Dalton throws for 300+ yds: fans say keep him. Dak threw for 450+ yds 3 times, fans say cut him?

[McKDaddy]

Dak #1 QB in the league....Dalton couldn't lick his balls....even if he tried

The sane world just laughs at completely asinine comments like this.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

how does that prevent you from signing other players? it didn't this year. we had 7 of the highest paid NFL position players on the team...signed 4 mid level FAs. we just suck at signing the right FAs.....that's the problem. when was the last time jerry made the right splash on the defensive side of the ball...with the likes of Hardy, Poe, Griffin, McCoy.....all washed up, head cases, lazy and has beens.

There was a very good article a few months ago, pre-Covid, that showed that the whole "if we pay Dak what he wants we can't pay anybody else" thing was nonsense. Now that's changed with the probably lowering of the cap next year. But since we now have a vaccine, that lower cap, if it occurs (and we have months to go before next season, not sure when the cap amount is set) will only be for one year. Let's not panic over the short term and make spur of the moment decisions, we've had enough of that with Jerry and his T. Crawford-type contracts, etc....

 

[LACowboysFan1]

The sane world just laughs at completely asinine comments like this.

Not sure that comment was meant to be serious...

 

[charron]

Neither QB is good against good defenses. Both have been capable of 30+ points against below average defenses. My only question is which guy allows you to build a better team around him? Would Dalton even take a Bridgewater type deal to stay here? We know Dak won't. I think if money was the same most would lean towards Dak. I'll guarantee that if either of these guys are paid 35+ then their teams will be 1 and done in the playoffs if they even get that far.

 

[America's Cowboy]

It upsets you that much some Cowboys fans don't want Prescott as the Cowboys QB (for whatever reason(s))- you start a thread with that title?

What's the matter? Does the truth bother you that much?

 

[ESisback]

how does that prevent you from signing other players? it didn't this year. we had 7 of the highest paid NFL position players on the team...signed 4 mid level FAs. we just suck at signing the right FAs.....that's the problem. when was the last time jerry made the right splash on the defensive side of the ball...with the likes of Hardy, Poe, Griffin, McCoy.....all washed up, head cases, lazy and has beens.

They sure HAVEN’T done well signing free agents, have they? They’ll do even worse with less cap space to sign them, and if you give 40 to Dak, that’s what you’ll have...less.

Didn’t they offer 33.5 for 5 with 100 guaranteed? With endorsements in tax free Texas, that’s pretty good jack to play ball, and in these times. Listen...I like Dak, they like Dak, the Cowboys could win Super Bowls with Dak. But NO ONE is bigger than the team.

 

[Cmac]

What if it is a military clock or a digital clock set to 24 hour mode?

It would still be right, at some point in the day.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Nothing to do with Dak's stats. The fans calling for his release believe he was greedy by not signing the offer. Not sure why anyone on this forum who bash some of the players get upset with other fans bashing Dak. Fans will be fans.

The problem isn’t the DAL FO.
The problem is Dak thinks he’s Russell Wilson.
So here we (The fans) are. Going down the same road WASH went down with Cousins, who thought he was Aaron Rogers.

 

[ESisback]

which defensive FAs? Poe? McCoy? Griffin? that all worked out so well...

which FAs are available to pay $10M each and get good return? defensive players worth anything don't hit the market....there is a reason, they are either washed up, suck, injured, head cases....and we have had all of them signed up like Poe, McCoy, Hardy, Griffin...... all about 6-8M a year.....who was available for 10M a year that we didn't sign and they are playing well? getting NFL DT FAs not like going to walmart through the aisles picking up what you want...

I’d target S and LB and OT in FA, draft DT, DB, LB, but that’s just my opinion. No claims to be a personnel guru.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Dalton is a never been (not even a has been). 0-5 in playoffs. 1-12 in games that mattered. he got BLOWN out by average teams....and just beat 3 4-10 teams with their back up QBs playing and needed 9 turnovers a defensive TD and a special teams TD to do it..

Dalton PLAIN SUCKS...you know it. I know it. everyone knows it. NFL knows it.

Dak #1 QB in the league....Dalton couldn't lick his balls....even if he tried.

You know I'm so tired of the "this player, or that player, or this coach or that coach" SUCKS.

Andy Dalton didn't stay on the Bengals for 9 years and then get signed by the Cowboys (Jerry's poor free agent signing history notwithstanding), then win several games (even against not-so-good teams) if he SUCKS.

Is he top-10? No. Top-20? Probably not, but NO quarterback does what he has done if he SUCKS. He has skills, can handle the position to a certain extent.

He's average to below average, can't put an exact rating on him because every team and every situation and every game is different.
Let's have a little civility, how would you like it if your co-workers went around saying you SUCK at your job, even though who you work for kept you around?

 

[America's Cowboy]

hmmm, interesting spin and made up story you put forth

Dak had 4 Ints, two coming in the last plays of the game in desparation time.
Dalton has had 7
it took Dalton 8.5 games to finally pass as much as Dak did in 4.5 games...

in 2019, Dak had 11 interceptions...Dalton had 14
in 2018 Dak had 8, Dalton had 11, Ben Rothlisberger who absolutely sucks had 16 (LOL)

Zeke had 5 fumbles in 2020.....3 times when Dak was starting, 2 times since

how far up your arse do you reach to pull out these stats? they seem very far fetched....

 

[America's Cowboy]

You know I'm so tired of the "this player, or that player, or this coach or that coach" SUCKS.

Andy Dalton didn't stay on the Bengals for 9 years and then get signed by the Cowboys (Jerry's poor free agent signing history notwithstanding), then win several games (even against not-so-good teams) if he SUCKS.

Is he top-10? No. Top-20? Probably not, but NO quarterback does what he has done if he SUCKS. He has skills, can handle the position to a certain extent.

He's average to below average, can't put an exact rating on him because every team and every situation and every game is different.
Let's have a little civility, how would you like it if your co-workers went around saying you SUCK at your job, even though who you work for kept you around?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Nothing to do with Dak's stats. The fans calling for his release believe he was greedy by not signing the offer. Not sure why anyone on this forum who bash some of the players get upset with other fans bashing Dak. Fans will be fans.

Bro, it's because Dak was not being totally greedy. Dak came to an agreement on the price offered to him by Jerry. It was the length of the contract that Dak was in disagreement with. He wanted a shorter 4 year deal in order to take advantage of the new TV deal coming up with the NFL so that Dak could cash in once again in such a short time from now. Now, after Dak's leg injury, it might be a blessing for the Cowboys and force Dak to accept a longer term deal (around 6 years) for security purposes since not even Dak knows how his leg will hold up longterm without any setbacks, plus it would best help the Cowboys to spread the total new contract offer over 6 years, instead of 4, thus enabling the team to create more capspace for other player signings. I'm sure Jerry will have some emergency clauses in the new contract offer this upcoming Spring that will protect Dak but also protect the franchise by being able to cut Dak in the near future IF Dak's leg injury were to suddenly rebreak or cause him serious setbacks, limitations on the field or at worst suddenly force him to retire. Such an injury can be very hard to foresee how it will hold up. Only time and performance on the field can determine that.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Bro, it's because Dak was not being totally greedy. Dak came to an agreement on the price offered to him by Jerry. It was the length of the contract that Dak was in disagreement with. He wanted a shorter 4 year deal in order to take advantage of the new TV deal coming up with the NFL so that Dak could cash in once again in such a short time from now. Now, after Dak's leg injury, it might be a blessing for the Cowboys and force Dak to accept a longer term deal (around 6 years) for security purposes since not even Dak knows how his leg will hold up longterm without any setbacks, plus it would best help the Cowboys to spread the total new contract offer over 6 years, instead of 4, thus enabling the team to create more capspace for other player signings. I'm sure Jerry will have some emergency clauses in the new contract offer this upcoming Spring that will protect Dak but also protect the franchise by being able to cut Dak in the near future IF Dak's leg injury were to suddenly rebreak or cause him serious setbacks, limitations on the field or at worst suddenly force him to retire. Such an injury can be very hard to foresee how it will hold up. Only time and performance on the field can determine that.

I would find it hard to believe, rules or not, that Dak and his agent don't have at least some idea as to what his market value is worth, and what teams are interested in signing him. They aren't going to ask for the moon if no team out there is willing to pay his demand, like if Dak goes on the market asking $40 mil a year and nobody offers it, he'd, at best, look silly. And at worst he'd be put at a disadvantage in negotiating with Jerry.

Really don't see that a new contract won't get done in the offseason, but I'm not privy to the negotiations, if any....

 

[ChuckA1]

Bro, it's because Dak was not being totally greedy. Dak came to an agreement on the price offered to him by Jerry. It was the length of the contract that Dak was in disagreement with. He wanted a shorter 4 year deal in order to take advantage of the new TV deal coming up with the NFL so that Dak could cash in once again in such a short time from now. Now, after Dak's leg injury, it might be a blessing for the Cowboys and force Dak to accept a longer term deal (around 6 years) for security purposes since not even Dak knows how his leg will hold up longterm without any setbacks, plus it would best help the Cowboys to spread the total new contract offer over 6 years, instead of 4, thus enabling the team to create more capspace for other player signings. I'm sure Jerry will have some emergency clauses in the new contract offer this upcoming Spring that will protect Dak but also protect the franchise by being able to cut Dak in the near future IF Dak's leg injury were to suddenly rebreak or cause him serious setbacks, limitations on the field or at worst suddenly force him to retire. Such an injury can be very hard to foresee how it will hold up. Only time and performance on the field can determine that.

I understand completely. The greedy part goes to the length of contract because it shortens the ability to spread it out over 5-6 years instead of the 4 Dak wanted. Many still believe this was being greedy. Again, fans will be fans.

 

[Diehardblues]

Why shouldn’t Dak pursue a contract near Watson’s 40 million? Wilson’s 35 million is old news.

It shouldn’t be on him that the Cowboys don’t know how to build a team around him. Nor should it be on him that we’ve overpaid and mishandled other players contract.

Dak should look out for himself. It’s up to the Cowboys to look after their own interest as well.

The QB is the one position most teams over pay. That’s simply part of the game.

 

[streetcredit]

which defensive FAs? Poe? McCoy? Griffin? that all worked out so well...

which FAs are available to pay $10M each and get good return? defensive players worth anything don't hit the market....there is a reason, they are either washed up, suck, injured, head cases....and we have had all of them signed up like Poe, McCoy, Hardy, Griffin...... all about 6-8M a year.....who was available for 10M a year that we didn't sign and they are playing well? getting NFL DT FAs not like going to walmart through the aisles picking up what you want...

Yeah, those are the guys i was referring to for next year, where did I say go bargain basement shopping or look for guys who don't fit your scheme .....if you can't find a free agent you like, they can resign players like Gallup or their TE

 

[5Stars]

The sane world just laughs at completely asinine comments like this.

Hey, kids will be kids, let them play.

 

[ShaneFalco]

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Why shouldn’t Dak pursue a contract near Watson’s 40 million? Wilson’s 35 million is old news.

It shouldn’t be on him that the Cowboys don’t know how to build a team around him. Nor should it be on him that we’ve overpaid and mishandled other players contract.

Dak should look out for himself. It’s up to the Cowboys to look after their own interest as well.

The QB is the one position most teams over pay. That’s simply part of the game.

And then your the Minnesota Vikings.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

35/5 this year, next year the salary cap is dropping. Whatever percentage it drops take that off the 35 offer. So 33/5 I'm ok keeping Dak around for that. He's a decent QB, not going to take us to a SB but he will get us close.

We have the upper hand now, he is coming off a serious injury. Give him a lower offer or he can walk. If you think you can get something for him then tag him and get a draft pick or 2. Hopefully someone signs him before the season starts.