Defense Don't Win Championships In Todays NFL

[Proof]

By offensive game I really mean QB.

I shouldn't be so nice about it.

hurts is in the same general ranking as Dak and outperformed Mahomes ...

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

hurts is in the same general ranking as Dak and outperformed Mahomes ...

What ranking are you looking at?

 

[zrinkill]

KC won because their defense scored 7 points and caused the Eagles to kick field goals in the second half allowing Mahomes to finish the game.

 

[Staubacher]

The Chiefs defense gave up 31 points.

The Cowboys defense giving up 31 points is a loss for the Cowboys because Dak probably only gonna get ya 10 in a big game.

Plus you can tack on a score or two to that 31 from Dak's interceptions

 

[Vtwin]

It is bad enough every interception is the quarterback's fault despite what specifically happens during a play. Now turnovers, excuse me, scoring turnovers by the defense do not factor into determining a championship game?

Eagles Jalen Hurts fumbles the ball.

Chiefs Nick Bolton scoops up the loose ball and runs it in for the score.

Turnover = 6 points.

Game's final score: 38-35

Is some people's NEW football supposed to mean how many points total scored and who does the scoring is irrelevant now? It's JUST the quarterback?

This may be the biggest diss of defense meaning anything in a Super Bowl since Malcolm Butler picked off Russell Wilson at the goal line eight years ago. And the ONLY thing some folks vomited from the mouth afterwards was, "TOM BRADY WON AGAIN!"

I don't disagree with your general point but using the fumble/TD play as an example of great defense is a little iffy. The offense put the ball on the ground all by themselves in that case. The defense had the play read, and it would have been a no gain, but I can't give them credit for causing the fumble.

That play was bad offense meets good and opportunistic defense.

That game played out as if the last QB to get the ball wins the game and the MVP.

 

[Proof]

You guys love watching 1 game and making blanket statements that apply to the next 50 years of the nfl

Get a grip

every year, without fail.

 

[CTcowboy203]

Points allowed defensive rankings from 2013-18. Nearly half of the last decade. For this “defense doesn’t win championships” to be true it would have to be incredibly reversed from 18-22 to make OP’s point more than his personal opinion.

This is super bowl winners from 13-18 defense points per game ranking, offensive rankings and the combined ranking of said teams

2013- Seahawks 1st( defense) 4th( offense) & 5th combined
2014-patriots 8 (def), 4(off), 6th (combined)
2015-broncos 4(def), 19th (off) 11.5 (combined)
2016-pats 1 (d) 4(o) 6 (comb)
2017-eagles 4(d) 3 (o) 3(combined)
2018-pats 7,4,5.5.

For defense to not have any impact on championships the numbers would have to be so wild in the opposite direction from 2018-22. If anything this shows…..balance is key. Especially for teams like Dallas that don’t have mvp caliber quarterbacks or generational qbs.

 

[Proof]

What ranking are you looking at?

I'm not. I'm generalizing. Do you have Hurts in the top 10?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I'm not. I'm generalizing. Do you have Hurts in the top 10?

The guy that finished 2nd in the MVP AND just scored 4 TDs in the Super Bowl? That guy?

He's top 5 right now.

Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Herbert
Hurts

 

[Playmaker247]

It's not.

You have to have a QB that you can count on in games like last night.

The Cowboys don't.

How many times in 7 years has Dak lead the Cowboys back after being down 10 points?

Not many, just like every QB in the league no named Mahomes. That’s not a good point. QB’s don’t come back down 10 often at all that’s such a bad point

 

[DallasEast]

I don't disagree with your general point but using the fumble/TD play as an example of great defense is a little iffy. The offense put the ball on the ground all by themselves in that case. The defense had the play read, and it would have been a no gain, but I can't give them credit for causing the fumble.

That play was bad offense meets good and opportunistic defense.

That game played out as if the last QB to get the ball wins the game and the MVP.

I did not state "great defense." Kansas City does not have a great defense. Their defense did recover a turnover and scored with it. That should count as a factor in the final score. And in no way am I discrediting Patrick Mahomes.

 

[Proof]

The guy that finished 2nd in the MVP AND just scored 4 TDs in the Super Bowl? That guy?

He's top 5 right now.

Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Herbert
Hurts

Yes, that guy. We'll just agree to disagree. He had a phenomenal year and I like him, but I don't see this carrying over personally. In any event he outplayed Mahomes despite not being nearly as talented. Lots of prisoner of the moment coming from you right now.

Remember Wentz being an MVP frontrunner, and Nick Foles winning superbowl MVP?

 

[baltcowboy]

One mistake where the defensive capitalized. I agree overall - just hard for others to tell me defense doesn’t win championships when it literally may have in the game we just watched

I think you need playmakers on the defensive end. NFL rules put defenses at a disadvantage. We have two with Parsons and Diggs.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Yes, that guy. We'll just agree to disagree. He had a phenomenal year and I like him, but I don't see this carrying over personally. In any event he outplayed Mahomes despite not being nearly as talented. Lots of prisoner of the moment coming from you right now.

Remember Wentz being an MVP frontrunner, and Nick Foles winning superbowl MVP?

Prisoner of the moment?

He finished 2nd in the MVP voting. That takes the whole season into account.

Wentz was top 5 that season he balled out also.

As of right now today Hurts is a top 5 QB and has been all season.

 

[gtb1943]

The guy that finished 2nd in the MVP AND just scored 4 TDs in the Super Bowl? That guy?

He's top 5 right now.

Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Herbert
Hurts

I would put Hurts above Herbert since Hurts really performed to a very high level in the Biggest Game of all and Herbert has not yet shown that

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I would put Hurts above Herbert since Hurts really performed to a very high level in the Biggest Game of all and Herbert has not yet shown that

I'm fine with that.

Either way you're not going to find any lists this offseason that has Hurts outside of the top 5.

 

[kskboys]

If the Cowboys defense gave up 31 points in a game and the offense scored 10 you'd be whining about the defense giving up 31 points.

That's how Dak fans roll.

This isn't about Dak.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

It is bad enough every interception is the quarterback's fault despite what specifically happens during a play. Now turnovers, excuse me, scoring turnovers by the defense do not factor into determining a championship game?

Eagles Jalen Hurts fumbles the ball.

Chiefs Nick Bolton scoops up the loose ball and runs it in for the score.

Turnover = 6 points.

Game's final score: 38-35

Is some people's NEW football supposed to mean how many points total scored and who does the scoring is irrelevant now? It's JUST the quarterback?

This may be the biggest diss of defense meaning anything in a Super Bowl since Malcolm Butler picked off Russell Wilson at the goal line eight years ago. And the ONLY thing some folks vomited from the mouth afterwards was, "TOM BRADY WON AGAIN!"

And considering that Mahomes is going to be an elite level QB for the next 10+ years in the NFL, any team who has a chance to beat him in the playoffs and Super Bowl is going to have to have a defense which is talented enough to pressure him all game, like the Bucs defense was able to do. Or at least have a capable enough defense to step up in the 2nd half and make a few big time stops against Mahomes led offenses. So even in the scenario of the Cowboys getting rid of Dak and drafting a QB who eventually gets the Cowboys to a Super Bowl, it wouldn't be a good idea for the front office to forgo building a good to elite defense and put all of the pressure on the hypothetical Dak replacement to outshoot Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert or Lawrence, Since these are the QBs the Cowboys are most likely to go against in near future case of those who believe that Dak is the issue and that the Cowboys will be Super Bowl bound once he is gotten rid of. Jalen Hurts scoring 35 wasn't enough, so not sure why anyone who wants the Cowboys to replace Dak, would want the next Cowboys QB playing on a team which doesn't believe defense is important to winning championships.

 

[Ranching]

At the end of the day it's an offensive game, and in todays NFL, a great offense usually beats a great defense.

This isn't the 90s or early 2000's anymore where you could win with great defensive play. You're not allowed to play defense the same way anymore and the game has been geared more towards the offensive side of the ball while more rules have been put in place that make playing defense harder.

These defenses were #1 and #2 in the NFL in sacks and both teams put up at least 30 points.

Jalen Hurts accounted for 4 TDs while Mahomes won the Super Bowl MVP and played lights out. It's a QB game now more so than it's ever been. As Warren Sapp said recently "You train to be within 1 score at the end of the game now and you let your 100 million dollar QB take you home". That's exactly what we saw last night.

A good defense is a great thing to have, but if you don't have the offense then you don't have anything.

Lol....

 

[DallasEast]

This isn't about Dak.

That assessment is funny given to whom you directed your reply.