Dear Wade Philips

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wha...? You lost it or sumpin'? All I have to go on is what Parcells himself said. I heard Parcells with my own ears say that he reined in Julius, that he told Julius to go to the hole, as called. You can't sit there and tell me I didn't. I suppose it is possible that Parcells lied about that and never said it to Julius, somehow, I will believe him over you. I know what I heard, not to mention, what was reported by the beat writers too.

And exactly what does reign him in mean? Cause one thing that definitely happened is he reigned in hsi carries but again you have no idea what was specifically instructed to JJ.

Sorry but reign him in does not equate to making him suck as a running back.

 

[smarta5150]

Dear lord Larry Johnson is a best.

After 15 he had 176 carries for 787 yards for 4.8 YPC.

Frank Gore 87 for 399 yards for 4.6 YPC but it should be noted that before carry 15 he was over 5 YPC

Stephen Jackson 114 carries for 566 yards for 5 yards a carry.

i am not even going to bother going on but this should give you an indication of how Jones comapares to the elite of the NFL.

Think STL would trade us JJ and Spears for Jackson?

I was one of the many going absolutely nuts when we passed up Jackson.

Man that hurt.

 

[5Stars]

Wha...? You lost it or sumpin'? All I have to go on is what Parcells himself said. I heard Parcells with my own ears say that he reined in Julius, that he told Julius to go to the hole, as called. You can't sit there and tell me I didn't. I suppose it is possible that Parcells lied about that and never said it to Julius, somehow, I will believe him over you. I know what I heard, not to mention, what was reported by the beat writers too.

randy932, I heard that also. It was in one of his press conferences about Jones, where he stated that he did not want Julius to "improvise", that he wanted him to go to where the play was designed to go. Parcells also said something about "why design a play, if you don't follow it"? (something along those lines)...but, you are right, he did try and coach Julias to "follow the play where the hole is supposed to be, and not dance around looking for something". So, if the oline cannot open the required hole, what is Julius supposed to do?

I think this is where the turning point came in Julius' production lacking...

But OREO breath is still trying to figure out how the hell the world went from being flat to being round! :laugh2:

But, randy932, I also heard what you heard...it's easy, if other Cookie Monsters would just listen!

 

[Rack]

randy932, I heard that also. It was in one of his press conferences about Jones, where he stated that he did not want Julius to "improvise", that he wanted him to go to where the play was designed to go. Parcells also said something about "why design a play, if you don't follow it"? (something along those lines)...but, you are right, he did try and coach Julias to "follow the play where the hole is supposed to be, and not dance around looking for something". So, if the oline cannot open the required hole, what is Julius supposed to do?

I think this is where the turning point came in Julius' production lacking...

But OREO breath is still trying to figure out how the hell the world went from being flat to being round! :laugh2:

But, randy932, I also heard what you heard...it's easy, if other Cookie Monsters would just listen!

This is a load of crap. Telling the RB to follow the hole doesn't make a RB SUCK. It means to trust your blockers longer before you go all Barry Sanders.

Not to mention there were times (lots of times) where there WAS a hole but JuJo completely missed it (and I'm talking about a hole 1 step to the right or left of where he ended up running into a lineman).

 

[philo beddoe]

I was one of the many going absolutely nuts when we passed up Jackson.

Man that hurt.

We shouldn't have passed on Jackson or Kevin Jones--major screwup!

 

[philo beddoe]

Not even I blame BP for JuJones' shortcomings. Draft a RB!!!!!!

 

[randy932]

And exactly what does reign him in mean? Cause one thing that definitely happened is he reigned in hsi carries but again you have no idea what was specifically instructed to JJ.

Sorry but reign him in does not equate to making him suck as a running back.

Compare his rookie season, prior to Parcells reining him in ,with him after Parcells beat it into him to not go anywhere except where the hole is designed to be.

And BTW - yes, I know what Parcells has said publicly. tHe said he told Julius to go where the play is designed to go, that he was dancing around too much in the backfield, to stop ad-libing.

This is ridiculous. If you think that Julius is a terrible back, you go ahead and think it. There is no good evidence for that though due to him getting some horrid coaching by Parcells. But you think what ever your little biased heart desires. He may be a mediocre back, or he may have just had the craftiness and spontaneity coached out of him. We will see.

 

[randy932]

This is a load of crap. Telling the RB to follow the hole doesn't make a RB SUCK. It means to trust your blockers longer before you go all Barry Sanders.

Not to mention there were times (lots of times) where there WAS a hole but JuJo completely missed it (and I'm talking about a hole 1 step to the right or left of where he ended up running into a lineman).

Because his coach told him he would bench him if he did not follow the play as drawn up. Sheesh. That is one reason why I am tickled to death that negative, controlling, micro-managing, dinosaur of a coach is gone.

The one thing that causes me to wonder about him is that he does occasionally go down too easy.

 

[philo beddoe]

Compare his rookie season, prior to Parcells reining him in ,with him after Parcells beat it into him to not go anywhere except where the hole is designed to be.

And BTW - yes, I know what Parcells has said publicly. tHe said he told Julius to go where the play is designed to go, that he was dancing around too much in the backfield, to stop ad-libing.

This is ridiculous. If you think that Julius is a terrible back, you go ahead and think it. There is no good evidence for that though due to him getting some horrid coaching by Parcells. But you think what ever your little biased heart desires. He may be a mediocre back, or he may have just had the craftiness and spontaneity coached out of him. We will see.

I don't think he's "terrible", Randy. I just don't think he's special. He's not a star, not even close. Guess I was spoiled by TD & ES.

 

[randy932]

randy932, I heard that also. It was in one of his press conferences about Jones, where he stated that he did not want Julius to "improvise", that he wanted him to go to where the play was designed to go. Parcells also said something about "why design a play, if you don't follow it"? (something along those lines)...but, you are right, he did try and coach Julias to "follow the play where the hole is supposed to be, and not dance around looking for something". So, if the oline cannot open the required hole, what is Julius supposed to do?

I think this is where the turning point came in Julius' production lacking...

But OREO breath is still trying to figure out how the hell the world went from being flat to being round! :laugh2:

But, randy932, I also heard what you heard...it's easy, if other Cookie Monsters would just listen!

Yep, if they didn't hear, it must not have happened.

 

[TDH]

90% of coaches preach rb patience as well as telling them to go where the play is designed to go. Having Bill as your coach telling you these things is no different than what every other rb in the league has to deal with, but other backs dont all struggle with like JJ. But you go ahead...in your biased little heart and think that things will all be better next year. And when they're not, come back again, as i am sure all you JJ apologists will, with a new excuse about how you saw enough "flashes" to believe JJ will really get it done........."Next Year"

 

[randy932]

I don't think he's "terrible", Randy. I just don't think he's special. He's not a star, not even close. Guess I was spoiled by TD & ES.

So far, it appears you are right. However, it is entirely possible that the RB we saw in 2004 is the true, relaxed RB that is waiting to play with the oppressive hand of a dinosaur coach like Parcells removed from the scene. If this is true, then he just may be special. We will find out soon because I don't think he will be traded anyway.

BTW - I loved watching TD and ES. You forgot Herschel.

 

[randy932]

90% of coaches preach rb patience as well as telling them to go where the play is designed to go. Having Bill as your coach telling you these things is no different than what every other rb in the league has to deal with, but other backs dont all struggle with like JJ. But you go ahead...in your biased little heart and think that things will all be better next year. And when they're not, come back again, as i am sure all you JJ apologists will, with a new excuse about how you saw enough "flashes" to believe JJ will really get it done........."Next Year"

Uhmmm the only way my heart is biased about this is that I think we should not be so quick to judge him on the last 3 years. Parcells totally inhibited him. Parcells told him he would bench him if he didn't stop trying to go somewhere else when the hole is shut off, just lower your head and run up in there. I don't believefor a second that the majority of NFL head coaches (or even more than a handful) tells their RBs that BS. I am neither an apologist, nor a blamer. I am certain that Parcells did not put him in a good situation to excell too often, not with those marching orders.

So, if my wanting to see what he can do under some better coaching makes me biased, then mark me down as guilty. Personally, I think it is all of you judgemental types that have already got your mind made up on what kind of a RB he will be under different coaching that is showing a certain, negative, bias. Let's wait and see if it is the coaching, or if it is the RB.

 

[philo beddoe]

So far, it appears you are right. However, it is entirely possible that the RB we saw in 2004 is the true, relaxed RB that is waiting to play with the oppressive hand of a dinosaur coach like Parcells removed from the scene. If this is true, then he just may be special. We will find out soon because I don't think he will be traded anyway.

BTW - I loved watching TD and ES. You forgot Herschel.

If we end up hanging onto him, I hope you're right, that he will be special. This is a big year for Jones coming up.

 

[CowboyMike]

OH MY GOD!!!

I forgot how amazing he was. Some of that stuff was Barry-esque. He seriously broke some ankles.

It's obvious he was overcoached. This Julius had more patience before hitting the hole, he had amazing vision. The Julius of now hits the hole even if it's not there, he doesn't look for it anymore.

COME ON WADE!!! BRING HIM BACK!!!

 

[InDakWeTrust]

He would be perfect for Philly's offense, but we dont run the WC offense here.

In watching the second play of that vid, who chases down Julius (he had a slight angle but still caught him)?

Julius' acceleration has been lost somewhere, somehow. and if WP can find it or JG can recoach it he will be that player.

But if he cant change he is basically JAG for a 2 back system.

 

[randy932]

90% of coaches preach rb patience as well as telling them to go where the play is designed to go. Having Bill as your coach telling you these things is no different than what every other rb in the league has to deal with, but other backs dont all struggle with like JJ. But you go ahead...in your biased little heart and think that things will all be better next year. And when they're not, come back again, as i am sure all you JJ apologists will, with a new excuse about how you saw enough "flashes" to believe JJ will really get it done........."Next Year"

Nope, not me. This is the year. New coaching by a coach who learned from a master of a "RB utilizing coach" (Garrett learning from Turner), combined with this being his contract year. If he don't get it done this year, see ya.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Compare his rookie season, prior to Parcells reining him in ,with him after Parcells beat it into him to not go anywhere except where the hole is designed to be.

And BTW - yes, I know what Parcells has said publicly. tHe said he told Julius to go where the play is designed to go, that he was dancing around too much in the backfield, to stop ad-libing.

This is ridiculous. If you think that Julius is a terrible back, you go ahead and think it. There is no good evidence for that though due to him getting some horrid coaching by Parcells. But you think what ever your little biased heart desires. He may be a mediocre back, or he may have just had the craftiness and spontaneity coached out of him. We will see.

His stats his rookie year are eerily similar to his stats last year. You just want to believe a miracle change is going to come from Jones with Leonard Davis and it aint going to happen.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because his coach told him he would bench him if he did not follow the play as drawn up. Sheesh. That is one reason why I am tickled to death that negative, controlling, micro-managing, dinosaur of a coach is gone.

The one thing that causes me to wonder about him is that he does occasionally go down too easy.

Once again you are making crap up. I hear the same presser you did and I didnt take that into meaning run into your linman not the hole or avoid contact after I overuse you.

What Rack is saying is right on the money. There would be a hole right next to him and he would run into the lineman. The hole is supposed to be BETWEEN lineman.

 

[superpunk]

Could someone post the transcripts of these amazing discussions Parcells had with the Dallas media about how he was instructing Julius to be less effective? I ask, because I'd just like to see it in black and white. Or, if you can find a video link, that would be fine too.

Just prove it somehow.

Because I'm not remembering it. Sure, I remember Parcells talk about how he was counseling Julius to stop bringing the safety back into the play, when you've already got him beat, but beyond that, I'm blanking.

So, link to the "Parcells tells Julius Jones I WANT YOU to be average" press conference, please.