Defense Don't Win Championships In Todays NFL

[rambo2]

At the end of the day it's an offensive game, and in todays NFL, a great offense usually beats a great defense.

This isn't the 90s or early 2000's anymore where you could win with great defensive play. You're not allowed to play defense the same way anymore and the game has been geared more towards the offensive side of the ball while more rules have been put in place that make playing defense harder.

These defenses were #1 and #2 in the NFL in sacks and both teams put up at least 30 points.

Jalen Hurts accounted for 4 TDs while Mahomes won the Super Bowl MVP and played lights out. It's a QB game now more so than it's ever been. As Warren Sapp said recently "You train to be within 1 score at the end of the game now and you let your 100 million dollar QB take you home". That's exactly what we saw last night.

A good defense is a great thing to have, but if you don't have the offense then you don't have anything.

More words of wisdom from the wonder troll. The 8 win man.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I would put Hurts above Herbert since Hurts really performed to a very high level in the Biggest Game of all and Herbert has not yet shown that

There's this love and infatuation for Herbert and Josh Allen....and for the life of me I don't know why.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Defense doesn't win championships.....


The #Chiefs in the 2nd half: ---0 penalties ---0 turnovers ---0 punts ---0 sacks allowed ---1 incompletion (throw-away)

Yeah that's a good way to lose if your defense allow that lol.

 

[Vtwin]

I did not state "great defense." Kansas City does not have a great defense. Their defense did recover a turnover and scored with it. That should count as a factor in the final score. And in no way am I discrediting Patrick Mahomes.

The thread is about defense winning championships. You and others have pointed to that play as an example of defense winning championships.

I am simply pointing out that the defense was gifted that play by the ineptitude of the offense, which makes it a poor example to use to support the notion that defenses win championships, as a hard and fast rule.

I didn't take anything you wrote as discrediting Mahomes. Not sure why you're bringing that in.

 

[Proof]

Prisoner of the moment?

He finished 2nd in the MVP voting. That takes the whole season into account.

Wentz was top 5 that season he balled out also.

As of right now today Hurts is a top 5 QB and has been all season.

yes prisoner of the moment as in this season. every season players outperform or underperform their relative talent or status. he had a great season where the stars and roster aligned, but grouping him with guys who have consistently done it is kneejerk. theres a reason you have herbert above him still despite his lack of skins, because there is a complete picture. but anyway, regardless the lesser qb had the more impressive performance was the point.

 

[kskboys]

That assessment is funny given to whom you directed your reply.

I absolutely abhor the extreme inanity of turning every thread into a Dak thread.

 

[CTcowboy203]

The thread is about defense winning championships. You and others have pointed to that play as an example of defense winning championships.

I am simply pointing out that the defense was gifted that play by the ineptitude of the offense, which makes it a poor example to use to support the notion that defenses win championships, as a hard and fast rule.

I didn't take anything you wrote as discrediting Mahomes. Not sure why you're bringing that in.

I think it’s more a point of defense is extremely important and can be the deciding factor in a game with 2 great offenses. The defense still had to capitalize on the play. Also the lack of defense by the eagles in the second half was game changing.

It’s more so just reinforcing the fact that even in an offensive league - defense is still incredibly important and plays a large point in championship seasons.

 

[kskboys]

Defense doesn't win championships.....


The #Chiefs in the 2nd half: ---0 penalties ---0 turnovers ---0 punts ---0 sacks allowed ---1 incompletion (throw-away)

Yeah that's a good way to lose if your defense allow that lol.

A lack of D will dammm sure lose it for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You wanted to make an account bet that had nothing to do with the Cowboys.

Why did you leave out how you turned my bet down because you don't really believe in Dak?

You are a Eagles fan. You didn't have the heart to bet on your Eagles.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You are a Eagles fan. You didn't have the heart to bet on your Eagles.

I don't like Dak at all but I feel sorry for anybody that has a bunch of fakes that pretend to support him.

You don't believe in him one single bit. You just like trolling Cowboys fans that want to win with the 1 player you know is the anchor on this team.

 

[StarLord]

I believe CATCH17 made a similar post in the past touting a defense that was just good enough to go along in support of a QB who, if he possessed the talent, could get things done if not all personnel positions were pro bowl caliber.
Don't have that in Dallas.
Last night was a very good Eagles defense but a QB and playcaller that were just one step ahead it seemed.

For my opinion it's easy.
Dak can't beat 4 straight playoff opponents regardless of coach, scheme or personnel support.
He is an extremely poor decision maker with the ball in his hands especially in big games.
No amount of coaching, scheme or personnel support can overcome that.

Definition of a team held hostage by QB purgatory.

Well said. This is also my view. He's not winning 4 games in a row against actual playoff caliber. The end, that's all. Good stats, bad stats, whatever.

 

[kskboys]

How did the Eagles D play in this game? I'd say pretty dang bad is a spot on answer, right?

So, if the Eagles' D plays well, they win. So D does win championships!!!

 

[rambo2]

It looks like Championships are won when the other qb drops the ball and accidentally kicks it to give up a td. I also noticed they are won when the Chiefs lost all of their offensive tackles against the Bucs.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Deflection., Try again lol. Even the biggest Dak haters on this site won't agree with you her but nice try lol.

You fake support him because you think it gets under Cowboys fans skin.

 

[kskboys]

It looks like Championships are won when the other qb drops the ball and accidentally kicks it to give up a td. I also noticed they are won when the Chiefs lost all of their offensive tackles against the Bucs.

Nicely done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

How did the Eagles D play in this game? I'd say pretty dang bad is a spot on answer, right?

So, if the Eagles' D plays well, they win. So D does win championships!!!

The Eagles D actually gave up less points than the Chiefs D lol

 

[kskboys]

The Eagles D actually gave up less points than the Chiefs D lol

Due to a Defensive TD. See, D wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DallasEast]

The thread is about defense winning championships. You and others have pointed to that play as an example of defense winning championships.

I am simply pointing out that the defense was gifted that play by the ineptitude of the offense, which makes it a poor example to use to support the notion that defenses win championships, as a hard and fast rule.

I didn't take anything you wrote as discrediting Mahomes. Not sure why you're bringing that in.

I mentioned Mahomes in order for any reader to reply suggesting I was lessening his impact on the game. It is the OP's main contention that Mahomes' contribution outweighs anything that the defense did last night.

The defense did help win last night as well. Agreed, the defense scored on an easy gift turnover but it did happen. It was not a mirage. And it was neither Kansas City's offense nor Mahomes who tacked those points on the scoreboard.

It is my opinion, which may not be shared with many others, that the 'defense wins championships' analogy will always be applicable if-and-until a Super Bowl is decided by offense alone. No punts. No turnovers. No sacks. No safeties. No interceptions. No pass deflections. No tackles behind the line of scrimmage. Etc.

In other words, the phrase will remain acceptable for me if-and-until the National Football League converts to flag football. I mean, beyond the Pro Bowl that is. lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Due to a Defensive TD. See, D wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE set himself up for that one lol.

 

[Vtwin]

I think it’s more a point of defense is extremely important and can be the deciding factor in a game with 2 great offenses. The defense still had to capitalize on the play. Also the lack of defense by the eagles in the second half was game challenging.

It’s more so just reinforcing the fact that even in an offensive league - defense is still incredibly important and plays a large point in championship seasons.

I agree completely.

I also think that the the old wisdom of defense wins championships has less value then it did in the good old days, when the top dogs are facing off with everything on the line.

Not a Chiefs fan on the planet wanted the Eagles to get the ball back with enough time to do something.