Dez getting in fights misguided leadership? Another Dez thread **merged**

[Doomsday101]

Yah, I think he does show good leadership. Just not in this instance. Maybe that is just a little to negative for you. Oh well, just another thing for you to cry about.

You claim him as poor leadership now he has leadership? whatever I think you are confusing yourself as much as you are the rest of us. Dez clearly is a leader on this team. In the 90's we had leaders like Irvin, Troy and Emmitt yet personality wise very different yet all leaders in their own right.

The camp fights are nothing new to the NFL, evidently you feel the need to single out Dez on an issue that has been around as long as football has been around.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You claim him as poor leadership now he has leadership? whatever I think you are confusing yourself as much as you are the rest of us. Dez clearly is a leader on this team. In the 90's we had leaders like Irvin, Troy and Emmitt yet personality wise very different yet all leaders in their own right.

The camp fights are nothing new to the NFL, evidently you feel the need to single out Dez on an issue that has been around as long as football has been around.

Nope, I have been quite clear. Love Dez and his passion, I just dont think getting into fights shows good leadership in this instance. Good leader in other ways.

I don't feel the need to single out anyone. Simply bringing up a concern, which from the news and comments, apparently other people share.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You claim him as poor leadership now he has leadership? whatever I think you are confusing yourself as much as you are the rest of us. Dez clearly is a leader on this team. In the 90's we had leaders like Irvin, Troy and Emmitt yet personality wise very different yet all leaders in their own right.

The camp fights are nothing new to the NFL, evidently you feel the need to single out Dez on an issue that has been around as long as football has been around.

http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...g-what-has-become-serious-issue-for-nfl.html/

A QB got his jaw broken and is out for 10 weeks. Virtually ruining their season and hindering his young career.

Who cares, its football!!!

 

[Doomsday101]

http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...g-what-has-become-serious-issue-for-nfl.html/

A QB got his jaw broken and is out for 10 weeks. Virtually ruining their season and hindering his young career.

Who cares, its football!!!

Yes and it had nothing to do with football, HC of the Jets even said it was not football related, some type of argument in the locker room that got out of control.

 

[KJJ]

Michael Irvin was the same way, the only difference is that there was no social media back then...people need to calm down.

Irvin didn't have issues with anger resulting in having to undergo anger management. I don't remember him getting into fist fights with teammates or opposing players. He had his issues but controlling his temper wasn't one of them.

 

[Doomsday101]

Eyewitnesses told the Daily News that Geno Smith was "was up in (IK Enemkpali’s) face and pointed/touched his face" and "deserved it."
Sources told the New York Post that Enemkpali was furious at Smith for failing to reimburse the $600 that the linebacker shelled out for airline tickets and limos for Smith to attend a July 11 football camp for kids. Geno backed out a few days before the event due to the death of his brother's best friend. Regardless of the circumstances, breaking the starting quarterback's jaw in two places is never warranted. Although it seems some in the Jets' locker room don't see it that way. "That’ll get a man hit every time, especially one that hasn’t earned respect," a source said about the finger pointing.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/8326/geno-smith

 

[Primetime42]

Irvin didn't have issues with anger resulting in having to undergo anger management. I don't remember him getting into fist fights with teammates or opposing players. He had his issues but controlling his temper wasn't one of them.

Everett McIver would disagree.

Hell, anyone he played those basketball games with would disagree.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yes and it had nothing to do with football, HC of the Jets even said it was not football related, some type of argument in the locker room that got out of control.

So two football players fighting has nothing to do with football eh? Whatever you say.

 

[tyke1doe]

I dont even mind if he gets fined or misses a half .....

Dez is one of the best things to happen to this franchise in awhile.

Go ahead and fight. Go ahead and yell and scream.......As long as he brings it on gameday. Which he does.

This franchise is going to need a little ummmmph to get back to winning....

Dez is that ummmphhh. Wouldnt change a thing about Dez. We are lucky to have him.

But if he misses a half, you won't have him available on game day.

 

[Doomsday101]

So two football players fighting has nothing to do with football eh? Whatever you say.

It had to do with money owed, that according to those who were there. Comparing that to the heat of battle on the football field is completely different but again I'm sure you can't figure that out.

 

[DallasEast]

My goal is to talk to other Cowboy fans about the team. I could care less about anyones avatar.

It's "I could not care less" Rowdy. Your phrase says that you DO care.

 

[Primetime42]

So two football players fighting has nothing to do with football eh? Whatever you say.

It literally had nothing to do with football. The only "football" aspect of it was teammates in the locker room giving Enemkpali a hard time with "he ain't paid you yet?" jokes. Dude just snapped.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Eyewitnesses told the Daily News that Geno Smith was "was up in (IK Enemkpali’s) face and pointed/touched his face" and "deserved it."
Sources told the New York Post that Enemkpali was furious at Smith for failing to reimburse the $600 that the linebacker shelled out for airline tickets and limos for Smith to attend a July 11 football camp for kids. Geno backed out a few days before the event due to the death of his brother's best friend. Regardless of the circumstances, breaking the starting quarterback's jaw in two places is never warranted. Although it seems some in the Jets' locker room don't see it that way. "That’ll get a man hit every time, especially one that hasn’t earned respect," a source said about the finger pointing.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/8326/geno-smith

I have to agree. And I believe it goes back to what a poor leader Geno is. Even though he didnt throw the punch. As the QB, you always have to take the high road. If other players dont respect you, that is a problem.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It's "I could not care less" Rowdy. Your phrase says that you DO care.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It literally had nothing to do with football. The only "football" aspect of it was teammates in the locker room giving Enemkpali a hard time with "he ain't paid you yet?" jokes. Dude just snapped.

So two brothers getting in a fight has nothing to do with family? Cmon, we are splitting hairs here.

 

[tyke1doe]

You want his fired up attitude? You take everything that comes with it. This is Dez. It feels like you read this every offseason about Dez on this site. This is who Dez is. Its been 5 or 6 years at this point. Its what you get. And any true Cowboy fan who has seen how this team responds to Dez shouldn't have a problem with it.

Dez backs up his talk with his play on that field.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say we have to take "everything that comes with it." Dez has to learn how to control his passion if it leads to anger that gets him suspended.

As far as I'm concerned, he's learning. He could have gone off on DeAngelo Hall but didn't. He could have been more demonstrative on the no-catch call in Green Bay but kept himself calm.

So I say he knows he has to control himself, and I think he will when it counts. But I don't ever want to give the impression that we need to take everything that comes with Dez. Even he knows that's not acceptable.

 

[Doomsday101]

I have to agree. And I believe it goes back to what a poor leader Geno is. Even though he didnt throw the punch. As the QB, you always have to take the high road. If other players dont respect you, that is a problem.

But again it was not football related. It was a personal issue between 2 guys that is not what Dez has done, to use Geno incident as it is somehow the same is way off base.

 

[KJJ]

That was a game in which the lions came back from a huge deficit and won. He had a right to be mad then. We had a team that was quite comfortable with losing in those days. We had a team that let this be acceptable behavior:


Losing a game to a divisional rival and right after getting an autograph from the opposing team's QB.
I don't condone or encourage fighting, but I do give Dez props for sticking up for his teammate, or do we need a situation like where Golden Tate knocked Sean Lee down and taunted and NOBODY did anything?

Why was he shouting at Jason Witten one of the leaders on the team? Dez was obviously in the wrong because Ware came up to him and told him in a very firm manner to knock it off. Dez stormed off visibly angry but claimed it was passion. Anger and passion are two different things and although Dez is a passionate player he also has anger issues that have required counselling. I'm fine with him sticking up for his teammates but he was talking trash before anything happened with his teammate. One guy is trying to tell me fights don't break out from talking trash but words especially disrespectful words can stir the pot and set the tone for a fight especially in football where contact is involved.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It literally had nothing to do with football. The only "football" aspect of it was teammates in the locker room giving Enemkpali a hard time with "he ain't paid you yet?" jokes. Dude just snapped.

Correct, two football players fighting in a football locker room after a football practice.

 

[Doomsday101]

So two brothers getting in a fight has nothing to do with family? Cmon, we are splitting hairs here.

No it is not the same. I take it you never played the game in your life. Fights on the football field are common they happen at every level of the game always have always will. Locker room argument over something outside of the game where 2 guys get into a fight has nothing to do with the game.