Dez creating more separation this year

[ajk23az]

Same separation per target as Julio Jones this year was one thing I noticed.

AND equal or better than Mike Evans, Michael Thomas, Golden Tate, Hopkins, Gronk, Kelvin Benjamin, Demaryius Thomas, Alshon Jeffery....

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Um, yay?

Maybe because the offensive coordinator continues to think that throwing 50-50 balls inside the 5-yard line is a good play?

He's also 43rd in receiving yardage despite being tied for 9th in targets.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/receiving-targeted

So are you really saying Dak hasn't missed Dez on at least a handful of open throws?

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

I don’t care what scheme he’s playing in and who’s throwing the ball. 97th for the amount of money he gets paid is unacceptable

You're being silly. He's ranked a little behind OBJ, even with Julio Jones and Mike Evans and ahead of guys like Gronk, DeAndre Hopkins and Demaryius Thomas. Are their rankings also unacceptable for the amount they are paid or are you maybe trying a bit too hard to throw shade on Dez?

 

[Stash]

So are you really saying Dak hasn't missed Dez on at least a handful of open throws?

No, I don't deal in absolutes. Dak has missed some throws too.

But the sad fact is that all of the shut-down corners that Dez Bryant has faced have done exactly that - shut him down.

He's far from earning anything close to what he's being paid and it's time people admit it. And admit that he's not the top 10 receiver and threat that some continue. Our #1 receiver is averaging a little over 50 yards a game. That's hardly #1 production.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

No, I don't deal in absolutes. Dak has missed some throws too.

But the sad fact is that all of the shut-down corners that Dez Bryant has faced have done exactly that - shut him down.

He's far from earning anything close to what he's being paid and it's time people admit it. And admit that he's not the top 10 receiver and threat that some continue. Our #1 receiver is averaging a little over 50 yards a game. That's hardly #1 production.

Well if you grant that there are at least a few missed connection that were Dak's fault, then your stat about 43rd in rec ydg and 9th in targets is a little skewed.

 

[Stash]

So you blame Dez for the amount of catchable balls that come his way?

I'm "blame" Dez for not being a better receiver.

For not coming close to earning his paycheck.

For not being the threat he's being paid to be.

For not being engaged in every play or running every route the way it's drawn up.

For not knowing more routes than the few he does, and not bothering to continue to learn.

Those I "blame" him for.

 

[Stash]

Well if you grant that there are at least a few missed connection that were Dak's fault, then your stat about 43rd in rec ydg and 9th in targets is a little skewed.

It's accurate. Those are the actual numbers. Not the maybe numbers. And not the if only numbers. Those numbers are what's actually happening. Everything else is a buncha would, coulda, shoulda. Just like those who want to talk about how this team "could be" 5-1. It's loser talk.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

No, I don't deal in absolutes. Dak has missed some throws too.

But the sad fact is that all of the shut-down corners that Dez Bryant has faced have done exactly that - shut him down.

He's far from earning anything close to what he's being paid and it's time people admit it. And admit that he's not the top 10 receiver and threat that some continue. Our #1 receiver is averaging a little over 50 yards a game. That's hardly #1 production.

Paul Warfield is in the HOF. He had one 1,000 yard season. His avg. number of receptions per season was 33. My point with Warfield is you have to take the style of offense into consideration.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

It's accurate. Those are the actual numbers. Not the maybe numbers. And not the if only numbers. Those numbers are what's actually happening. Everything else is a buncha would, coulda, shoulda. Just like those who want to talk about how this team "could be" 5-1. It's loser talk.

But skewed, nonetheless.

 

[Stash]

Calling BS here. He would definitely produce more in a different offensive scheme. He isn't putting up huge numbers, because we just don't pass like other teams. Nearly a 50/50 split on runs and passes.

Dak averages probably like 230 yards per game, and spreads the ball around a lot. If Dez was in a pass-heavy offense like GB (with Rodgers), Atlanta, or New England, he'd be putting up elite numbers.

Call whatever "BS" you want.

But the real "BS" is making excuses.

The fact is that Bryant is tied for 9th in targets so he's getting more than enough opportunity to produce, he's simply not producing with those opportunities. Those are the facts. The rest is "BS".

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/receiving-targeted

 

[Stash]

Paul Warfield is in the HOF. He had one 1,000 yard season. His avg. number of receptions per season was 33. My point with Warfield is you have to take the style of offense into consideration.

Seriously? You're going to reach for this as some attempted excuse now?

That's embarrassing.

 

[Stash]

But skewed, nonetheless.

What's "skewed" are your sensibilities if you're trying to defend this level of production.

 

[Stash]

Cole Beasley has 16 catches for 133 yard on the season.
I guess he is terrible also.
And people want to talk about how much talent Dak has around him.

Is Beasley 5th at his position in salary?

Has he ever been talked bout as a top 10 receiver?

Talk to me when he is.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

What's "skewed" are your sensibilities if you're trying to defend this level of production.

I'm using your own stat. Just pointing out its limitations. I thought you didn't deal in absolutes?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

AND equal or better than Mike Evans, Michael Thomas, Golden Tate, Hopkins, Gronk, Kelvin Benjamin, Demaryius Thomas, Alshon Jeffery....

Maybe we can put to rest that Dez is horrible at his job?

Also it appears from week 9-17 last year that Dak had a 117 qb rating on throws to Dez (thanks @percyhoward). So was Dez washed up then or did that just happen this offseason? Or maybe it's early and we should chill out?

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

What's "skewed" are your sensibilities if you're trying to defend this level of production.

So you resort to a personal attack when I point out a flaw in your logic?

 

[Stash]

I'm using your own stat. Just pointing out its limitations. I thought you didn't deal in absolutes?

The stats are what they say they are. It's you who's trying to "skew" everything to fit an agenda.

And failing.

Absolutely.

 

[Stash]

So you resort to a personal attack when I point out a flaw in your logic?

The only thing you've "pointed out" is that you can't handle the truth of how things are.

And since when is showing that your sensibilities are "skewed" a personal attack? They clearly are. And you brought that word into this conversation. That's why it's in quotes. Quoting you.

 

[superonyx]

Is Beasley 5th at his position in salary?

Has he ever been talked bout as a top 10 receiver?

Talk to me when he is.

Julio Jones is. Is he awful now also.
He is the same as Dez on this list of separation.
What about Demaryius Thomas?
Alshon Jefferies?
Deandre Hopkins?

I guess they are all horrible now.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

The stats are what they say they are. It's you who's trying to "skew" everything to fit an agenda.

And failing.

Absolutely.

You are failing to admit that your selected stats don't fully support your position in this instance. But by all means, blame me.