Dear Wade Philips

[philo beddoe]

Could someone post the transcripts of these amazing discussions Parcells had with the Dallas media about how he was instructing Julius to be less effective? I ask, because I'd just like to see it in black and white. Or, if you can find a video link, that would be fine too.

Just prove it somehow.

Because I'm not remembering it. Sure, I remember Parcells talk about how he was counseling Julius to stop bringing the safety back into the play, when you've already got him beat, but beyond that, I'm blanking.

So, link to the "Parcells tells Julius Jones I WANT YOU to be average" press conference, please.

LOL, good stuff.

 

[randy932]

Could someone post the transcripts of these amazing discussions Parcells had with the Dallas media about how he was instructing Julius to be less effective? I ask, because I'd just like to see it in black and white. Or, if you can find a video link, that would be fine too.

Just prove it somehow.

Because I'm not remembering it. Sure, I remember Parcells talk about how he was counseling Julius to stop bringing the safety back into the play, when you've already got him beat, but beyond that, I'm blanking.

So, link to the "Parcells tells Julius Jones I WANT YOU to be average" press conference, please.

Sorry, it was such common knowledge, I never dreamed there would be any need to bookmark a PC. But, you can believe it or not, it was said, by Parcells, and that is a fact. On another board, we talked about it for days.

BTW - Of course, Parcells didn't think he was instructing him to be less effective. He said that he told Julius to stay with the play as called. Do not ad-lib. Just put your head down and go where the hole is designed to be. If you can't do that, you'll find yourself on the bench. Believe it or not, it's the truth. And you have been told by more than one person on this board.

 

[randy932]

Once again you are making crap up. I hear the same presser you did and I didnt take that into meaning run into your linman not the hole or avoid contact after I overuse you.

What Rack is saying is right on the money. There would be a hole right next to him and he would run into the lineman. The hole is supposed to be BETWEEN lineman.

I agree that there would be a hole right next to him and he would not hit it. he was doing exactly what his head coach ordered him to do. Parcells and his play not to lose style won't work anymore.

BTW - you sure are free and easy with saying someone is making crap up. I am speaking the truth. Do your own research, If you don't remember, it is your fault. There is at least two people on this board that remembers that PC.

 

[superpunk]

Sorry, it was such common knowledge, I never dreamed there would be any need to bookmark a PC. But, you can believe it or not, it was said, by Parcells, and that is a fact. On another board, we talked about it for days.

BTW - Of course, Parcells didn't think he was instructing him to be less effective. He said that he told Julius to stay with the play as called. Do not ad-lib. Just put your head down and go where the hole is designed to be. If you can't do that, you'll find yourself on the bench. Believe it or not, it's the truth. And you have been told by more than one person on this board.

I just asked for you to show me.

We have an entire press conference archive zone. It shouldn't be too difficult to find. I listen to these press conferences religiously. I would think that if Parcells had ACTUALLY said something as stupid as "Julius, just put your head down and go where the hole is designed to be", I would remember it.

Check any of the recap zones. It should be easy to find.

I think what we'll find is that tales of Parcells' ruination have been greatly exaggerated.

 

[randy932]

I just asked for you to show me.

We have an entire press conference archive zone. It shouldn't be too difficult to find. I listen to these press conferences religiously. I would think that if Parcells had ACTUALLY said something as stupid as "Julius, just put your head down and go where the hole is designed to be", I would remember it.

Check any of the recap zones. It should be easy to find.

I think what we'll find is that tales of Parcells' ruination have been greatly exaggerated.

I just went to the recap section - there is 54 pages and the PC happened sometime in 2005. I don't remember the week or even if I could get close to the week. I work the graveyard shift and I just got home. I am not spending my morning searching through pages and pages of archived PCs just to prove to you what is common knowledge. If you are so worried about it, go for it. You can't tell me I didn't hear what I sat right there and listened to. And then discussed with quite a few guys on a Cowboys Discussion Board for days.

No, the Parcells follies has not been exaggerated by me. He acquired some talent. He couldn't coach them to a playoff win. I wager that Wade will though.

 

[ndanger]

You people make me feel like im taking crazy pills.

[size=+3]Jones average for carries 15+ in a game was 3.5 yards[/size]

All of last season in all those 100 yard games he had that make you think he needs the ball more he was AWFUL after 15 carries. He either gets hot early or not at all.

Just because you shout doesn't mean your right.

 

[ndanger]

Julius Jones games splits:

ATTEMPTS 1-THROUGH-10 - 160 Att for 635 Yards 4.0YPC
ATTEMPTS 11-THROUGH-20 - 90 Att for 400 Yards 4.3YPC
ATTEMPTS 21-THROUGH-30 - 17 Att for 49 Yards 2.9YPC

Those splits shoot a hole in your "He gets hot early, or not at all" argument seeing how carries 11-20 are his best. If he was so hot early, wouldn't 1-10 be his best?

Edit: I'll add another...

1st Half - 151 Att for 618 Yards 4.1YPC
2nd Half - 116 Att for 466 Yards 4.0YPC

Man, he sure is a lot hotter early in games.

Ever think maybe,just maybe, the sorry butted linemen were better early?It's a team sport.You people do realize this right?

 

[superpunk]

I just went to the recap section - there is 54 pages and the PC happened sometime in 2005. I don't remember the week or even if I could get close to the week. I work the graveyard shift and I just got home. I am not spending my morning searching through pages and pages of archived PCs just to prove to you what is common knowledge. If you are so worried about it, go for it. You can't tell me I didn't hear what I sat right there and listened to. And then discussed with quite a few guys on a Cowboys Discussion Board for days.

Hey, it's your point.

If you don't see the need to back it up, I don't see the need to buy it.

Alot of things that are "common knowledge" aren't what we like to call "accurate." Rather, they tend to be twisted depending on how YOU want them to sound. For instance, saying that Parcells told Julius to just "put his head down" sounds alot better (for someone who doesn't like Parcells, and wants to excuse Julius' average career) than what Parcells actually said in that interview. And yes, I do know what he actually said.

No, the Parcells follies has not been exaggerated by me. He acquired some talent. He couldn't coach them to a playoff win. I wager that Wade will though.

I didn't say anything about follies.

I said that all these tales of Parcells "ruining" players is complete horse ****.

 

[CCBoy]

while you are partificating the mathematical probabilities and qualities exhibited with breakdowns between a concensus study group composed of between 10-20 and then even including a study group composed of 20-30 carries, and possibly the additional inclusion of a 30+ category.....

Could you, just for some of us board 'flunkies', add a film analysis of just how spry and energetic that offensive line looks after having to drive block for a total of thirty times a game, against the usual NFL defensive front....rocket science, huh?

Could be a factor in some of those spit-fire statistics being bounced about.... just maybe.

 

[YosemiteSam]

while you are partificating the mathematical probabilities and qualities exhibited with breakdowns between a concensus study group composed of between 10-20 and then even including a study group composed of 20-30 carries, and possibly the additional inclusion of a 30+ category.....

Could you, just for some of us board 'flunkies', add a film analysis of just how spry and energetic that offensive line looks after having to drive block for a total of thirty times a game, against the usual NFL defensive front....rocket science, huh?

Could be a factor in some of those spit-fire statistics being bounced about.... just maybe.

30 rushing attempts a game is normal (even if they arn't all the same person taking the attempts) so you can't toss blame at on offensive line for rushing yards on rushes over X amount if they are within normal parameters. As noted 30 attempts is normal even you are spliting the attempts 15/15 with two backs.

 

[randy932]

Hey, it's your point.

If you don't see the need to back it up, I don't see the need to buy it.

Alot of things that are "common knowledge" aren't what we like to call "accurate." Rather, they tend to be twisted depending on how YOU want them to sound. For instance, saying that Parcells told Julius to just "put his head down" sounds alot better (for someone who doesn't like Parcells, and wants to excuse Julius' average career) than what Parcells actually said in that interview. And yes, I do know what he actually said.



I didn't say anything about follies.

I said that all these tales of Parcells "ruining" players is complete horse ****.

I said that all these tales of Parcells "ruining" players is complete horse ****.

Let's hope your opinion is correct.

 

[TheProphet]

Could someone post the transcripts of these amazing discussions Parcells had with the Dallas media about how he was instructing Julius to be less effective? I ask, because I'd just like to see it in black and white. Or, if you can find a video link, that would be fine too.

Just prove it somehow.

Because I'm not remembering it. Sure, I remember Parcells talk about how he was counseling Julius to stop bringing the safety back into the play, when you've already got him beat, but beyond that, I'm blanking.

So, link to the "Parcells tells Julius Jones I WANT YOU to be average" press conference, please.

L A R G E!

 

[TheProphet]

while you are partificating the mathematical probabilities and qualities exhibited with breakdowns between a concensus study group composed of between 10-20 and then even including a study group composed of 20-30 carries, and possibly the additional inclusion of a 30+ category.....

Could you, just for some of us board 'flunkies', add a film analysis of just how spry and energetic that offensive line looks after having to drive block for a total of thirty times a game, against the usual NFL defensive front....rocket science, huh?

Could be a factor in some of those spit-fire statistics being bounced about.... just maybe.

Excellent point, as always CCBoy. Some guys around here hang their hats on nothing but stats. Bottom line, that all agree on, is to date JuJones has shown us little. Maybe, he's been brainwashed by BP to be a middling back, maybe the OL sucks, maybe the glare of the stadium lights is blinding him, maybe the stars are not lining up correctly or...maybe...just maybe...he is nothing more that what we have seen to date...middling.

 

[superpunk]

I said that all these tales of Parcells "ruining" players is complete horse ****.

Let's hope your opinion is correct.

Let's hope it isn't.

Then all these average players that have so conveniently fallen under the comfy blanket of "Parcells' ruination" might actually have to face the music, and everyone might realize that they are what they have been - average.

And that would be a terrible thing for everyone to have to let go of their delusions of grandeur for one Julius Jones. I know it hurt when I let mine go and started seeing him for what he is. Not good, not bad, just average.

That's probably all Parcells' fault, tho. HOF career and history of winning notwithstanding. The way you backed up your "Julius just put your head down" claim finally won me over.

 

[randy932]

Hey, it's your point.

If you don't see the need to back it up, I don't see the need to buy it.

Alot of things that are "common knowledge" aren't what we like to call "accurate." Rather, they tend to be twisted depending on how YOU want them to sound. For instance, saying that Parcells told Julius to just "put his head down" sounds alot better (for someone who doesn't like Parcells, and wants to excuse Julius' average career) than what Parcells actually said in that interview. And yes, I do know what he actually said.



I didn't say anything about follies.

I said that all these tales of Parcells "ruining" players is complete horse ****.

If you don't see the need to back it up, I don't see the need to buy it.

I wasn't selling anything at all, in fact, I wasn't even talking to you, although, I welcome your input. If you think that I have made a mistake, you could try to politely correct me, I just may agree with you. No need in trying to act like an all-knowing football God, which is how you kinda come across.

BTW - You're right, Parcells' exact words were almost certainly NOT "just put your head down and run into the hole as the play is drawn up." That was merely the meaning. His words were these, or close to these " run into the hole as the play is designed. I'm not going to have a running back that improvises".

 

[randy932]

Let's hope it isn't.

Then all these average players that have so conveniently fallen under the comfy blanket of "Parcells' ruination" might actually have to face the music, and everyone might realize that they are what they have been - average.

And that would be a terrible thing for everyone to have to let go of their delusions of grandeur for one Julius Jones. I know it hurt when I let mine go and started seeing him for what he is. Not good, not bad, just average.

That's probably all Parcells' fault, tho. HOF career and history of winning notwithstanding. The way you backed up your "Julius just put your head down" claim finally won me over.

HOF career and history of winning notwithstanding.

When did he get voted into the HOF? Last I heard, he was nominated, twice, and failed to get in either time. He probably will, but it isn't a lock. His east coast mediabots will get him in though, probably, they love him. As far as his "winning". All I gotta say is yaaayyyy - 34-32 with the Cowboysuke:

 

[zrinkill]

HOF career and history of winning notwithstanding.

When did he get voted into the HOF? Last I heard, he was nominated, twice, and failed to get in either time. He probably will, but it isn't a lock. His east coast mediabots will get him in though, probably, they love him. As far as his "winning". All I gotta say is yaaayyyy - 34-32 with the Cowboysuke:

Come on man ....... saying that Bill Parcells will not be in the HOF is a joke.

 

[superpunk]

If you don't see the need to back it up, I don't see the need to buy it.

I wasn't selling anything at all, in fact, I wasn't even talking to you, although, I welcome your input. If you think that I have made a mistake, you could try to politely correct me, I just may agree with you. No need in trying to act like an all-knowing football God, which is how you kinda come across.

It has nothing to do with being all-knowing.

It has everything to do with having little tolerance for crap that is completely made up, just because of personal feelings about a player or coach (see trade Roy Williams thread for examples). So, things are embellished to make them sound more condemnatory. It also has a little to do with not being interested in having exchanges like this;

"Person X said this, so we know that he feels this way."

"He never said that."

"Yes he did, he totally did."

"Prove it."

"I can't be troubled to prove that."

If you can't prove something, don't bring it up. And if you're going to bring something up, don't embellish it so that it supports your stance, and then dance when asked to back your claim up.

 

[randy932]

Come on man ....... saying that Bill Parcells will not be in the HOF is a joke.

And...just where did I say that he won't get in?

 

[TheProphet]

Come on man ....... saying that Bill Parcells will not be in the HOF is a joke.

He didn't say he would not get in the HOF guy, in fact he said the contrary. I notice a pattern with you - insult and provoke any and all who disagree with you. You really are pathetic. Have you contributed anything to this thread other than your usual insulting BS?

Quite frankly, BP's failure to deliver anything significant in Big D probably hurts his chances. He probably will get in eventually. Time will tell.