Dez creating more separation this year

[Stash]

I've got plenty of issues. Dez's salary isn't one. Your issue is you can't admit when you're wrong. Not that you are wrong about Dez being overpaid - he might be - but that you certainly haven't proven so.

If you name somewhere where I was "wrong", you'd have a point.

You can't and won't.

I presented his actual numbers, and the lack thereof. It is you who then wants to dive into the grey area where "maybe it's this" or "maybe it's that"

I presented the facts that you and the other fans can't handle.

Go tell the league statisticians and cap sites how "wrong" they are.

 

[aikemirv]

There's the white flag!

Your right, I give up arguing with you because you think that each player determines his own stats and is out there by himself!

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

If you name somewhere where I was "wrong", you'd have a point.

You can't and won't.

I presented his actual numbers, and the lack thereof. It is you who then wants to dive into the grey area where "maybe it's this" or "maybe it's that"

I presented the facts that you and the other fans can't handle.

Go tell the league statisticians and cap sites how "wrong" they are.

You lack context. That is where you are wrong and I've proven such.

 

[Stash]

You lack context. That is where you are wrong and I've proven such.

Nice. More cliche and grey area ******** in the absence of relevant facts and numbers.

That's all you've brought here. Nothing more.

The only thing you've "proven" is that your fandom has overrun your reasoning centers. Great job of that.

 

[superonyx]

Here's just one, from the guy who has take his lunch money for the last two years:

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...-janoris-jenkins-dez-bryant-route-shot-020917

The only eyes you can cover are your own.

You just continue to sound foolish.
So a CB says he knows all the routes Dez will run and this somehow means Dez isn't capable of learning more routes...
Wow you are reaching.
You would be better off just saying you are making crap up to support your agenda than to keep trying to prove what cant be proven.
Or does this quote from Janoris Jenkins say Dez cant run the routes that are drawn up for him?
Your all over the place trying to save face on this one.

 

[NeonDeion21]

Separation, along with cushion and speed, is measured by chips in every players' shoulder pads. It's something the NFL has been tracking the past two seasons.

 

[superonyx]

You lack context. That is where you are wrong and I've proven such.

It wont matter with this guy.
Look at this thread and for the last 3 pages he took over spouting nonsense. He isn't interesting in dialog. He operates under the idea that the last word means he somehow wins.
I play with him every once in a while when I am bored at work.
Your logic will be countered with goofy pics ect.

 

[Stash]

You just continue to sound foolish.
So a CB says he knows all the routes Dez will run and this somehow means Dez isn't capable of learning more routes...
Wow you are reaching.
You would be better off just saying you are making crap up to support your agenda than to keep trying to prove what cant be proven.
Or does this quote from Janoris Jenkins say Dez cant run the routes that are drawn up for him?
Your all over the place trying to save face on this one.

Yeah, relatedly supported my position with facts and numbers and now I've taken you to school yet again by shoving a clear example of exactly what I was talking about in your face.

But as usual, you can't even admit when you're wrong on this yet again.

The only "agenda" here is yours. A fan who wants to blind themselves to an inconvenient truth about their favorite football team. Choosing instead to "shoot the messenger".

You can't dispute a single fact I've presented here. Deal with it.

 

[Stash]

It wont matter with this guy.
Look at this thread and for the last 3 pages he took over spouting nonsense. He isn't interesting in dialog. He operates under the idea that the last word means he somehow wins.
I play with him every once in a while when I am bored at work.
Your logic will be countered with goofy pics ect.

Or facts that neither he, nor obviously you, can handle.

Get back to the grill!

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Or facts that neither he, nor obviously you, can handle.

Get back to the grill!

So that's your argument? I can't handle the facts. You may want to re-read the past few pages of this thread. Pot, kettle. Mr. "I don't deal in absolutes" but "my stats are absolute"

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

you'll find stash's remains behind this building

 

[superonyx]

Yeah, relatedly supported my position with facts and numbers and now I've taken you to school yet again by shoving a clear example of exactly what I was talking about in your face.

But as usual, you can't even admit when you're wrong on this yet again.

The only "agenda" here is yours. A fan who wants to blind themselves to an inconvenient truth about their favorite football team. Choosing instead to "shoot the messenger".

You can't dispute a single fact I've presented here. Deal with it.

No one can..Because you have not presented any facts. You just spout off stupid crap that you make up about Dez not being able to learn routes or other stupid stuff not worth repeating.
Then when asked to prove what you say you fail to.

The shame with you is that I believe you do possess some football knowledge. You just get all amped up to fight with anyone who doesn't agree with you that the parts of your points that could be valid get lost in the weirdness that is you.

But hey... I do get a kick out of you at least.

 

[superonyx]

you'll find stash's remains behind this building

That is awesome...
Well played.

 

[bodi]

to be fair I still don't think he has ever recovered from that foot injury

Jones announced to USA Today Sports that Bryant "received a therapeutic injection in Colorado on Friday in an effort to bolster his healing from a fractured right foot," according to Jarrett Bell of USAToday.com.

"There is not a concern about his progress," Jones said. "The fact that he can do that [injection therapy] is a positive. This was not something to address something that was a surprise or anything. It was something to get him some additional strength."

Bell also noted "the procedure involved Bryant having bone marrow stem cells removed from his hip and injected into his ankle, a person with knowledge of the case told USA Today Sports. The person requested anonymity because they are not supposed to talk about Bryant's condition."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...cted-to-miss-1012-weeks-because-of-bone-graft

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Show me where "everybody" is getting paid Top 5 for their position. As soon as you do that, I'll pull up whatever other "numbers" you need to see.

And that right there is why your “analysis” is oversimplified and misguided.

You’re trying to look at Dez’s stats in relation to his salary without ANY context, specifically, the type of offense he’s in.

If Dez’s stats remained what they are but Beasley, T-Will, etc. numbers were elevated you maybe would have a point. BUT THEY AREN’T.

Which is exactly why you don’t wanna look at the other numbers which bring everything into context.

 

[Stash]

No one can..Because you have not presented any facts. You just spout off stupid crap that you make up about Dez not being able to learn routes or other stupid stuff not worth repeating.
Then when asked to prove what you say you fail to.

So you're going to try to gloss over the direct quotes from Janoris Jenkins that prove exactly what I said?

You know that everybody else can read these posts, right?

The shame with you is that I believe you do possess some football knowledge. You just get all amped up to fight with anyone who doesn't agree with you that the parts of your points that could be valid get lost in the weirdness that is you.

But hey... I do get a kick out of you at least.

I hope you get the same "kick" out of being proven wrong at each and every turn. And then, somehow, inexplicably saying "the other guy has failed to prove his point"?

You have a great knack for that.

 

[Stash]

So that's your argument? I can't handle the facts. You may want to re-read the past few pages of this thread. Pot, kettle. Mr. "I don't deal in absolutes" but "my stats are absolute"

The stats are "absolute" genius. They say exactly what they say. No opinion, no bias, no woulda, coulda, shoulda. They have no dog in the hunt, or fandom clouding things either way. They're as neutral as Switzerland.

People attack them because they don't say what they want them to say, like you've tried to do.

My "absolute" reference was with regard to things being "absolutely" Bryant's fault and conceding some small measure of circumstances. But I guess you once again got things twisted? Or maybe it's yet another straw grasped for?

 

[Stash]

And that right there is why your “analysis” is oversimplified and misguided.

You’re trying to look at Dez’s stats in relation to his salary without ANY context, specifically, the type of offense he’s in.

If Dez’s stats remained what they are but Beasley, T-Will, etc. numbers were elevated you maybe would have a point. BUT THEY AREN’T.

Which is exactly why you don’t wanna look at the other numbers which bring everything into context.

Tell me then Mr Excusemaker, exactly what "type of offense" is Dez Bryant in? How does it affect or limit him vs his contemporaries? What are the specific causes for his failure in production?

It's obvious that you're hung-ho to make excuses for it, so the floor is yours.

State your case Counselor!

 

[superonyx]

So you're going to try to gloss over the direct quotes from Janoris Jenkins that prove exactly what I said?

You know that everybody else can read these posts, right?




I hope you get the same "kick" out of being proven wrong at each and every turn. And then, somehow, inexplicably saying "the other guy has failed to prove his point"?

You have a great knack for that.

Sorry man. I'm bored with you now.
I have some real work to get done. I've had my fun for the day making you look foolish again.
Thanks for the comedic relief again.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

The stats are "absolute" genius. They say exactly what they say. No opinion, no bias, no woulda, coulda, shoulda. They have no dog in the hunt, or fandom clouding things either way. They're as neutral as Switzerland.

People attack them because they don't say what they want them to say, like you've tried to do.

My "absolute" reference was with regard to things being "absolutely" Bryant's fault and conceding some small measure of circumstances. But I guess you once again got things twisted? Or maybe it's yet another straw grasped for?

And any amateur statistician will tell you that stats don't mean anything without context