Denver to release Dumervil

[Galian Beast]

You're ignoring reality, he isn't going to stop the run there. They would have to move Ware to the strong side.

Teams don't simply run to one side. This is a fallacy. Regardless of what side he is on, teams are going to run at you. Whether playing Ware strong side or Dumervil, it wouldn't matter. Both are capable of playing strong side, and have been moved to that side before.

Not the point.

 

[Galian Beast]

Trade or not, Spencer is guaranteed 10 million for 2013. FA DEs are going for half that. What team is going to trade for the 10 million price tag? What leverage would a team have to lower the tag?

Spencer is here in 2013. Period. The tag guarantees it.

Signing him to a long term contract is the leverage that teams would have to lower the tag...

Free Agent DEs are going for lower than that because it's a weak class of free agents...

 

[DeaconBlues]

Signing him to a long term contract is the leverage that teams would have to lower the tag...

Free Agent DEs are going for lower than that because it's a weak class of free agents...

That's not leverage. Spencer has not a single reason to settle. He can play out the year and become a FA next year.

 

[Galian Beast]

That's not leverage. Spencer has not a single reason to settle. He can play out the year and become a FA next year.

Why do any players who are franchised not simply play out their tenders and then become free agents the next year?

 

[dadymat]

No, Spencer is costing us 10 million this year, and probably wants upwards of that per year. I'd much rather spend the extra 2 million on Dumervil, not that we would have to pay him 12 million this year (please see Brandon Carr).

Trade Spencer for a 2nd or 3rd (whatever it takes to trade him and get value) and then sign Dumervil to a 12 million a year deal (which is cheap for his skill level). Just needs to be more cap friendly than Mario Williams deal.

id bet he signs long term in the $8mill per area

 

[speedkilz88]

Teams don't simply run to one side. This is a fallacy. Regardless of what side he is on, teams are going to run at you. Whether playing Ware strong side or Dumervil, it wouldn't matter. Both are capable of playing strong side, and have been moved to that side before.

Not the point.

Here is someone who knows nothing about schemes and how they are attacked.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Why do any players who are franchised not simply play out their tenders and then become free agents the next year?

Some do - but most sign a long term contract with a large signing bonus, with only only a relative drop in the franchise tag - 2 or 3 million.

Spencer, or more likely his agent, is viewing the FA signings this offseason, and would be wise not to sign a reduced contract. While the DE pool may be weak, so would Spencer's position outside of Dallas - he has no body of work at the position. There is no reason to believe anyone would offer him a long term contract for more than 5 million a year.

Here's an article on his "fortunate" timing:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/14/free-agent-deals-prove-spencer-melton-were-smart/

Spencer would be lucky to get 10 million just as a signing bonus. I doubt even JJ offers him more than 5 or 6 million per year.

He's much better off pocketing the tag, playing well at DE this year, and dip back into the FA pool next year.

 

[Galian Beast]

id bet he signs long term in the $8mill per area

You think Jerry Jones was offering him MUCH less than 8 million per year? That doesn't make sense.

 

[DeaconBlues]

id bet he signs long term in the $8mill per area

I bet he isn't offered anything close to that number, not with all the FA DEs still looking for work. Even JJ has to see that's not a realistic offer this year.

 

[Galian Beast]

Here is someone who knows nothing about schemes and how they are attacked.

Or you're simply oversimplifying.

Please look at total tackles by strong side defensive ends in a tampa 2. Tell me what you find.

Some do - but most sign a long term contract with a large signing bonus, with only only a relative drop in the franchise tag - 2 or 3 million.

Spencer, or more likely his agent, is viewing the FA signings this offseason, and would be wise not to sign a reduced contract. While the DE pool may be weak, so would Spencer's position outside of Dallas - he has no body of work at the position. There is no reason to believe anyone would offer him a long term contract for more than 5 million a year.

Here's an article on his "fortunate" timing:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/14/free-agent-deals-prove-spencer-melton-were-smart/

Spencer would be lucky to get 10 million just as a signing bonus. I doubt even JJ offers him more than 5 or 6 million per year.

He's much better off pocketing the tag, playing well at DE this year, and dip back into the FA pool next year.

Most players who are franchised are signed to long term contracts before the deadline.

It's one thing to get signing bonus, but depending on how he plays, who knows how much he would get paid long term, especially being 30 rather than 29... His best chance to get the best contract is now, coming off a pro bowl year.

 

[dadymat]

You think Jerry Jones was offering him MUCH less than 8 million per year? That doesn't make sense.

where did I say I thought Jerry was offering him MUCH less than 8 Million a year?

 

[Galian Beast]

where did I say I thought Jerry was offering him MUCH less than 8 Million a year?

Jerry said that what Spencer wanted was MUCH less than he was offering... So if Spencer wants 8 million, logic would follow that Jerry offered MUCH less than 8 million.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Pretty interesting that Denver would want to part ways with him.

 

[Galian Beast]

Pretty interesting that Denver would want to part ways with him.

They are cash strapped and don't want to pay him for his production.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

They are cash strapped and don't want to pay him for his production.

It's a mistake, IMO.

 

[Galian Beast]

It's a mistake, IMO.

Sometimes you need to spread the money to other positions. I've advocated trading Ware for similar reasons. When you tie money into one position and the player doesn't produce, your team isn't going to do well. When you spread the money, you mitigate your risk substantially. Combine that with really good drafting, and I think you can be pretty successful.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

It's a mistake, IMO.

Maybe it is, Maybe it is not.

Either way IF he is released they will have Dwight Freeney in to replace him in a heartbeat.

 

[TheSport78]

Heck, I'd even trade Spencer for a 2nd and put Crawford as the strong side DE.

 

[Bowdown27]

Wow I didn't expect this. Dumervil is a great pass rusher but since spencer signed his tender we can't back track on it now and release him. We'd have to trade him and that other team will have to pay him the tag price if they can't work out a deal. Will never happen. I'd love to have dumervil in the fold but can't happen with spencer back

 

[supercowboy8]

sign this guy!

oh wait we have 0 cap space

We have 10 million if we trade Spencer