Dallas Mavs Playoff thread

[The30YardSlant]

Ummm no. It was on the same level as Odom's shove. Take off your homer glasses.

And Odom's shove wasnt very bad. He MIGHT be fined but certainly won't be suspended. He just gave Dirk a hard shove, uncalled for but certainly nothing worse than is seen on a weekly if not nightly basis in the NBA. The only reason he was tossed was because of the situation, in a close game it would have been a flagrant one.

 

[joseephuss]

"They were breaking us down, so I just fouled somebody. I was just kind of salty about being embarrassed. It was embarrassing to have the smallest guy on the court keep running down the lane and making shots."-Andrew Bynum

 

[CATCH17]

now if i can get back to talking about BASKETBALL and stop this pissing contest, i think you guys definitely dont want any part of the grizzle.

tony allen is a bruce bowen clone, only more athletic but without the corner three accuracy. he played manu as well as i have ever seen him being played, and he completely dominated on defense at the end of game 3, denying durant the ball, getting into passing lanes, it was incredible. the grizzlies are the real deal, they have been a top 3 team since the all star break and have been almost invincible at home since rudy gay got hurt and they acquired battier. the mavs wont have the same kind of space that they got vs the lakers if they play the grizzlies. someone mentioned westbrook as being a bad matchup for the mavs, but i bet you jason kidd would rather guard him than conley. unless roddy b comes back and is completely healthy conley is gonna give the mavs HUGE fits. the grizzlies are very athletic, and play great defense. they were 2-2 vs the spurs, 2-2 vs the lakers, 3-1 vs the mavs and thunder. i think the mavs would beat the thunder because their perimeter defense hasnt been as good in the playoffs as the grizzlies and the mavs could get open shots on them fairly easily, plus no one on their team can guard dirk beside ibaka. the grizzlies could throw tony allen or battier, or they can throw thadeus young at him to make it more difficult (obviously no one is gonna completely shut him down) they also are athletic enough to deny dirk the ball.

coaching goes to the mavs either way

I say bring on the Griz or Thunder. Doesn't matter.


We have a lot of quality veteran guys that will win with their experience.

This rest for Dallas is the worst thing that can happen to these younger teams.

Plus I do not fear their bigs because we have Dirk, Chandler, Haywood.


If anything the Griz should be affraid of us.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lake make a statement here so that we can all understand my view point here. I personally thought the ref job in this series was poor but I think it was poor in a few series. I think the refs didn't do a very good job of calling a consistent game and I think that it kinda lead to this outburst. I don't think it really mattered much because I think the Mavs outplayed the Lakers in every single game by a wide margin.

The foul that Bynum put on Barea was kind of old school IMO. In the old days, if you couldn't stop a player then teams would go to hard fouls to try and get him out of his game. To me, I kinda think that's what the Lakers were trying to do. I think Jackson realized that they didn't have what it took to beat the Mavs physically so he tried some old school stuff and it didn't work. It's not an excuse. I just think that it was to consistent from to many players. JMO.

 

[The30YardSlant]

The foul that Bynum put on Barea was kind of old school IMO. In the old days, if you couldn't stop a player then teams would go to hard fouls to try and get him out of his game. To me, I kinda think that's what the Lakers were trying to do. I think Jackson realized that they didn't have what it took to beat the Mavs physically so he tried some old school stuff and it didn't work. It's not an excuse. I just think that it was to consistent from to many players. JMO.

BS, the Mavs were up by 30 in the fourth when it happened. The game was over, there was no point in trying to strategically hurt someone.

It was just a temper-tentrum from a player who knew he was beaten and was tired of getting schooled by a 6' foot hispanic guy. Barea had his own personal layup line all series long and the two possessions prior he had blown by Bynum for a layup and hit a jumper over him in the lane.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

BS, the Mavs were up by 30 in the fourth when it happened. The game was over, there was no point in trying to strategically hurt someone.

It was just a temper-tentrum from a player who knew he was beaten and was tired of getting schooled by a 6' foot hispanic guy. Barea had his own personal layup line all series long and the two possessions prior he had blown by Bynum for a layup and hit a jumper over him in the lane.

Don't be so short sided. The hard fouls, IMO, started much earlier in the series and simply progressed. Bynum is not responsible for stopping ball or checking Barea. The instructions he probably received were probably something along the lines of no easy baskets, no free lunch. He gave a hard foul and I think he probably could have thought about what and how he did what he did a little bit more but honestly, in the old days that was not unusual to see. Hard fouls were something that teams used a lot, especially in the Eastern Conference style of play.

 

[DFWJC]

Don't be so short sided. The hard fouls, IMO, started much earlier in the series and simply progressed. Bynum is not responsible for stopping ball or checking Barea. The instructions he probably received were probably something along the lines of no easy baskets, no free lunch. He gave a hard foul and I think he probably could have thought about what and how he did what he did a little bit more but honestly, in the old days that was not unusual to see. Hard fouls were something that teams used a lot, especially in the Eastern Conference style of play.

I believe in giving and taking hard fouls. And I fully understand the mentality of protecting the lane. My older brother I used to even drive hours to find the roughest inner city courts to grow our hoops skills. Talk about taking hard fouls! lol

We agree on a lot ABQ, but not here. That was not a "hard foul" on Barea, that was an unbelievable cheap shot.

Bynum will most certainly get a suspension for several games next season for this.

The foul on Dirk was not the same at all, imo. But with him being a star, there still may be some sort of fine.

 

[Stautner]

Don't be so short sided. The hard fouls, IMO, started much earlier in the series and simply progressed. Bynum is not responsible for stopping ball or checking Barea. The instructions he probably received were probably something along the lines of no easy baskets, no free lunch. He gave a hard foul and I think he probably could have thought about what and how he did what he did a little bit more but honestly, in the old days that was not unusual to see. Hard fouls were something that teams used a lot, especially in the Eastern Conference style of play.

A "hard foul" is agressively going after a block or steal without holding back for fear of making too much contact. Just taking someone out when they are in the air and defenseless, and without even a real defensive play is another matter all the way around. That shows nothing but intent to injure. It's like the unwritten understanding among basketball players that you don't intentionally take a man's legs out when he is in the air. It happens sometimes when someone is overly agressive on defense, but to blatently and intentionally do it without even attempting a real defensive play is a huge violation of any written or unwritten code of conduct.

 

[DFWJC]

BTW, I took my wife and 3 year old son to the game on Sunday. It was the little guy's first Mavs game.
Wow!

We had great lower bowl seats a few rows behind the Laker bench (and Phil Jackson's family).
That place was deafening.

Also some other trivia. I was in Australia on business last week and sat beside Cheryl Miller on the way back when I went through LA. She had some funny things to say about that TNT crew.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I believe in giving and taking hard fouls. And I fully understand the mentality of protecting the lane. My older brother I used to even drive hours to find the roughest inner city courts to grow our hoops skills. Talk about taking hard fouls! lol

We agree on a lot ABQ, but not here. That was not a "hard foul", that was an unbelievable cheap shot.

Bynum will most certainly get a suspension for several games next season for this.

The foul on Dirk was not the same at all, imo. But with him being a star, there still may be some sort of fine.

I think the shot by Bynum was a hard foul with a bit of a message but perhaps that message wasn't just for the Mav's and Barea. Of the two Lakers who played big minutes in this series, I thought that Odom and Bynum were the two who really did have pretty good series for the Lakers. I think Bynum was tired of seeing this guy come down the lane with no defensive help to stop the ball. I mean, the thing that looked bad to me was how Barea landed. The actual foul was not something that I haven't seen a hundred times in the NBA. It was a solid elbow but it wasn't to the head or neck. It was to the rib cage and it was more violent when watched because it was delivered while the player was going to the hoop. I'm not saying it was not a hard foul or that he won't get a severe penalty but in the old days, I think that would have been viewed as much less sever. I could be wrong because we all know that things have a way of being remembered from the old days in a way that many not be completely factual but getting a hard foul in the air was not all that uncommon. I think the difference now is that players in the old days knew that they were going to get tomahawked when they took it to the whole back in the old days so they braced for that contact. Today, players don't think they are going to get fouled hard like that so they are not prepared for it. That's just my opinion of it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

A "hard foul" is agressively going after a block or steal without holding back for fear of making too much contact. Just taking someone out when they are in the air and defenseless, and without even a real defensive play is another matter all the way around. That shows nothing but intent to injure. It's like the unwritten understanding among basketball players that you don't intentionally take a man's legs out when he is in the air. It happens sometimes when someone is overly agressive on defense, but to blatently and intentionally do it without even attempting a real defensive play is a huge violation of any written or unwritten code of conduct.

Maybe today but Mahorn, Gilmore, Washington on Tomjanovich, Laimbeer, Maurice Lucas, and basically anybody in a Celtics Uni would foul you hard and they would not be going for ball. They were just going to send a message to you back in the old days. Heck, Lucas would tell you before the game that he was going to hurt you so just be ready for the pain. Today it's different but back in the old days, they weren't just going after the ball. They were trying to make you think long and hard about taking it down the lane for a dunk. Better pull up and take that little 8 foot jumper cause if you bring it in here, your going to pay for it. That happened a lot in playoff basketball in the old days.

 

[CATCH17]

BTW, I took my wife and 3 year old son to the game on Sunday. It was the little guy's first Mavs game.
Wow!

We had great lower bowl seats a few rows behind the Laker bench (and Phil Jackson's family).
That place was deafening.

Also some other trivia. I was in Australia on business last week and sat beside Cheryl Miller on the way back when I went through LA. She had some funny things to say about that TNT crew.

Cowboys are my favorite team first but I have wayyyy more fun at Mavs games.

They are so fun. Especially when it's raining 3's.

 

[MC KAos]

Lake make a statement here so that we can all understand my view point here. I personally thought the ref job in this series was poor but I think it was poor in a few series. I think the refs didn't do a very good job of calling a consistent game and I think that it kinda lead to this outburst. I don't think it really mattered much because I think the Mavs outplayed the Lakers in every single game by a wide margin.

The foul that Bynum put on Barea was kind of old school IMO. In the old days, if you couldn't stop a player then teams would go to hard fouls to try and get him out of his game. To me, I kinda think that's what the Lakers were trying to do. I think Jackson realized that they didn't have what it took to beat the Mavs physically so he tried some old school stuff and it didn't work. It's not an excuse. I just think that it was to consistent from to many players. JMO.

"They were breaking us down, so I just fouled somebody. I was just kind of salty about being embarrassed. It was embarrassing to have the smallest guy on the court keep running down the lane and making shots."-Andrew Bynum

that quote from bynum, plus the fact that not only this game, but the entire series was over at the point he did it, PLUS the fact he acted like a child and took his jersey off while still on the court makes your point of being physical completely wrong

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

that quote from bynum, plus the fact that not only this game, but the entire series was over at the point he did it, PLUS the fact he acted like a child and took his jersey off while still on the court makes your point of being physical completely wrong

If you say so but as I said before, the physical play started much earlier in the series then just that one last play. Doesn't make any difference really. It is what it is but I have seen much worse in the old days. Today it's different.

 

[MC KAos]

Cowboys are my favorite team first but I have wayyyy more fun at Mavs games.

They are so fun. Especially when it's raining 3's.

ya id rather watch a basketball game live, the best is a game winning/tying shot at the end, i was at game 2 vs the kings when barry hit a game tying 3, its an awesome feeling.

id much rather watch football at home, the games are like an hour longer and the traffic afterwards is TERRIBLE

 

[MC KAos]

If you say so but as I said before, the physical play started much earlier in the series then just that one last play. Doesn't make any difference really. It is what it is but I have seen much worse in the old days. Today it's different.

well, i guess my point is that there is a difference between being physical and dirty. what odom did was physical, but what bynum did was just dirty. it would have been one thing if he went for the ball then came down and knocked him on his ***, but he just threw the elbow out to hurt him

 

[MC KAos]

BTW, I took my wife and 3 year old son to the game on Sunday. It was the little guy's first Mavs game.
Wow!

We had great lower bowl seats a few rows behind the Laker bench (and Phil Jackson's family).
That place was deafening.

Also some other trivia. I was in Australia on business last week and sat beside Cheryl Miller on the way back when I went through LA. She had some funny things to say about that TNT crew.

thats awesome! i hope to take my son to a spurs game next year or the year after, maybe by then good seats will be cheap since we will suck! haha.

did she say anything about why craig sager wears those ridiculous suits?:laugh2:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

well, i guess my point is that there is a difference between being physical and dirty. what odom did was physical, but what bynum did was just dirty. it would have been one thing if he went for the ball then came down and knocked him on his ***, but he just threw the elbow out to hurt him

In today's game, that's dirty. In the game that used be played in the NBA, that's just a hard foul.

 

[Stautner]

Maybe today but Mahorn, Gilmore, Washington on Tomjanovich, Laimbeer, Maurice Lucas, and basically anybody in a Celtics Uni would foul you hard and they would not be going for ball. They were just going to send a message to you back in the old days. Heck, Lucas would tell you before the game that he was going to hurt you so just be ready for the pain. Today it's different but back in the old days, they weren't just going after the ball. They were trying to make you think long and hard about taking it down the lane for a dunk. Better pull up and take that little 8 foot jumper cause if you bring it in here, your going to pay for it. That happened a lot in playoff basketball in the old days.

I can't really recall off the top of my head where any of those guys did much that was in the same realm what happened to Barrera. The obvious instance was Kermit Washington punching Tonjanovich in the face, which is certainly a worse offense and was punished accordingly. In general, however, my recollectioin is those guys did things that would send a message or cause some pain, not potentially result in serious injury. They hacked, they bupped, they pushed, they threw an elbow to the side, and they made sure that someone driving to the backet was going to make contact with them en route, but they didn't take out a guy hanging in the air.

Nevertheless, of course that kind of thing has happened at times, and and there may even be times that i don't recall that happening with those guys, but whether it was those guys or anyone else did something like what happened to Barrera, it was a cheap shot then just as it is now, and every player knew it as such. The fact that the NBA may not have imposed the same kind of penalties back then did not make it more acceptible among basketball players.

 

[MC KAos]

In today's game, that's dirty. In the game that used be played in the NBA, that's just a hard foul.

you are probably right, but we gotta go by the way the game is played now, not back then. specially considering bynum is in his early 20s, he grew up watching shaq and duncan, he knows better.