Dez tweet today

[Frosty]

Again I don't understand why people don't listen to the Joneses. Stephen already addressed why a new deal hadn't been agreed to. Dallas doesn't want to be paying a older wr big money. They don't want to have the Fitzgerald problems. I see Dallas franchising him for 2 yrs. Dallas is young they have a couple of older players who could be out in a couple yrs. Witten and Romo. They seem to be on a new system where they aren't going to keep players longer then they should. It's smart business by the team.

Can you say that again so it make sense to everyone....LOL....think all these young cowboy fans want to manage the salary cap with Monopoly money...
How many NFL teams have won a SuperBowl with a $100Mil WR.....it comes down to one simple question...do you want to pay the players or want the Cowboys to win a SuperBowl..... its been almost 20 years since the Cowboys have won a Superbowl......where were you at in 1995. How many CZ fans even remember the Dave Campo Cowboys....or even no who Barry Switzer is

 

[xwalker]

I don't understand why people do that with guys like Nelson. Compare their yardage or average. What point are people trying to prove? Do you think Nelson is better than Dez? Were their circumstances the same?

Furthermore many things went into Wallace being traded away.

I watch all of Green Bay's games. Nelson is a terrific player. Value is about results, not althletic highlight plays.

 

[Bullflop]

That's not the point.

He's top 3 (I'd say #1) WR.

He deserves to be compensated for it.

What if you were the best at your job in your company, but were getting paid significantly less than your colleagues?

Wouldn't you be asking for more money? Get a new job, maybe?

He deserves to be compensated but not to the tune of 17 mil as has been reported. In my opinion, he's not the #1 wideout as compared to Fitzgerald and Megatron. Having said that, I believe Dez and the FO will work it out.

 

[CF74]

After Dez's tweet today and hearing Jerry speaking about the subject I've come to the conclusion that we have all been duped, again.. What?

Yeah this whole thing is a charade to keep the product (Cowboys) relevant and in the news during the offseason..

In other words it's about Marketing, it's about $$$$$, and it's about building a climactic ending..

Jerry will sign Dez at the last minute and all this hooplah will be another blip in the rear view mirror..

In another thread I suggested Dez would get 15 per but I'm thinking maybe closer to 13.5 or 14 with about 38-45 guaranteed on a 5-7 year deal. I still believe he's worth every bit of 17 per to the Dallas Cowboys but Dez just wants a little more security in a long term deal with a guaranteed sum so he will settle for a little less, there's your home team discount.

I don't completely understand the cap but from what I've read it's cheaper cap-wise to sign a player long term than it is to Tag them. Furthermore it's better to use "House Money" vs paying up front out of your own pocket because the Cap goes up every year anyways.

14, 15, or 17 won't seem like much it about 2-3 years as the new crop signs their deals down the road.

While rolling it fwd has its risks, some rare talents are worth it and Dez is clearly a Top tier talent in this league.. We are too damn close to take a step backwards and Jerry knows this better than anyone, Dez will get his deal...

 

[AdamJT13]

People look at 13m and say why is he complaining?

But what if your talent was worth 40m at the sign of a pen but you were only getting 13m? I'm sure you'd be miffed.

Or how about if your colleagues who are worse than you are were making 100k a year but your employer was giving you 33k. You wouldn't complain because there are some people on food stamps?

Stop it.

Slight difference between $33,000 and $13 million.

And there are no wide receivers making or worth $40 million per year.

 

[Fletch]

Normally I wouldn't, but just for today, I'll make the exception. Just shut up Dez!

 

[Eric_Boyer]

If you don't enjoy it, why do you watch?

reading comprehension is apparently not your strong suit.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Before the corny comments ensue, I'd like to remind people this is a BUSINESS. Just because you'd take $13 million in a heartbeat doesn't mean Dez should. He has every right to maximize his value and financial security for his family.

Yes he does.

But please dont insult me claiming 13 million is not enough to secure your family. While pruchasing 100k dollar cars and mansions.....Just be straight up about it.


I want as much money as I possibly can get, because.....well, just because. And I dont concern myself with anything else.

Super Bowl is the goal, but not at my expense....

 

[AbeBeta]

Buying a house is not an expense. It is a transfer of assets from one form (cash) to another form (property). Your net worth has remained the same.
Sorry, but you're mistaken. When you are talking about long term investing, predicting average rates of return is incredibly accurate. History is 100% on my side here.

I can't promise you I can do 7% in the next year, but I can safely promise you I can do an annual rate of 7% over the next 20 years.

You have no idea what you are saying. You can easily say "this is the average return." That doesn't mean everyone sees that return - even over 20 years. There is substantial variability in return over 20 years .

I sure hope you aren't involved in financial advising because you speak untruths

 

[AbeBeta]

He would lose 7.5m with that plan

And his franchise tag wouldn't go up next year because his cap hit would be 5.3m and the formula for the second tagged year is 120%of his cap hit or the WR tag, whichever is higher. The WR tag may actually go down from 12.8m next year.

Not correct. He'd be eligible for his average annual salary or average of top 5 + 20%

 

[Zman5]

Here's a better analogy. You're the curator of a museum and you have a budget of $150 million. There is a painting you want and the owner is demanding $20 million. However, due to a previous contractual agreement already in place, he is obligated to sell it to you for $13 million if you so choose.

He says "pay me what the painting is worth!" Do you give him $20 million or do you give him $13 million?

That's fine and I 'm not disagreeing with what Jerry and the Cowboy FO is doing.

My analogy was to the people complaining about Dez for asking more money than what the rest of the average Americans make in their life time. That's as bad as complaining about Jerry for not paying Dez what the average top baseball player or basketball players make in their life time.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

You have no idea what you are saying. You can easily say "this is the average return." That doesn't mean everyone sees that return - even over 20 years. There is substantial variability in return over 20 years .

I sure hope you aren't involved in financial advising because you speak untruths

Hope he doesnt argue this point for 4 + months . . . . . . but the more wrong the point, the more digging in . . .

 

[sillycon]

Reminds me of the NBA player, Latrell Sprewell...

"Sprewell's career came to an unexpected end in 2005 when he refused a $27-million three-year contract offer from the Timberwolves, which he implied would not be enough to feed his children. Since that time, he has made headlines for grounding his million dollar yacht, having two of his homes foreclosed upon, and being prohibited from seeing his children"

It's not the maximizing value @BoysFan4ever is taking issue with, if I read her correctly. It's the "family1" hashtag.

If Dez believes he's worth that much, fine. But dragging his family in it as if he/they are going to be struggling if he takes a paltry $13 million is laughable.

I think people are like, "Please stop insulting our intelligence when many people have a family of father, mother and children and make wwwaaayyy fewer dollars than $13 million a year."

When many high-priced athletes say it's about taking care of their families in an attempt to squeeze out a few more million dollars, it comes across as disingenuous.

 

[AbeBeta]

Hope he doesnt argue this point for 4 + months . . . . . . but the more wrong the point, the more digging in . . .

Me too. One of the saddest failures in critical thinking/statistical thinking is the belief that averages apply to everyone.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Me too. One of the saddest failures in critical thinking/statistical thinking is the belief that averages apply to everyone.

Well, common sense would tell you that NOBODY can guarantee a 7% return for 20 yrs. Even past history, at best suggests the possibility, but doesnt promise it.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Slight difference between $33,000 and $13 million.

And there are no wide receivers making or worth $40 million per year.

Where did you get 40m per year from?

And there is a big difference between earning 33k vs 13m. It's called world class talent.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I watch all of Green Bay's games. Nelson is a terrific player. Value is about results, not althletic highlight plays.

I didn't ask you if Nelson was a terrific player. He is.

Now please answer my question.

 

[Nightman]

Not correct. He'd be eligible for his average annual salary or average of top 5 + 20%

I'm pretty sure it's 120% of his salary(cap hit) or the avg of the top 5(not 120% of the avg) whichever is higher.

That is why Hardy wanted the 'no franchise' clause. He would be reset back to the top 5 of DEs instead of 120% of 13.1m because of the suspension.

 

[Nightman]

Where did you get 40m per year from?

And there is a big difference between earning 33k vs 13m. It's called world class talent.

People are comparing the 13m he gets this year with the 40m he wants to be guaranteed.

They are acting like he won't make another dollar after 2015 if he doesn't get it fully guaranteed this year.

Your analogy about earning 100k vs 33k is bogus. It would be like your idiot coworkers being guaranteed a 3 year contract worth 100k tops and you being told you will make 33k, 40k, and 57k the next 3 years but you have to earn year to year.

 

[Nightman]

Reminds me of the NBA player, Latrell Sprewell...

"Sprewell's career came to an unexpected end in 2005 when he refused a $27-million three-year contract offer from the Timberwolves, which he implied would not be enough to feed his children. Since that time, he has made headlines for grounding his million dollar yacht, having two of his homes foreclosed upon, and being prohibited from seeing his children"

If Dez does what he is supposed to do he will make 45-60m over the next 4-5 years.

Have a little faith in yourself if you are as good as you say you are. TSmith did.