Dez asking for 17m a year

[xwalker]

Because a franchise tag tender can't be manipulated to create room for signing guys like Hardy and Crawford.

I would also find it comical if Dallas tagged Bryant again next year and signed Hardy to a lucrative long term deal.

The Cowboys basically took the hit ahead of time to put themselves into position to be able to carry him on the tag. Thay hit was cutting Ware. They could have pushed money forward and kept Ware, but they didn't and now they have room to carry his tag number for two years.

In regards to Hardy or others, keep in mind the 1st year cap hit of Carr's 50M contract was 3.2M. Double that for a 100M contract and it's 6.4M.

If Carr is gone and they restructure Tyron, they will have over 40M in cap space for 2016.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Well, let's wait and see what Damaryius Thomas, Julio Jones, AJ Green, and Alshon Jeffery want.

In the meantime, I would listen to any trade offers for Dez. Just in case.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Was anyone on team bummed when DeMarco left?

Of course, but it's a business.

 

[slick325]

He turns 27 in Nov this year.
After the 2nd tag year he'll be a player that will turn 29 during the season. But yeah, someone might overpay. But it's a pretty safe bet that from that point forward he would be out of the top 10 stats wise.

The age at the date of free agency (especially for players with a late bday) plays a very significant role in negotiations for free agents. Trust me. The fact that he would be three months into his 28th year on Earth when he becomes a free agent will benefit Dez or any client I represent or represented.

Bottom line is this, the Cowboys brass has tipped their hand that they are prepared to give Dez $28mil in guaranteed money over two seasons. So if I'm negotiating with them of course I start near $40mil in guarantees. That figure is $12mil more than what you're willing to pay for two seasons, except this amount can be spread out via a long term deal. If Dallas doesn't believe he will sustain his ability and doesn't think $40mil guaranteed is wise...then I ask them to place language in the tender that prevents them from tagging Dez in 2016 allowing him to test the market. Should they decline to do so, then the business of football takes over and my client sits out TC and signs the tender for the next two seasons the day before the 1st game of the season.

It's business and the Jones family definitely want to keep Dez. No way they want him on the market. Trust me.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Franchise him for 2 years, let him walk and then sign both Josh Gordan and Justin Blackmon who may be eligible to be reinstated back into the NFL by 2017.

Dallas just needs to be patient. No way are they going to pay that much. Dez knows this. His number will come down. The Cowboys just need to wait it out or stick to the plan with the two year franchise tag.

That's an important point.

There will be other good WR's available IF Dez became a free agent after the '16 season.

 

[remdak]

He's NEGOTIATING. He's supposed to start high. He'd be crazy to start low. No team gives a player what they are asking for. Hell...it's like that in life if you've ever negotiated.

I agree. I've got no problem with $17MM if that is the starting point for the negotiations. If Dez will take no less than this, then I say let him walk. But, I doubt that's the case. I bet people would probably be upset if Romo's original offer to the Cowboys before his last extension was made public. It was probably some outrageous number that was above and beyond any QB in the league. But, they still settled on a very generous deal that wasn't too bad given the market for QB's

 

[Amy50632]

Gosselin: Dez wants to be paid like Larry and Calvin, but should Cowboys make the gamble?
http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...calvin-but-should-cowboys-make-the-gamble.ece

"But Bryant doesn’t want the franchise tag. He wants a long-term deal worth upwards of $100 million with a large chunk of it guaranteed. Johnson was guaranteed $60 million and Fitzgerald $50 million. The Cowboys could shower those same riches on Bryant and in all likelihood love his 2015 season when he’s 27 and his 2016 season when he’s 28. But does he too fall off the cliff when he turns 29?"

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Gosselin: Dez wants to be paid like Larry and Calvin, but should Cowboys make the gamble?
http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...calvin-but-should-cowboys-make-the-gamble.ece

"But Bryant doesn’t want the franchise tag. He wants a long-term deal worth upwards of $100 million with a large chunk of it guaranteed. Johnson was guaranteed $60 million and Fitzgerald $50 million. The Cowboys could shower those same riches on Bryant and in all likelihood love his 2015 season when he’s 27 and his 2016 season when he’s 28. But does he too fall off the cliff when he turns 29?"

I like this part of the article:

"No one anticipated the dramatic decline of Johnson and Fitzgerald, certainly not the Lions and Cardinals. And the Cowboys have a history of giving bad contracts to wide receivers. See Roy Williams and Miles Austin."

 

[Amy50632]

I like this part of the article:

"No one anticipated the dramatic decline of Johnson and Fitzgerald, certainly not the Lions and Cardinals. And the Cowboys have a history of giving bad contracts to wide receivers. See Roy Williams and Miles Austin."

I also liked this part.

"The Cowboys gave Williams a $54 million deal in 2008 at the age of 27 and he never caught more than 40 passes in any of his three seasons in Dallas. The Cowboys also gave Austin $54 million contract extension in 2010 at the age of 26 and he was done by the time he was 29, catching only 24 passes."

 

[DFWJC]

The age at the date of free agency (especially for players with a late bday) plays a very significant role in negotiations for free agents. Trust me. The fact that he would be three months into his 28th year on Earth when he becomes a free agent will benefit Dez or any client I represent or represented.

Bottom line is this, the Cowboys brass has tipped their hand that they are prepared to give Dez $28mil in guaranteed money over two seasons. So if I'm negotiating with them of course I start near $40mil in guarantees. That figure is $12mil more than what you're willing to pay for two seasons, except this amount can be spread out via a long term deal. If Dallas doesn't believe he will sustain his ability and doesn't think $40mil guaranteed is wise...then I ask them to place language in the tender that prevents them from tagging Dez in 2016 allowing him to test the market. Should they decline to do so, then the business of football takes over and my client sits out TC and signs the tender for the next two seasons the day before the 1st game of the season.

It's business and the Jones family definitely want to keep Dez. No way they want him on the market. Trust me.

Isn't Dez already available for two future #1s?

 

[AsthmaField]

Thomas, Green, Jones, etc. are going through the same situation as Dez, and their fan base and the media isn't going through all this crap.

Dallas is just big news no matter what. In the end I don't think Dez is going to want anything crazy and him and those other guys are going to get it done eventually.

This is just an offseason story that is making news when there is no other news to be had. The sharks (media) are just circling the victim.

Like I said earlier, there are a ton of people who love to see discord in Dallas... particularly when things have been so quiet and they look like such a well run organization these days. A lot of those people are in the media and they'll perpetuate a negative Dallas story like this for all it's worth. And that is if they aren't manufacturing the drama themselves and flat out reporting unsubstantiated rumors.

We've all seen this a million times. It shouldn't faze Cowboy fans at all.

 

[AsthmaField]

Isn't Dez already available for two future #1s?

I know that is how the franchise tag used to work... I'm not sure about it since the new collective bargaining agreement in 2011 though.

 

[DFWJC]

I also liked this part.

"The Cowboys gave Williams a $54 million deal in 2008 at the age of 27 and he never caught more than 40 passes in any of his three seasons in Dallas. The Cowboys also gave Austin $54 million contract extension in 2010 at the age of 26 and he was done by the time he was 29, catching only 24 passes."

Historically, a steady decline in production actually starts right about now for someone Dez' age.
There are exceptions.

 

[ftghb]

lmao, he can hold out for the rest of the year, there's no way he's getting that kind of money

 

[conner01]

Which is why I'm speculating about the "skipping games" rumor. Does the team want to pay commit $12M to a guy who may not show up?

If he sets out they don't have to pay
It costs them nothing
If he tries to become a distraction then you suspend him
He has no leverage
Sit and lose the year which means he is in the same spot next year
I suspect this is a game by his agent but time will tell
I'm betting a deal gets done and it won't be 17 mil
Personally I'm not concerned about the yearly average
To me what's important is a deal you can walk away from with little cap impact in 3 or 4 years and a structure that allows you to keep the core of this young online together

 

[gmoney112]

Well this explains why there isn't a whole lot of negotiations going on, there has to be some give and take, doesn't sound like Dez's camp is concerned about that.

If his agent came at with me a 17 million figure, i'd pack my things, counter with the league minimum, and tell them we'd approach the subject again a week before the deadline. Until then, Dez is going to remain tagged, and he can choose to sign it and participate or not.

It's just pretty asinine it's this late in negotiations and they're still harping on this albatross of a figure. Dez deserves to get his value, but his agent expecting that kind of contract this late in the game is eye-roll worthy.

Love to have Dez, and want him happy, but not ahead of the team, and that's exactly what that kind of cap figure does. Unless it's a QB, you don't spend that % of your cap on one player, it's bad business.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I also liked this part.

"The Cowboys gave Williams a $54 million deal in 2008 at the age of 27 and he never caught more than 40 passes in any of his three seasons in Dallas. The Cowboys also gave Austin $54 million contract extension in 2010 at the age of 26 and he was done by the time he was 29, catching only 24 passes."

That's another valid point.

The challenge in all this is that based on all sorts of data that's out there, Dez has a window of being a truly elite, dominant WR for probably 3 more years.

NOW, that doesn't mean he's going to go to crap after that, because he won't. But he won't be a $15 mil per season guy either.

Say you paid him as being elite for 3 seasons...

Season 1: $15 mil
Season 2: $15 mil
Season 3: $15 mil

OK now his elite years are over with... now what?

If you want to do the goofy thing you continue to pay him $15 mil per season for another 4 seasons. That's $105 mil over 7 years.

But if you're paying him for what his actual worth is, it's probably more like:

Season 4: $10 mil
Season 5: $8 mil
Season 6: $6 mil
Season 7: $4 mil

That's $73 mil over 7 years.

 

[slick325]

Isn't Dez already available for two future #1s?

He hasn't signed his tender so he isn't under contract currently.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who cares what the total value of a non-guaranteed contract? It's been widely reported that he is seeking ~40m guaranteed. That is the important part.

 

[DFWJC]

He hasn't signed his tender so he isn't under contract currently.

True
But he's not a free agent. Once the tender is offered it protects the franchise in the short term-- other teams can't just offer him a contract (and he accept it) without fairly large compensation to Dallas.