Dez tweet today

[gmoney112]

No, but as a pro athlete living and working in TX Dez will see a higher % of his money than McCutchen will.

No kidding. Also ask any independent contractor making a decent wage if they feel sorry for how much these guys are paying in taxes.

 

[xwalker]

Well yes.... When your opening offer comes in at Mike Wallace one would hope so.

And again if we want to compare apples to apples we should really look at what those deal when signed represented as a percent of the cap.

Even that is confusing because Wallace was traded to the Vikings and they are paying him 9.8M this year and his average with them will be 10.9M. He was traded away in part because the determined they overpaid him. It is odd to use a known "overpaid" contract as the basis for negotiation.

Wallace signed that contract in 2013. The 2013 cap was 123M and the 2015 cap is about 143M for a difference of about 20M and 20M is about 14% of 143M.

Apply a 14% increase to 12M and you get 13.68M.

More recent contracts were lower. Nelson signed for 9.7M average in 2014. Nelson was 4th in yards in 2015 while Dez was 8th. Nelson had more catches for a better average in 2015 than Dez.

To me, it comes back to the Franchise Tag. Teams have no incentive to give a player more on average in a contract than the Franchise Tag amount unless that team is desperate for immediate cap space.

 

[Idgit]

99% of people do not have people forking over big $$ to watch you catch a ball either. People always fall into the trap of comparing pro athletes with the guys working at Carl's Jr.

That's not a trap. When you compare his $13M payday for the coming season to what a guy makes working at Carls Jr during that time, the complaining about the money makes Dez look bad, and it makes him look bad *because* the people who are reading it don't have people forking over big money to watch them catch balls.

It's not that Dez doesn't deserve more than $13M guaranteed, because he does. It's that suggesting that publicly is a bad public relations move.

It's like when a girl asks you if her butt looks fat in those pants. Of course her butt looks fat, she's got a giant butt. But you don't say that publicly because it's bad PR. You tell her in your opinion the pants aren't tight enough to flatter her appropriately, because you've been there and you've made that mistake before. But really you're thinking 'yeah, your butt is really fat.' If you say what you're really thinking, you're not going to get your contract extended. You might not even get your tender signed. You're better off just not taking the PR hit.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Before the corny comments ensue, I'd like to remind people this is a BUSINESS. Just because you'd take $13 million in a heartbeat doesn't mean Dez should. He has every right to maximize his value and financial security for his family.

He has every right to maximize his value, period, as should everyone. But he (and all other top athletes) has to give up on the idea that he can win hearts and minds with the "security for my family" argument. It's simply not going to happen: the vast majority of people cannot relate to the numbers being talked about here, and will resent any implication that the athlete "can't get by" or "can't support his family" on a few million dollars a year.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I don't have a problem with guaranteed money, but there is not a player in the NFL worth 17 mill per year IMO. 13 mill per year max,

People here can talk ALL they want about how this is a business, he is just trying to get his share blah blah blah . If he wants more than that, he can take his business somewhere else

 

[Wood]

maybe Dez can write book on how you too can live on measly $13 mill just for starters.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

I don't get why ppl think he should cave. If I was dez, I'd want the check too, he EARNED it

 

[Zman5]

That's not a trap. When you compare his $13M payday for the coming season to what a guy makes working at Carls Jr during that time, the complaining about the money makes Dez look bad, and it makes him look bad *because* the people who are reading it don't have people forking over big money to watch them catch balls.

It's not that Dez doesn't deserve more than $13M guaranteed, because he does. It's that suggesting that publicly is a bad public relations move.

It's like when a girl asks you if her butt looks fat in those pants. Of course her butt looks fat, she's got a giant butt. But you don't say that publicly because it's bad PR. You tell her in your opinion the pants aren't tight enough to flatter her appropriately, because you've been there and you've made that mistake before. But really you're thinking 'yeah, your butt is really fat.' If you say what you're really thinking, you're not going to get your contract extended. You might not even get your tender signed. You're better off just not taking the PR hit.

 

[Zman5]

If you had a painting worth $40 million and someone offer you $10 million for it, would you say "Well that's more than what most people make in a life time" and sell it for $10 million?

I highly doubt it.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

eventually he'll get close to what he wants..they will compromise & Jerry will probably pass the cost of all the zillion dollar contracts off on the fans.

I'm never surprised when I read about ex athletes going belly up after football...so many go thru all their millions.

 

[TheDude]

Surprised Dez' agent hasn't clamped down on the social media stuff. More surprised that this is the angle they went with on this one. Saying '$13M is fine, but where's my security' is not exactly the way to endear yourself to the common man.

I cant think of one statement the common man is going to support from Dez about anything north of $13M. I imagine he gets tired of hearing the criticism about "You're selfish, you're hurting the team, etc", but you cant go public. Its worked better for Brady styaing silent

 

[ghst187]

FOUR WORDS: STATE INCOME TAX FREE!!

 

[JDSmith]

As a person who just came home from working on his hands and knees for 10 hours installing tile I look at something like that and can't help but think,"Shut the hell up Dez."

I understand that he wants a contract that is commensurate with the market value, and I don't in any way begrudge him making as much as he can, but as soon as he makes a statement about his 'security' he sounds like an imbecile to anyone who has to actually work for a living. 13 million IS security for anyone who's not a complete moron.

 

[xwalker]

Exactly, Dez has been idolized and told he is wonderful etc since high school and this is the first time fans are saying negative things about him.
He is used to 100,000 fans cheering him so this negative feedback now is bothering him.
I imagine he is getting tweets about it.
He probably expected all fans to be in his corner on this lol.

The main problem with being franchised is if your injured and it is career ending injury, or lessens your ability to play the same, if that happens
Then the player is screwed compared to if he had a contract with 20 or more mil guaranteed.

If he plays this year and no injuries then it is ok, but there is the possibility of serious injury so that is the flaw of franchise tag.

What could correct this is if they had a clause saying if the player is injured and it ends his career or lessens his ability's, then he gets paid
a bonus of 30 mil that isnt on the teams cap. This could even be a insurance deal.
That way the player doesnt have to worry about being injured and only getting the tag salary for that year.

He can pay for insurance himself. Some players in this situation do.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Even that is confusing because Wallace was traded to the Vikings and they are paying him 9.8M this year and his average with them will be 10.9M. He was traded away in part because the determined they overpaid him. It is odd to use a known "overpaid" contract as the basis for negotiation.

Wallace signed that contract in 2013. The 2013 cap was 123M and the 2015 cap is about 143M for a difference of about 20M and 20M is about 14% of 143M.

Apply a 14% increase to 12M and you get 13.68M.

More recent contracts were lower. Nelson signed for 9.7M average in 2014. Nelson was 4th in yards in 2015 while Dez was 8th. Nelson had more catches for a better average in 2015 than Dez.

To me, it comes back to the Franchise Tag. Teams have no incentive to give a player more on average in a contract than the Franchise Tag amount unless that team is desperate for immediate cap space.

I don't understand why people do that with guys like Nelson. Compare their yardage or average. What point are people trying to prove? Do you think Nelson is better than Dez? Were their circumstances the same?

Furthermore many things went into Wallace being traded away.

 

[Rogah]

5% is a pretty generous rate to assume consistently

No it isn't. If we are talking about a long term investment (like the 50-year hypothetical I was responding to) 5% is very low. The average rate of return on the stock market over long periods of time is remarkably close to 7%.

Also assuming he can simply put all that money in the bank and not have any expenses is foolish as well.

Of course he would have expenses - and he would have $390,000 per year to pay those expenses.

 

[Bungarian]

That's not a trap. When you compare his $13M payday for the coming season to what a guy makes working at Carls Jr during that time, the complaining about the money makes Dez look bad, and it makes him look bad *because* the people who are reading it don't have people forking over big money to watch them catch balls.

It's not that Dez doesn't deserve more than $13M guaranteed, because he does. It's that suggesting that publicly is a bad public relations move.

It's like when a girl asks you if her butt looks fat in those pants. Of course her butt looks fat, she's got a giant butt. But you don't say that publicly because it's bad PR. You tell her in your opinion the pants aren't tight enough to flatter her appropriately, because you've been there and you've made that mistake before. But really you're thinking 'yeah, your butt is really fat.' If you say what you're really thinking, you're not going to get your contract extended. You might not even get your tender signed. You're better off just not taking the PR hit.

You girl has a fat ***?

 

[FLCowboyFan]

I just hope he realizes that we need $'s to pay others to have a super bowl worthy team. I see a ton of people saying that he deserves to be paid but there is a salary cap. On twitter people were acting like Jones is keeping the money if they don't pay it to Dez. I think Jerry would pay him whatever he needed to if there wasn't a salary cap. The problem is that there is! Everyone hates dead $ on the cap but paying huge guaranteed contracts if how you get to that point. I love Dez and want him locked up ASAP but we have to be able to have a team around him. He won't win a super bowl by himself!

 

[coult44]

Did anybody here read Dez twitter, or are you just regurgitating what was said. If you did, you know he retweeted a girl this afternoon clearing up his thoughts. It's all about the amount of years in the deal and guaranteed money. Doesn't have anything to do with amount per year.

 

[Jeffkills]

Dez really needs to **** before people start souring on his greedy BS...

Looking down his nose at $13M really makes me lose respect for the guy.

I thought he was a Cowboy first and foremost. Clearly he wants to get paid, and that's only natural, but seriously, he needs to quit *****ing like anyone can really symathize with his BS... If money rules his passion for the game, then he should keep it to himself because he just comes off like an *******...