Dallas Cowboys’ Kelvin Joseph is a person of interest in Dallas murder investigation

[nobody]

My stance is the same. Yours flipped for whatever reason. I lived that life when i was younger and was lucky to walk away. Im not sticking up for KJ justice is done the shooter is in jail.

My stance is this: If KJ doesn't go to jail, that's fine. He FINALLY did the right thing even if it took him a month and police pressure. I hope he turns his life around and realizes that his posse was a chain around his neck and not a support group...that being said I want him off the team. He's definitely guilty of conduct detrimental to the team and the league and his character and conduct are not what this team needs.

Let him be some other team's headache if they even want to take a chance on him assuming the league takes no action. The team's culture needs to change for it to actually do something in playoffs and his dismissal would be a good start. It's sort of sickening that players that pull stuff like this are still allowed to play.

It's also sickening when some fans cite the actions of players who did worse as some kind of defense for why KJ should be allowed to play. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's not like it's condemning KJ to prison or even a terrible life if the Cowboys cut him. It's just sending a message that this kind of thing won't be tolerated.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Say what??? Have you not been paying attention?

No regular person who is not involved in a street gang goes out with several thugs who pick fights on innocent civilians, and afterwards, drive-by shoot them dead! Those are not regular folks. Those are street gangs or criminals of some type.

Do we even know what the fight was over? Who instigated what?

And he's a rapper. maybe they were crips or whatever but that doesn't make him one of them.

 

[plymkr]

Do we even know what the fight was over? Who instigated what?

And he's a rapper. maybe they were crips or whatever but that doesn't make him one of them.

I believe one of the first videos that came out showed KJ's friend starting the fight. Well that's what the detective said. It spot shadowed a guy smoking from KJ's group and she said he started it. To my knowledge no one has said why the fight happened or what was said. I bet we'll hear more details once the trial starts.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Do we even know what the fight was over? Who instigated what?

And he's a rapper. maybe they were crips or whatever but that doesn't make him one of them.

It doesn't matter what was said, who said it or if one of them gave a bad look, If you and your posse start throwing punches, YOU are the attackers. If you throw punches to assist your posse, YOU are one of them. If you are riding in the vehicle when they committed a drive-by and shot & killed the victim, YOU are one of them.

 

[Beast_from_East]

So Joseph told on the guys and he himself didn't get arrested. Interesting. Police just might drop the failure to report a felony in exchange for his testimony.

That is what it sounded like, turn state's witness and identify the other people in the car and you get immunity from prosecution.

 

[DandyDon52]

And he shouldnt. Hes not the moral police. Hes building a football team, not a bible study. If hes guilty he will be charged. 2 men are paying the price for the murder. Justice is being served.

None of us here should have the right to judge him. That is what the law is for.

That is what humans do lol they judge other people every day.
When something like this happens and they get some details they then judge them.

Our judgements have little power but we still do it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It doesn't matter what was said, who said it or if one of them gave a bad look, If you and your posse start throwing punches, YOU are the attackers. If you throw punches to assist your posse, YOU are one of them. If you are riding in the vehicle when they committed a drive-by and shot & killed the victim, YOU are one of them.

Guilt by association may be your standard but it is not mine.

 

[DandyDon52]

That is what it sounded like, turn state's witness and identify the other people in the car and you get immunity from prosecution.

I stated that was a possibility earlier in the thread.
I still think many people are going to want him off the team, just not jerry.
I think jerry and his posse are trying to come up with a way to spin this so KJ looks as good as possible, and they will keep him.
Then if he plays decent, when extension/FA time comes up, he will go to another team for more money.
Jones boys should extend him now for peanuts , they have all the leverage.

I also see this being talked about in every game he plays this fall. Much like the Hardy thing, aikman went on and on about hardy and his issues every game.

 

[Zekeats]

Can’t wait to see the new thread that says kelvin joseph arrested on murder charges

 

[Bullflop]

I think Kelvin Joseph is mainly considered a "person of interest" to serve as a witness to the developments in that incident. According to his lawyer, KJ was unarmed and not directly involved as a shooter. He was said to be in the car when the shooting occurred, but not favorable to what transpired. I think it's entirely possible for someone to get caught up in something he doesn't condone and yet, still be subject to questioning.

 

[DandyDon52]

Well said. I agree. I'm disappointed in Jerry right now more than usual. I was hoping he would send a message to the team with how he handles KJ. And he did send a message. The message is the Cowboys are a mental health clinic, character rehabilitation, and physical rehabilitation center all before being a football team.

yeah jerry likes his players that he gets cheaply in the draft.
1st round players who fall out of 1st round due to character ,injuries, mental issues, jerry grabs them in 2nd round thinking he got a steal !
Gregory was one, and look how that turned out. I loved it when he chose denver, would love to have seen jerry when he found out lol.

This guy kj, if 20 teams erased him off their board, dallas probably could have got him in 3rd or 4th, but ol jerry couldnt resist that bargain!

Now KJ gets involved in a murder, and jerry still wants to keep his bargain player, who he sees as 1st round talent.
This is why I say jerry really does want to win, as he does all this trying to get top players in lower rounds, and the main reason to keep kj now is that
he can help dallas defense, and help win games.

Jerry doesnt really care about the culture, I dont think he even understands what that means or is, because he is morally corrupt too.
He will keep a player he wants to keep at the detriment of the team and culture, because that is what he wants to do, and he thinks it will help the team win games.

Gregory had the costly penalty's in wc game, tackled a lineman lol, did do anything aside from maybe a couple of plays, and jerry still wanted to pay
him 70 million for him to stay and "help some more"

I just dont think I want to see bossman rat in a cowboy uni this fall, no matter how little or much he was involved, and especially if he got immunity.
Immunity deals often go to bad people , because the DA wants the higher profile person. It isnt right but it is what they do.

 

[DandyDon52]

I think Kelvin Joseph is mainly being a "person of interest" to serve as a witness to the ongoing developments in that killing. According to his lawyer, KJ wasn't unarmed and not directly involved. He was in the car when the shooting occurred, but not at all favorable to what transpired.

wow! , then you will believe whatever statement jerry makes about this later on. you may even buy a bossman shirt, a DKVD necklace, and a #1 jersey
So kj didnt know that 2 guys he is with have guns and will use them if they feel like it? here is the deal I doubt they took the guns into the club, so they had to stash them
in the car, and then retrieve them when back to the car, cock them, and you know they said their intentions, gonna bust a cap on those dudes !
They drive by and then open fire bigtime, not just one or 2 shots, and all the while KJ is a innocent hostage who was in fear for his life.

 

[DandyDon52]

Let him be some other team's headache if they even want to take a chance on him assuming the league takes no action. The team's culture needs to change for it to actually do something in playoffs and his dismissal would be a good start. It's sort of sickening that players that pull stuff like this are still allowed to play.

It's also sickening when some fans cite the actions of players who did worse as some kind of defense for why KJ should be allowed to play. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's not like it's condemning KJ to prison or even a terrible life if the Cowboys cut him. It's just sending a message that this kind of thing won't be tolerated.

I agree, but I fear jerry will try to keep him. Jerry keeps players he likes personally, and ones that know how to push his buttons, and he likes his bargain players,
that he got because he is so much smarter than other owners and FA. Being so smart is how he gets guys like KJ and gregory, jaylon etc. To jerry every time
he sees them play good or bad, it reminds him of how smart he was to take them when other teams would not.

 

[mattjames2010]

Joseph will most likely be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life.

Also seems important if he waited a month to snitch out of fear or out of loyalty. The latter should get him booted immediately.

 

[cristglo]

No one knows when he 1st contacted the police Could have been the same night

Some of the posters on here have knee-jerk reactions positive or negative when news breaks about a player instead of letting all the facts come out. For reasons like this, that's why we have the justice system in place. Yes, its flawed also but it would be nice if people would quit making themselves judge and jurors before they know what the TRUTH really is.

Exactly what KJ knew at the time of the shooting has yet to be revealed.
I would like to know was it KJ that was actually physically involved at the club? There have been videos that assume that KJ was one who threw punches at the victim has that been confirmed?
As its been stated How do we not know KJ was the reason that the arrests were made? Until it comes out as Facts for all we know he could have gone to the police himself to start an investigation. Could have been done weeks ago for all we know.

 

[Bullflop]

wow! , then you will believe whatever statement jerry makes about this later on. you may even buy a bossman shirt, a DKVD necklace, and a #1 jersey
So kj didnt know that 2 guys he is with have guns and will use them if they feel like it? here is the deal I doubt they took the guns into the club, so they had to stash them
in the car, and then retrieve them when back to the car, cock them, and you know they said their intentions, gonna bust a cap on those dudes !
They drive by and then open fire bigtime, not just one or 2 shots, and all the while KJ is a innocent hostage who was in fear for his life.

I'm not aware of anything Jerry had to say -- let's first get that straight. You appear to be assuming the worst scenario, rather than actually being there to witness what actually happened. I also suspect your imagination is playing an active role in your version of what transpired. Let's sanely await until all the investigative facts are revealed before making suspicious assumptions beforehand.

Furthermore, don't even dare to accuse me of being a fan of Kelvin Joseph enough to buy his jersey or anything else he might choose to wear. That's an absurdly ridiculous assumption on your part, despite being quite imaginative. This isn't the first time you've accused me of such kneejerk ideas. You have no idea what I'm all about. I think you'd be well advised to seek help.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Guilt by association may be your standard but it is not mine.

Quit acting ignorant and making excuses. Everyone knows Kelvin Joseph is as guilty as the shooter himself. If not, why did he stay quiet and continue enjoying his life having fun for the past month since that night on March 14 when him and his posse killed that innocent young man?

It's clear you have no conscience, but thank you for letting everyone know. I bet you would feel the complete opposite if the murdered victim was one of your immediate family members. I bet you would be here crying for justice and how all of the Kelvin Joseph posse needs to pay the price for committing such a ruthless murder by shooting someone in the back and then staying quiet and moving on with their lives like nothing happened until they got caught a month later by police investigators.

 

[LittleD]

Maybe not the shooter but, as the one with clout and money, he may have paid them to do the shooting for him. Gangsta all the way.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Some of the posters on here have knee-jerk reactions positive or negative when news breaks about a player instead of letting all the facts come out. For reasons like this, that's why we have the justice system in place. Yes, its flawed also but it would be nice if people would quit making themselves judge and jurors before they know what the TRUTH really is.

Exactly what KJ knew at the time of the shooting has yet to be revealed.
I would like to know was it KJ that was actually physically involved at the club? There have been videos that assume that KJ was one who threw punches at the victim has that been confirmed?
As its been stated How do we not know KJ was the reason that the arrests were made? Until it comes out as Facts for all we know he could have gone to the police himself to start an investigation. Could have been done weeks ago for all we know.

What? You, too?

WATCH THE VIDEO. IT CLEARLY SHOWS KELVIN THROWING PUNCHES ON THE POOR YOUNG MAN AND LATER SHOWING UP (KELVIN) AT THE CLUB.

 

[cristglo]

Before it is all said and done we may find out that KJ was more involved than he is addmitting. Im in No ways saying he is innocent I just want to wait until all the facts come out.
FYI I didn't like the pick and didn't feel he is committed to football. I for one really wish that we would stay away from the high character players.
If he gets cut then so be it.