with hall of famers Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk. Receiver Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt. Only 17 points allowed and two turnovers forced against one of the best offensive teams ever, But yeah, Brady carried them.........

Are you purposely ignoring the fact I am talking about your opinion of QB’s carrying a team, or just unable to comprehend a basic premise?

And yes the WR group and TE group as a whole was trash. Gallup was a rookie who had a lot to learn and was making a ton of mistakes early in the season.

Beasley himself isn’t trash. But specifically we were talking about the group as a whole. It was a trash group. Deonte Thompson? A hurt Terrance Williams? Allen Hurns? Come on man.

Geoff Swaim and a few tight ends who never played a game in the NFL? Are you kidding me. Everybody was saying the receiving group as a total was bad going into the season. Everybody. All the talk shows all the analysts. You trying to make them out to being any good is simply based on your desire to just blame Dak because he couldn’t carry them.

And as far as your comment about holding them back? That logic goes both ways. If that was the case, Dak would have held back Cooper too. Yet Cooper came to the team and had an incredible stretch. Clearly Dak wasn’t holding him back,
Now was he?

Try to use some basic logic.

there are very rare moments when a QB carries the team....QBs are able to elevate the players around them, not the other way around. that's carrying a team....dak can't elevate (carry) the players around him. he needs great players to elevate (carry) him


and Pats did win playoff games, you are singling out the superbowl as his ultimate performance in carrying/not carrying his team. he did beat Pittsburgh...in Pittsburgh. he did lead his team to the playoffs

the WR group wasn't trash, the QB throwing to them is trash....until we went and spend a valuable 1st round pick to get him a top 5 WR to help him out, since this QB couldn't elevate the players around him.

believe what you want about Dak, but when/if we give him that 25/year contract, he is going to keep us average for a very long time since we won't be able to get the top level players he needs to carry him and you will sit here an argue that he has trash......

right now he is a bus driver. he is an average QB.... he has been the bus driver since 2016, all Dak Lovers do is spin spin spin spin and the one undisputed fact undeniable fact, without Zeke, Dak is 3-3. in 2018 when Zeke performed, we are 9-1, when zeke doesn't we are 2-6. Dak without Zeke is a losing QB since he is unable to pass our way to victory....wait wait wait...he did it against the giants in the 16th game of the season so Dak Lovers will extrapolate that to an entire 3 seasons and proof that he is capable..

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Carried. You brought up CARRYING a team.

Look back at those patriot teams that won the Super Bowl Brady’s second year.

He didn’t carry them at all. So no it doesn’t count. Don’t bring up young QB’s carrying teams unless you can actually point to a single example of it happening. Obviously you can’t.

That super bowl win. Brady threw for 145 yards and one touchdown.

The patriots defense meanwhile forced two turnovers and only gave up 17 points to the greatest show on turf Rams offense with hall of famers Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk. Receiver Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt. Only 17 points allowed and two turnovers forced against one of the best offensive teams ever, But yeah, Brady carried them.........

Are you purposely ignoring the fact I am talking about your opinion of QB’s carrying a team, or just unable to comprehend a basic premise?

And yes the WR group and TE group as a whole was trash. Gallup was a rookie who had a lot to learn and was making a ton of mistakes early in the season.

Beasley himself isn’t trash. But specifically we were talking about the group as a whole. It was a trash group. Deonte Thompson? A hurt Terrance Williams? Allen Hurns? Come on man.

Geoff Swaim and a few tight ends who never played a game in the NFL? Are you kidding me. Everybody was saying the receiving group as a total was bad going into the season. Everybody. All the talk shows all the analysts. You trying to make them out to being any good is simply based on your desire to just blame Dak because he couldn’t carry them.

And as far as your comment about holding them back? That logic goes both ways. If that was the case, Dak would have held back Cooper too. Yet Cooper came to the team and had an incredible stretch. Clearly Dak wasn’t holding him back,
Now was he?

Try to use some basic logic.

btw, these were the WRs for NE in their superbowl year in 2001

Troy Brown....good WR, not great..... Brady made him and elevated him
David Patten..... who?
Kevin Falk.....who?
Marc Edwards....who?

they had the all time great Antwan Smith at RB (sarcasm fully intended).

not exactly who is who of WRs or RBs on the team....not sure who their TE was

the team was 0-2 with Bledsoe as the QB and then Bledsoe got injured and Brady took over....suffice it to say...he went 10-3 after he took over and won the superbowl that year....


its obvious and clear that Brady elevated players who were average otherwise

on the other hand, we had to go out and get a top 5 WR for our QB to get out of his funk....

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

there are very rare moments when a QB carries the team....QBs are able to elevate the players around them, not the other way around. that's carrying a team....dak can't elevate (carry) the players around him. he needs great players to elevate (carry) him


and Pats did win playoff games, you are singling out the superbowl as his ultimate performance in carrying/not carrying his team. he did beat Pittsburgh...in Pittsburgh. he did lead his team to the playoffs

the WR group wasn't trash, the QB throwing to them is trash....until we went and spend a valuable 1st round pick to get him a top 5 WR to help him out, since this QB couldn't elevate the players around him.

believe what you want about Dak, but when/if we give him that 25/year contract, he is going to keep us average for a very long time since we won't be able to get the top level players he needs to carry him and you will sit here an argue that he has trash......

right now he is a bus driver. he is an average QB.... he has been the bus driver since 2016, all Dak Lovers do is spin spin spin spin and the one undisputed fact undeniable fact, without Zeke, Dak is 3-3. in 2018 when Zeke performed, we are 9-1, when zeke doesn't we are 2-6. Dak without Zeke is a losing QB since he is unable to pass our way to victory....wait wait wait...he did it against the giants in the 16th game of the season so Dak Lovers will extrapolate that to an entire 3 seasons and proof that he is capable..

Your "undisputed undeniable fact" isn't even a fact lmao.
We are 4-3 without Zeke, not 3-3 lolololol.

And you obviously have no concept of cause and effect.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Carried. You brought up CARRYING a team.

Look back at those patriot teams that won the Super Bowl Brady’s second year.

He didn’t carry them at all. So no it doesn’t count. Don’t bring up young QB’s carrying teams unless you can actually point to a single example of it happening. Obviously you can’t.

That super bowl win. Brady threw for 145 yards and one touchdown.

The patriots defense meanwhile forced two turnovers and only gave up 17 points to the greatest show on turf Rams offense with hall of famers Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk. Receiver Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt. Only 17 points allowed and two turnovers forced against one of the best offensive teams ever, But yeah, Brady carried them.........

Are you purposely ignoring the fact I am talking about your opinion of QB’s carrying a team, or just unable to comprehend a basic premise?

And yes the WR group and TE group as a whole was trash. Gallup was a rookie who had a lot to learn and was making a ton of mistakes early in the season.

Beasley himself isn’t trash. But specifically we were talking about the group as a whole. It was a trash group. Deonte Thompson? A hurt Terrance Williams? Allen Hurns? Come on man.

Geoff Swaim and a few tight ends who never played a game in the NFL? Are you kidding me. Everybody was saying the receiving group as a total was bad going into the season. Everybody. All the talk shows all the analysts. You trying to make them out to being any good is simply based on your desire to just blame Dak because he couldn’t carry them.

And as far as your comment about holding them back? That logic goes both ways. If that was the case, Dak would have held back Cooper too. Yet Cooper came to the team and had an incredible stretch. Clearly Dak wasn’t holding him back,
Now was he?

Try to use some basic logic.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Your "undisputed undeniable fact" isn't even a fact lmao.
We are 4-3 without Zeke, not 3-3 lolololol.

And you obviously have no concept of cause and effect.

OMG...4-3....wowI stand corrected he was better without zeke a WHOLE game....what a difference...HOF here we come

 

[HungryLion]

there are very rare moments when a QB carries the team....QBs are able to elevate the players around them, not the other way around. that's carrying a team....dak can't elevate (carry) the players around him. he needs great players to elevate (carry) him


and Pats did win playoff games, you are singling out the superbowl as his ultimate performance in carrying/not carrying his team. he did beat Pittsburgh...in Pittsburgh. he did lead his team to the playoffs

the WR group wasn't trash, the QB throwing to them is trash....until we went and spend a valuable 1st round pick to get him a top 5 WR to help him out, since this QB couldn't elevate the players around him.

believe what you want about Dak, but when/if we give him that 25/year contract, he is going to keep us average for a very long time since we won't be able to get the top level players he needs to carry him and you will sit here an argue that he has trash......

right now he is a bus driver. he is an average QB.... he has been the bus driver since 2016, all Dak Lovers do is spin spin spin spin and the one undisputed fact undeniable fact, without Zeke, Dak is 3-3. in 2018 when Zeke performed, we are 9-1, when zeke doesn't we are 2-6. Dak without Zeke is a losing QB since he is unable to pass our way to victory....wait wait wait...he did it against the giants in the 16th game of the season so Dak Lovers will extrapolate that to an entire 3 seasons and proof that he is capable..

Thanks for finally admitting that QB’s don’t carry teams and that you were wrong.

Rememebr those 4 turnovers the patriots defense forced against the Steelers in Pittsburgh? I’m sure that helped them win that playoff game just a little bit..... most teams win games wher they force 4 turnovers.

Remember that Tom Brady Got hurt that game against the steelers? It was Drew Bledsoe who finished the game.

Remember that receiver Troy Brown you said was just ok in another post, who returned a punt for a touchdown against the Steelers?

Rememebr the returned blocked kick for a touchdown against the Steelers?

But by all means. Go ahead and tell me how much Brady had to do with that win.

LOL

 

[HungryLion]

btw, these were the WRs for NE in their superbowl year in 2001

Troy Brown....good WR, not great..... Brady made him and elevated him
David Patten..... who?
Kevin Falk.....who?
Marc Edwards....who?

they had the all time great Antwan Smith at RB (sarcasm fully intended).

not exactly who is who of WRs or RBs on the team....not sure who their TE was

the team was 0-2 with Bledsoe as the QB and then Bledsoe got injured and Brady took over....suffice it to say...he went 10-3 after he took over and won the superbowl that year....


its obvious and clear that Brady elevated players who were average otherwise

on the other hand, we had to go out and get a top 5 WR for our QB to get out of his funk....

Tom Brady player well. Of course he did. The argument was never if Brady was a good QB or not. I already said I think he is the best ever.

Troy Brown went to a pro bowl that season. Btw. He was a far better player than any receiver the cowboys had last year, before Cooper.

The argument was whether QB’s carried teams or not.

The patriots won the Super Bowl that year because of their defense. Not their offense. Their offense was efficient and didn’t turn the ball over. Their defense forced turnovers and kept the other team from scoring a lot of points, particularly in the playoffs. That’s how they won that championship. They didn’t win it based off stellar QB play.

Look at the numbers for Tom Brady that season. Pedestrian at best. I realize throwing the ball wasn’t as easy back then as it was now. But come on.

Brady threw for 2843 yards. 63% completion percentage. 18 td’s and 12 ints. 6.9 ypa. Now you have to adjust the numbers to match what they would look like nowadays. But even then, that wasn’t a great season by any means.

Brady was not performing at an MVP level or anywhere close to it at that point in his career. Brady just played efficient football and made timely plays when the team needed him to the most. The defense was the key to those teams winning a title.

Mind you, we are also talking about TOM BRADY. The best quarterback in NFL history. Of course Dak isn’t as good as him. If every team got rid of their QB because they weren’t as good as Tom Brady, every team in the league except the patriots would be looking for a new QB every off season. Which is another reason your argument is weak.

You can’t base your personnel decisions off whether the player is as good as THE BEST EVER at their position. We will probably never ever see a cowboys QB as good as Brady in our lifetimes.

 

[cowboyblue22]

Dak haters: “Boy, I really hope percyhoward doesn’t show up to this thread to shut down all of my stupidity with those pesky FACTS!”

before they traded for cooper dak and his team was 3 and 5 and pretty much done