Dez may hold out multiple games-Tom Condon

[Tabascocat]

The following is MY speculation:

I do feel bad for Dez. He appears to be not the brightest in the bunch and I am sure there are several people pulling him in all different directions. He doesn't know who to listen to and is very influenced.......not sure whoever is influencing him the most is the right one.

Most are are concerned with themselves and how much that they can line their pockets with. No one cares what Dez wants really and he is being taken advantage of. He doesn't have the intellect to make the best decision

I hope it all turns out well for him, us and the team......

With that said, I want in no way for our team to be held hostage over a contract that high, if true. Tag him twice, hope he plays and let him go elsewhere and bring in a new #1.......not a TWill type but a highly touted WR.

I love his passion, ability and athleticism but the team can't afford to pay a salary like that and not suffer in other areas. I expect the Jones's to throw a respectable offer at him at the last minute and if Dez/agents reject that one.........it might not be worth the headache to continue on with him.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

This is a tough one. Dez is probably top 3 right now. And in his prime.

E. Smith sat out a few games, but that was after a SB!

And as much as I like Dez, I don't think he is the leader that M. Irvin was....yeah there are similarities, but Irvin was a true leader. I am not sure I put Dez in that category just yet.

I think he will be on the field Game one, NY. But how much of camp is he going to miss? I dont know, I am not sure if camp is important to a guy like Dez at this point, but for team chemistry and timing, a few weeks would be nice. Instead of reporting sat, playing sun.

None of it will matter if they win. Now if they start losing games, then this stuff will become important. Its like Romo and Witten in Cabo. They win, no one says anything......

I didnt like that move either by those two. Do that stuff after the season.

 

[KJJ]

Excellent post.

You should have waited at least 24 hours before backing him because it just got you eliminated with him. I'm eliminating everyone who's piggybacking with him and the other disgruntled poster. It doesn't take much of a pair to handle opinions here but some just can't handle mine. I know you don't care if I cross you out you've made that obvious the past few days. I'm fine if someone has issues with me and my opinions but if they're going to rub it in my face every day supporting every insult/slam against me I don't care to see their posts. You made up your mind a few days ago after being frustrated during a discussion that you can't handle our differing views and decided to steer away from football and make it personal. You saw the post from the guy that got so frustrated over a few comments one of which damaged his credibility it caused him to fall apart like a house of cards. lol

Only a few posters can handle debates with me and I enjoy bantering with them because I know they can maintain their composure and keep our disagreements civil. All the mods handle debates with me well and I come at them just as hard as I do regular posters. You can see why they were chosen to run this board because they don't let some differing opinion on football from an average fan cause them to lose their cool. There's a few posters I can go several pages with and they walk away calm, cool, collected and unflustered while some storm away broken bitter men. The butt hurt patrol I have following me around is pretty amusing. It's not hard to tell whose feelings I've hurt they all come together for a group cry after every post I submit. LOL I don't like blocking posters but I have no choice due to the rules on this board. I tried for awhile just ignoring posters but their alerts became annoying as well as their attempts to lure me into flame wars. Any exchanging of jabs led to the peace maker stepping in as well as other mods so I had to start crossing the haters out. You're not nearly as bad as some but you've had a number of issues with my views over the past year that have caused you to cross the line.

Once that becomes a pattern with someone it's time to cut ties and move on because it will just lead to trouble. It doesn't take any cleverness or intelligence to call someone an idiot. I'm not referring to you I've never seen you sink to that level but obviously some do and I usually manage to cross paths with them. lol Anyway enough said hate on if you so choose.

 

[rpntex]

They want him to play, he doesn't have to, that is the definition of leverage.

Dez wants to make money. If he doesn't play, he makes ZERO. If a new deal isn't signed by July 15, he plays for $12.8m or not at all. There is no further negotiating after July 15 until the season is over.

THAT is leverage, and the Cowboys have it.

 

[rpntex]

No because he is technically not under contract. Dez can sit at home with the tag in front of him, watch Dallas play football for 10 weeks then sign it and still collect $13mil.

Even worse...he can do this for two seasons back to back. Those are years that Romo can't afford to not compete for a title so it puts the Jones family in a quandary if you ask me.

That is incorrect. If he holds out, he forfeits a weekly game check (1/17 of that $12.8m) for each game. In order for him to be paid for games missed, he has to have signed the tender, then miss for reasons of injury or paid suspension.

 

[rpntex]

Im not doubting you, but why have i never heard of a player using that tactic? Since they all hate the tag?

Because it's inaccurate. The tag is "guaranteed" as it pertains to a player being released and still earning his full salary.

 

[FLcowboy]

Well I've been one of Dez's biggest supporters but if he does this than I'm done with him. I don't care how great of a WR he is. We haven't won anything with him so far.

I agree with you. While Dez's contribution as a receiver are catching a few balls a game, or being a decoy, or blocking down field, he's not the most valuable player on the team. Let him sit out for the whole year, and we'll see what he does in 2016.

 

[VACowboy]

I've already said I don't think Dez will get $17 million. That's just a negotiating price.

I know. I just think the idea that "these players give up their bodies and deserve whatever they can get" has a limit. Despite what you hear a lot in the media, to the owners, negotiating player contracts in the NFL isn't about paying them less so you get to keep more. It's about keeping the price for player A at a level that allows you to also pay for players B, C and D and stay under the salary cap. The battle over who gets to keep which amount of a team's income was decided when the CBA was signed. So, when a guy like Dez skips mandatory workouts and threatens to miss games unless he gets what he wants, it says to me he doesn't mind hurting the team to get 17 million dollars instead of 13.

Now, I have no idea what is actually being said in the negotiations, but from what the media is reporting and what Tom Condon is saying all over the place, it sounds like Dez is A) getting really crappy advice, or B) being really stupid.

 

[Alexander]

Now, I have no idea what is actually being said in the negotiations, but from what the media is reporting and what Tom Condon is saying all over the place, it sounds like Dez is A) getting really crappy advice, or B) being really stupid.

Or C) this is what a good agent does for a high profile player like Bryant. It is all part of the dance.

Of the four WRs jockeying to break the bank, he clearly has the higher profile and even value to his team. You do not see management and players talking about Green, Thomas and Jones in the same kind of terms. They are using that profile to what they think is their advantage.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Once July 15th arrives, his position is cast in stone. Sign the tag or sit out. To sit out one game he loses 800K. To sit out 10 games he loses most of the 12 mill the tag pays, but he does get a year counted by the league.

Sign the tag, get tagged again. Make about 28 guaranteed for two years and then hit the open market as the highest paid receiver ever. Take out an insurance policy to CYA.

Condon has to be advising this or Dez is not getting his money's worth. There is no upside holding out.

 

[iceberg]

Once July 15th arrives, his position is cast in stone. Sign the tag or sit out. To sit out one game he loses 800K. To sit out 10 games he loses most of the 12 mill the tag pays, but he does get a year counted by the league.

Sign the tag, get tagged again. Make about 28 guaranteed for two years and then hit the open market as the highest paid receiver ever. Take out an insurance policy to CYA.

Condon has to be advising this or Dez is not getting his money's worth. There is no upside holding out.

and i don't believe for a minute he will. i just don't. we knew when they put the tag on it would come to this and now we're here and people are crying, trading, whining, and in the middle of all that you find nuggets of common sense, such as this. his sitting out will cost him the very thing he's after, money and security.

well that's 2 things, isn't it?

i'm such a renegade.

dez also wants to win and win NOW. he knows we're set and he knows we have a window. he's just doing what he has to do to get the best contract he can, as any single one of us would. you can already pretend you know the outcome and the reasons why and start up some TRADE THE BUM threads, or you can just realize this has become part of the game in as much as picking up that critical 3rd down or taking money from the military for some jap attack advertising.

just the game today.

 

[VACowboy]

Or C) this is what a good agent does for a high profile player like Bryant. It is all part of the dance.

Of the four WRs jockeying to break the bank, he clearly has the higher profile and even value to his team. You do not see management and players talking about Green, Thomas and Jones in the same kind of terms. They are using that profile to what they think is their advantage.

Maybe so, but Dez is high profile because he's a Dallas Cowboy. Well, that and all the stupid screwy little off the field crap the media made a big deal about early on. I don't see how playing for the Dallas Cowboys or being immature means Dez deserves more money. And it certainly doesn't change my opinion. The idea that Condon would advise Dez to skip games if he doesn't get three or four more million dollars than the Cowboys are offering when it's the difference between $17 and $13 just blows my mind. As far as Dez's value to the Cowboys relative to the rest of the the receivers in the league to theirs, I'm not sure we know. I am sure about one thing, though: It looks like we're about to find out.

At one point Dez said he'd take less money to stay in Dallas, then he evidently got his feelings hurt over a contract offer. Which begs two questions in my mind: 1) Why is it different for the Cowboys to start low than it is for Dez to start high? And 2) By all reports, Dez loves football and wants to be a Cowboy. Is threatening to miss games Dez's idea or Condon's? This just seems to be a lot about ego stroking to me.

 

[VACowboy]

and i don't believe for a minute he will. i just don't. we knew when they put the tag on it would come to this and now we're here and people are crying, trading, whining, and in the middle of all that you find nuggets of common sense, such as this. his sitting out will cost him the very thing he's after, money and security.

well that's 2 things, isn't it?

i'm such a renegade.

dez also wants to win and win NOW. he knows we're set and he knows we have a window. he's just doing what he has to do to get the best contract he can, as any single one of us would. you can already pretend you know the outcome and the reasons why and start up some TRADE THE BUM threads, or you can just realize this has become part of the game in as much as picking up that critical 3rd down or taking money from the military for some jap attack advertising.

just the game today.

You're probably right. This is just how it works. It doesn't surprise me at all that a majority of fans continue to side with teams on this issue, though, especially in case like Dez's. We're talking about a guy threatening to miss regular season games over three or four more million dollars when the team is offering 12 or 13. In my mind, if Dez wanted to win and win now, he'd be satisfied with more money than most people ever dream of (including a vast majority of NFL players) and be in camp getting ready for the season instead of threatening not to be there when the season starts.

I don't think Dez will miss games either, but threatening to do so gets him nothing and certainly doesn't make the team any better. How does this make Condon a "good agent?"

How much money does it take to be secure, anyway?

 

[cowboyblue22]

dez is not concerned about winning now the only thing he is concerned about is his money he will play for whoever pays the most money like 99 percent of nfl players will I hate when player talk about how they want to be a cowboy and then whens it contract time its every man for him self murry did the same thing you see where he is at its not about winning or the team its about the money like scandrick said yesterday in his interview its a job nothing more nothing less

 

[big dog cowboy]

dez is not concerned about winning now

Not many are going to agree with that. Not when you see the passion that man has for the game.

 

[tyke1doe]

I know. I just think the idea that "these players give up their bodies and deserve whatever they can get" has a limit. Despite what you hear a lot in the media, to the owners, negotiating player contracts in the NFL isn't about paying them less so you get to keep more. It's about keeping the price for player A at a level that allows you to also pay for players B, C and D and stay under the salary cap. The battle over who gets to keep which amount of a team's income was decided when the CBA was signed. So, when a guy like Dez skips mandatory workouts and threatens to miss games unless he gets what he wants, it says to me he doesn't mind hurting the team to get 17 million dollars instead of 13.

Now, I have no idea what is actually being said in the negotiations, but from what the media is reporting and what Tom Condon is saying all over the place, it sounds like Dez is A) getting really crappy advice, or B) being really stupid.

But when revenue is continually increasing, and the marketability of a star player contributes to that, I can see why the player would want more money. Yes, there should be a balance. But I can't fault a player wanting to be paid what he's worth, or at least asking for it.

Nevertheless, I doubt Dez sits out. I believe the Cowboys and his team will work out any divides with respect to his salary.

I'm not ready to push the panic button. Heck, my fingers aren't even hovering over it.

 

[cowboyblue22]

the cowboys have about two years to compete for a super bowl this and one more then romo will be in huge decline so yes once romo is done the rest don't matter because without a qb you are not going to win.

 

[Doomsday101]

the cowboys have about two years to compete for a super bowl this and one more then romo will be in huge decline so yes once romo is done the rest don't matter because without a qb you are not going to win.

Maybe. Maybe not. We don't know who may be here in 2 years to play QB in the meantime any QB who takes over for Romo will need the help and support of the other players on offense. I don't expect a young QB to come in and carry the team but if you put a good team around a young QB you have a chance. Ask the Seahawks and Russell Wilson. The fact he has a solid team around him he is not forced to carry the Seahawks. I think players have windows I think teams make their own windows by the choices and how they conduct business and in maintaining an overall talented team

 

[tyke1doe]

....

I checked the two links you provided, and no where in either link did I address you, much less attack you.

Did you mean someone else?

Don't you think you owe me an apology?

 

[tyke1doe]

Hope, and optimism is a good thing. Something every FAN should have. My God, I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with you.

Predicting wins and losses from the comfort of a computer isn't exactly like being in a foxhole. I guess you would know that better than anyone.