Dawn of Justice

[Aikmaniac]

Crazy how much hate this movie is getting.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Crazy how much hate this movie is getting.

You either love it or the opposite. Like I said, Marvel movies have that humor. Snyder films don't. It's all dark and gloom. Some people like that all the time, others want more depth.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

You either love it or the opposite. Like I said, Marvel movies have that humor. Snyder films don't. It's all dark and gloom. Some people like that all the time, others want more depth.

I don't get that honestly. I thought this had a few funny moments, IMO.

The tea in the glass from Luthor? That had me laughing all the way till their time was up.

When Superman asks Batman if shes with him and Batman says I thought she was with you. That made me laugh.


I do agree with you that Marvel does more humor but I don't think that Dawn of Justice was without humor.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I don't get that honestly. I thought this had a few funny moments, IMO.

The tea in the glass from Luthor? That had me laughing all the way till their time was up.

When Superman asks Batman if shes with him and Batman says I thought she was with you. That made me laugh.


I do agree with you that Marvel does more humor but I don't think that Dawn of Justice was without humor.

I was amused, that's it. I guess humor is subjective for us.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Kevin Feige: Marvel Cinematic Universe Will Never Be ‘Dark’

MCU head Kevin Feige made it clear that humor is essential to their movie brand:

"There is no dark turn in the MCU. He says every year fans come up to him and ask him if this movie is when the MCU goes “dark” or takes a “dark” turn. He said while the trailers may seem ominous or have a sense of impending doom, the movies do not have that feel, and will not. He said he ‘Hoped people would catch on by now’ – there will be no giant dark turns in the MCU where it then continues to head in that direction. The humor is in the DNA of the movies, there are no plans to change that."
http://screenrant.com/marvel-vs-dc-movies-dark-tone-humor/

 

[JoeKing]

Thread full of spoilers with no spoiler warning in the thread title. People please think before you post or at least add a warning in the thread title like was done for the Walking Dead thread. Thank you.

 

[Floatyworm]

Hoping for better things ahead.

Got a bad feeling this is gonna bomb.....and be the end for the Avengers...Much like Superman III was for Chris Reeves.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Got a bad feeling this is gonna bomb.....and be the end for the Avengers...Much like Superman III was for Chris Reeves.

New characters added...Ant-Man, Spider-Man, Black Panther, etc., it will be a hit. Dawn of Justice is bombing now at the box office somewhat...

"Batman v Superman’ Suffers a Massive Drop Off at the Box Office

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice does not have the staying power previous blockbusters such as Star Wars: The Force Awakens and Deadpool have experienced in recent months. Heck, it's not even doing as well in its second weekend as the animated Disney hit Zootopia. And this does not bode well for the DCEU.

Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice earned just $15.4 million dollars at the domestic box office on its second Friday in release. The movie is currently screening in 4,256 theaters. So far, it has racked up $224.4 million, which would be very impressive for a lesser movie. But this is Warner Bros. big shot at not only setting up the Justice League but all of the DCEU spinoffs that come with it. In comparison, Batman v Superman earned $81.6 million last Friday, including $27.7 million from Thursday Night previews. Even without the Thursday numbers, we're looking at a drastic 70% drop from last weekend to this weekend, with $53.9 million vs $15.4 million."

 

[Stash]

Got a bad feeling this is gonna bomb.....and be the end for the Avengers...Much like Superman III was for Chris Reeves.

Seriously?

 

[BAZ]

Seriously?

I think he meant Supes 4.

 

[Stash]

I think he meant Supes 4.

Even so, there's nothing that's going to derail the next set of Marvel films, including the two upcoming Avengers films.

They've made billions upon billions of dollars for Disney. Even the biggest of flops won't stop their plans, no matter how badly some people might apparently be wishing for it.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Even so, there's nothing that's going to derail the next set of Marvel films, including the two upcoming Avengers films.

They've made billions upon billions of dollars for Disney. Even the biggest of flops won't stop their plans, no matter how badly some people might apparently be wishing for it.

That's why the Suicide Suad is doing reshoots, to add humor because of the Dawn of Justice bad reviews and it's now dropping in box office sales.

 

[BAZ]

Even so, there's nothing that's going to derail the next set of Marvel films, including the two upcoming Avengers films.

They've made billions upon billions of dollars for Disney. Even the biggest of flops won't stop their plans, no matter how badly some people might apparently be wishing for it.

Civil war will do crazy numbers, interesting to see if DOJ has any affect on the box office. It may be hard to believe but there are still some people that don't know who Marvel & DC are.

 

[mattjames2010]

The man who brought you Kickboxer 2, The Crow 2, Ghost Rider 2, Jumper, Blade Trinity, Nick Fury the TV show, The Unborn, got lucky with Dark City and took credit for the Batman trilogy. The man who once said Batman vs. Superman is a bad idea brings you....

....Batman vs. Superman.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

That's one of my hangups about the movie. Snyder could have omitted every flashback or montage dealing with the death of Bruce's parents UNTIL the moment Kal-El mentions Martha's name. Snyder could have used the opening flashback sequence and modified it into a simple montage of:

1) Glimpse of killer
2) Glimpse of gun firing
3) Glimpse of Thomas reeling
4) Glimpse of gun firing a second time
5) Glimpse of Martha reeling
6) The length of time in would take Thomas to utter "Martha"
7) Glimpse of young Bruce's face

In other words, a montage of images, seven/eight seconds max, racing through Batman's mind before screaming at Superman, "Why did you say that name?!?"

Maybe it's cruel to treat part of the audience as ignorant regarding their knowledge of Bruce's parents or Clark's parents (both sets!)--or heck, even Diana's, lol--but the names are a part of American (if not world) modern day mythology. There have been movies. There have been television shows. There have been decades and decades of comic books, newspaper articles, SNL skits, etc. The freaking internet has been around since Al Gore created it! If there are people out there who don't know these central characters by now it's their problem in my opinion. /rant off

I was about to knock your idea. But it is better. 150%

 

[DallasEast]

I am older than the World Wide Web. Heck, I am older than the internet. I can remember the world not being as flexible with the English language as it is today. Take the word diva for example. Back in the day, people labeled a handful of women in the entire world as divas. Today, diva is applied to more women than one can shake a stick at today. Shoot, divas are men now. No doubt, the world has evolved.

Same goes for the word bomb in the movie industry. Filmsite.org and Tvtropes.org define a box office bomb as “Films that cost more to make than they acquire in revenue (both domestic and worldwide) are considered box-office catastrophes or bombs” and “a movie for which production and marketing cost greatly exceeds its gross revenue, ergo fails to turn a profit for the studio behind the film.” Flop is a similar word used for such movies.

The 13th Warrior is regarded as a domestic box office bomb. Here’s how it performed over its 37 day run after being made on a budget of $160 million:

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Ouch. Other domestic bombs were made with budgets in excess of Warrior’s, like 47 Ronin ($175 million), John Carter ($250 million), and The Lone Ranger ($215 million). How did these films do at the box office?

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wow. Worldwide totals lessen revenue losses somewhat for these movies with Warrior taking in nearly $62 million, Ronin $152 million, Carter $284 million, and Ranger $260 million. Ranger and Carter made extremely modest profits of $45 and $34 million respectfully but Warrior and Ronin did far poorly, unable to recoup $98 and $23 million respectfully in order to break even.

However, the world has evolved and the word bomb has morphed into more than the dollars that movies don’t rake in. Filmsite says movies bomb for reasons such as “lack of studio promotion, heavy competition from other movies released at the same time, exorbitant productions costs difficult to recoup and other production problems, negative word of mouth (especially in the era of the Internet and social media) or critical reviews, or other external factors such as bad timing or economic problems in society at large.” While Filmsite.org gives these reasons as detriments to box office numbers, people have gradually adopted them to fit their definition of movies’ quality also.

So how has Batman v Superman ($250 million budget) fared domestically? Here are the numbers through April 3 (includes weekend estimates):

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Budget-wise, BvS has fared much better, with $682 million so far, or a profit of $432 million on worldwide receipts. Overall numbers may not matter to some when weekly or even daily numbers factor into defining bombs though. The redefining process may center upon negative word of mouth as Filmsite mentions. How do movies’ grades drive negative word of mouth? Here are the Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic grades of the aforementioned movies:

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Paid critics’ grades were generally poor to average, while general audience grades were average to good. Carter received the least negative grades but only netted a very modest $34 million profit--while BvS has raked in $432 million over budget after receiving good grades from general audiences that have been offset by lower fair grades from paid critics.

What does it all mean?

Looks like the popularity of the DC characters and the debated entertainment quality of the movie drew a significant audience initially. Enough of a large audience, not swayed by the paid critics’ reviews, doled out budget equally dollars very early in its run. And even though the numbers being pulled in have slowed considerably, the dip in revenue doesn’t alter what the movie already accomplished. In the final analysis, BvS is bombing after the fact.

Words.

http://www.filmsite.org/greatestflops.html
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BoxOfficeBomb
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&view=chart&id=13thwarrior.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&view=chart&id=47ronin.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&view=chart&id=johncarterofmars.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&view=chart&id=loneranger.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&view=chart&id=superman2015.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=13thwarrior.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=47ronin.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=johncarterofmars.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=loneranger.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=superman2015.htm
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-13th-warrior
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/13th_warrior/
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/47-ronin
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/47_ronin/?search=47 ronin
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/lone-ranger
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lone_ranger/?search=the lone
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/john-carter
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/john_carter/
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/?search=batman v

 

[DallasEast]

I think he meant Supes 4.

He probably meant Superman III and IV. General audiences were down or worst on both (Metacritic 4.4 & 2.6 and Rotten Tomatoes 23% & 16% ratings). III pulled in less than $60 million. IV made less than it's $17 million budget. The franchise peaked with Superman II and tumbled hard afterwards.

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/superman-iii
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/superman-iv-the-quest-for-peace
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_iii/?search=superman iii
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_iv_the_quest_for_peace/?search=superman iv
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman3.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman4.htm

 

[DallasEast]

The man who brought you Kickboxer 2, The Crow 2, Ghost Rider 2, Jumper, Blade Trinity, Nick Fury the TV show, The Unborn, got lucky with Dark City and took credit for the Batman trilogy. The man who once said Batman vs. Superman is a bad idea brings you....

....Batman vs. Superman.

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/may/08/entertainment/ca-batman8/3

In full context, Goyer made the comment based on the studio politics occurring during the eight-year drought between that nonsense Batman & Robin and Nolan/Goyer's Batman Begins. There were debates of what course Warner Bros should take next. Should it be a dark Punisher type Batman or a non-Wayne Batman based in the future, etc? One of the pitched ideas to follow B&R was Batman versus Superman. Upon this backdrop in 2005, Goyer stated, " 'Batman Vs. Superman' is where you go when you admit to yourself that you've exhausted all possibilities. It's like 'Frankenstein meets Wolfman' or 'Freddy Vs. Jason.' It's somewhat of an admission that this franchise is on its last gasp." The actual movie released this year follows the resurrection of Batman by Nolan and revisioning of Superman by Snyder. In my opinion, Goyer would not make a similar comment based on the efforts of the past decade even if he were totally separated from either the Nolan or Snyder franchises.

 

[BAZ]

He probably meant Superman III and IV.

Three made its money back four killed the franchise but if you want to take this outside I'll role up my sleeves.

 

[CyberB0b]

Thread full of spoilers with no spoiler warning in the thread title. People please think before you post or at least add a warning in the thread title like was done for the Walking Dead thread. Thank you.

Here's a tip. Don't open a thread about a movie you haven't seen two weeks after its release.