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jimmy40;2640298 said:
I wish they'd get DW off the telecasts or at least threaten to beat his *** if he ever says boogity boogity again.

That gets on my nerves as well.

Even though he had the best interview after a wreck ever. In the first or second Brickyard 400 Geoff Bodine wrecked DW and he said I can't say what I want to say on tv but a little turd wrecked me. :laugh1:
 

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jimmy40;2640306 said:
Didn't he die because he was blocking and not racing?

Sounds like Vickers.
 

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It's your fault for being a Denny fan:p:
 

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Scranton Tiger;2640302 said:
Oh he did at least once and tried at least one more time both during the 1987 Winston All-Star Race. Elliott took out the #5 Levi Garrett car driven by Geoff Bodine and tried to take out Earnhardt driving the #3 Wrangler car but couldn't do it. Remember the "Pass in the Grass"? Of course while trying to take out Earnhardt, Elliott damaged a tire which eventually blew out ending his chances at victory.

Usually and I say again usually Bill wouldn't touch another car unless they did it to him first.
 

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jimmy40;2640306 said:
Didn't he die because he was blocking and not racing?
Darrell Waltrip has said he was blocking for the #8 and #15 which he owned. Earnhardt never said as much on the radio however. Also, considering that he himself had a boss and sponsors to answer to, I doubt it's true. It does make for a better story though. You know, Earnhardt gives his life securing the first career victory for his long time friend Michael Waltrip and a second place finsih for his son giving DEI a sweep of the top two spots. As for why he died, it's because he wasn't wearing a HANs device and was caught up in a typical Plate track crash. Because of his death, SAFER barriers were developed and the HANs device became madatory.
 

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Yeagermeister;2640317 said:
Usually and I say again usually Bill wouldn't touch another car unless they did it to him first.
Elliott was the aggressor in that race but in his defense, it wasn't a points race.
 

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What's this about windshield wipers, and why they won't race in the rain?????

It has nothing to do with that. It's because these cars race with FENDERS and the TIRES aren't made with GROOVES to push away water like on your Buick Rendevous or your Camry.

The "open wheel" guys race in the rain a lot............no fenders. Wheel wells and fenders tend to build a little water problem ya' know............

Another thing..............that wreck was all Junior. Period. End of story.
Where the hell was he going, down below the line in a restrictor plate race? Who the hell was going to go with him? The only reason he was down there screwin' around is because he missed his pit TWICE!!! WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT???????
 

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lewpac;2640456 said:
What's this about windshield wipers, and why they won't race in the rain?????

It has nothing to do with that. It's because these cars race with FENDERS and the TIRES aren't made with GROOVES to push away water like on your Buick Rendevous or your Camry.

The "open wheel" guys race in the rain a lot............no fenders. Wheel wells and fenders tend to build a little water problem ya' know............

Another thing..............that wreck was all Junior. Period. End of story.
Where the hell was he going, down below the line in a restrictor plate race? Who the hell was going to go with him? The only reason he was down there screwin' around is because he missed his pit TWICE!!! WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT???????

Jr was forced down by Vickers but I still think Jr didn't have to bump him.
 

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Scranton Tiger;2640258 said:
Spoken like someone who either is a Dale Earnhardt hater or someone who is a fringe fan and doesn't watch every race every season. Dale Earnhardt did indeed drive VERY aggressive. It's how he came by the moniker of "Intimidator". However, despite the myths, he rarely wrecked someone. Oh it did happen every once in a while, but more often than not, Earnhardt would move a driver without putting him in the wall. Fans know it today as the "bump and run". Bump a car just enough to loosen him up so the driver would have to move up the track a little giving Earnhardt room to pass under him. He was the unquestioned master at that. There are only two instances of Earnhardt taking out another driver that come immediately to mind. One was Darrell Waltrip driving the #11 Budweiser car at the old Richmond fairgrounds in the mid eighties (86 or 87). The other was Terry Labonte driving the #5 Kelloggs car at Bristol in 99. I'm sure there's probably one or two more, but the point is, despite the myth, Dale Earnhardt rarely wrecked another driver. He didn't have to because he was just that good.
Nicely written.
 

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I am a Dale Jr. fan and I say the fault was 50/50. Judging by his interview it sounded like he didn't know Vickers was a lap down too. I understand why Vickers went to block him because he wanted the Lucky Dog, but Junior was coming up faster than what he was going -- given there was what 75 laps to go I think Vickers should have gotten his butt out of the way. Then again, I might have some pent up animosity toward the guy since he wrecked Junior and Johnson at Talledega a few years ago and the guy had it coming. :D

Like Junior or not he is one to always tell the truth. If he wrecks someone either on purpose or on accident he will call himself out on it on the radio and in interviews. When he has a crappy car, he lets people know he has a crappy car. He doesn't sugar coat much and that's why I do not think this hit was intentional. I believe he was frustrated as was I after his lack of talent in getting into the pit box today. I was impressed with him to go all the way from last to up to 6th only to throw it away by being an inch over the line. I'm sure the frustration got in the way of judgment and it ended up causing a big wreck.

And I agree Stewart and Busch are the biggest babies when it comes to them being wrecked. Even Saturday after Stewart won he was saying had Busch spun him out there would have been a price to pay. I dislike Busch the most and then rainbow twins even though they are teammates.

It's racing -- there are going to be crashes. It's part of the job. If you can't accept that you might be in a wreck, well then I think they are in the wrong profession.

As for the opening ceremonies -- oh. my. god. Take long enough!!? Keith Urban could have performed before they went to air for the fans. Had the race started at Noon or 1 PM we would have gotten the whole race in. As I flipped back and forth I said with the clouds they are going to run into rain -- I just knew it.

Digger Cam -- could we be more childish? What moron came up with that? I know a lot of kids watch racing, but it's not for Digger. I think Digger is for DW to keep him entertained. I see no point in having that cartoon pop up. It's annoying and I love cartoons.

I watched my first race when Dale Sr. dyed. I'm not a die hard fan by any means. Went to the Vegas race last year, but the minute football season starts my love for Dale Jr. has to wait until February. At times I'll DVR the race when I am watching football, but most likely won't watch it. I love the Cowboys more than Dale Jr.
 

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Yeagermeister;2640462 said:
Jr was forced down by Vickers but I still think Jr didn't have to bump him.

I agree JR couldnt of passed him without crossing the yellow anyway.
 

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Hated to see the race fall short of the 500 miles I would have loved to see them finish. Congrads to Kenseth on his win anyways. As for the Jr debate in the words of a great race call driver "That's racing" not the 1st time something like that happened and it will not be the last.
 

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My thoughts on the wreck. First of all Jr. is a Commanders fan, so I am not a Jr. fan. I am also not a fan of Vickers. So I've got no dog in that fight.

Jr. had a run on Vickers and he had cars behind him pushing him. If the two cars were reversed I don't for one minute believe Jr. would have blocked that aggressively. I think he proved that earlier in the race when he was leading. When someone has a run on you and has a train you have to let them go by. Vickers didn't.

I understand not wanting to lose the Lucky Dog spot, but it is crystal clear to me that Jr. had a run and Vickers pushed him clear down below the double yellow line. If Jr. had checked up the cars behind him were going to be in his rear bumper and he was going to be the car headed up into the wall.

He did the only thing he could have done at that point and he tried to go back up around Vickers on the right and he simply got his right rear with the left front. You cannot slam the door on a guy who has a run on you in a restrictor plate race. If you do, that is going to cause a wreck. Even if Jr. had checked up there was going to be a wreck. He could not have avoided that I don't think. Not when you are making a charge as he was and had cars behind him pushing in the Draft.

Like his Daddy used to say, "that's racing."

I will be shocked if NASCAR fines him and it has nothing to do with him being the most popular driver. I don't care about that crap. I think the block was overly aggressive and was going to cause a wreck regardless of who ended up hitting who.

I feel bad for Kyle Busch. Easily the best car.
 

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Yeagermeister;2640904 said:
Here's the video of the wreck. Jr didn't have anyone behind him. If he keeps a cool head and backs off a split second the wreck doesn't happen. Vickers was wrong by blocking the way he did but that is legal.

http://www.nascar.com/video/cup/2009/02/15/cup.day.high.four.nascar/index.html

It is racing and accidents happen. Vickers blocked and Jr clipped him trying to get back up the track. I don't think there was any intent on causing the accident. That is racing and guys like Vickers moaning today will be bumping others next week it is part of NASCAR
 

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Doomsday101;2640907 said:
It is racing and accidents happen. Vickers blocked and Jr clipped him trying to get back up the track. I don't think there was any intent on causing the accident. That is racing and guys like Vickers moaning today will be bumping others next week it is part of NASCAR

I disagree on the intent. I have no problem with him paying him back just not where he did it and how it affected the race.
 

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Yeagermeister;2640914 said:
I disagree on the intent. I have no problem with him paying him back just not where he did it and how it affected the race.

Then we disagree Jr would have been risking getting caught up in the accident himself which he almost was. Plain and simple he was trying to get back up the track after a very aggressive move by Vickers which took Jr below the yellow line. You could sit there and say that is legal all day long but Vickers action helped cause the accident just as much. In the end for me that is racing it happens pretty often in NASCAR.
 

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Doomsday101;2640930 said:
Then we disagree Jr would have been risking getting caught up in the accident himself which he almost was. Plain and simple he was trying to get back up the track after a very aggressive move by Vickers which took Jr below the yellow line. You could sit there and say that is legal all day long but Vickers action helped cause the accident just as much. In the end for me that is racing it happens pretty often in NASCAR.

I said Vickers was wrong but it was legal. If Jr keeps his head and backs off the accident doesn't happen and he can get his payback later. But you are right it's NASCAR.
 

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Yeagermeister;2640959 said:
I said Vickers was wrong but it was legal. If Jr keeps his head and backs off the accident doesn't happen and he can get his payback later. But you are right it's NASCAR.

NASCAR did not feel Jr. did wrong either. In restrictor plate racing guys can't afford to back off as it takes time to build back up to speed. Jr tried to get back in behind but clipped Vickers.
 

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Vickers' spoters should have told him the 88 was making a run or Vickers should have saw Jr. making his move.

I blame both equally for that wreck.

One thing for sure, no way lapped cars should determine the outcome of a race like that.
 
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